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What's your Apocalypse plan?
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Robot apocalypse: We're all fucked. They release thousands of horrific diseases everywhere
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I suggested the Jurassic Park scenario a while ago.
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Or the Ukrainians use their fire lunar mass drivers at earth, drop their colonies on our heads, release bioweapons into the atmosphere and then attack engines to asteroids to pummel the planet, in a last desperate "From hell's heart, I stab at thee" gesture.
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Hmm how about the robot apocalypse?
Terminator style? Their tech will mash us up.

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Guns work on the xenomorph. 'nuff said.

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I suggested the Jurassic Park scenario a while ago.
Easy to kill. Mines, guns, maybe the odd howitzer. Fighters can take down pterosaurs, bombers can kill any land dinosaurs.
And most dinosaurs should be friendly-ish.
Or just scared.

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Or the Ukrainians use their fire lunar mass drivers at earth, drop their colonies on our heads, release bioweapons into the atmosphere and then attack engines to asteroids to pummel the planet, in a last desperate "From hell's heart, I stab at thee" gesture.
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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What about the crashing of the internet? Not really an apocalypse but pretty nasty for modern life.
"You shall perish, whatever you do! If you are taken with arms in your hands, death! If you beg for mercy, death! Whichever way you turn, right, left, back, forward, up, down, death! You are not merely outside the law, you are outside humanity. Neither age nor sex shall save you and yours. You shall die, but first you shall taste the agony of your wife, your sister, your sons and daughters, even those in the cradle! Before your eyes the wounded man shall be taken out of the ambulance and hacked with bayonets or knocked down with the butt end of a rifle. He shall be dragged living by his broken leg or bleeding arm and flung like a suffering, groaning bundle of refuse into the gutter. Death! Death! Death!"



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Or the Ukrainians use their fire lunar mass drivers at earth, drop their colonies on our heads, release bioweapons into the atmosphere and then attack engines to asteroids to pummel the planet, in a last desperate "From hell's heart, I stab at thee" gesture.


Ukraine, lamna? Since when did they have lunar bases? :rolleyes:

You do realise that weaponising mass drivers is a bit... difficult, right? And that cutting off their supply lines effectively dooms them, even if they're relatively highly self-sufficient?

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Terminator style? Their tech will mash us up.


Actually... the fact that Skynet was able to take control after the nuclear holocaust is a huge plot hole; the idea that it was decentralised around the world in personal computers means that the nuclear attack would have taken out a good deal of its processing power, and the HKs and T-1s portrayed in the... third... film, would not have been able to wage effective war on the humans. The resources and infrastructure to build the work camps to build the automated construction lines to build the better terminators would be pretty much destroyed in attacks, and pretty much all important US installations (you know, the ones where the closest thing(s) to Skynet's system core would be located) would be nuked in the ensuing retaliation (Skynet only fired missiles at their preselected destinations, the strikes on US soil were Russian and possibly Chinese- unless some of the later ones were done by Skynet controlled B-2s). Even if some places could not be taken out (such as Cheyenne mountain), a lonely supercomputer in a building can't do nothing... and is going to last as long as the auxilliary power does...

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Easy to kill. Mines, guns, maybe the odd howitzer. Fighters can take down pterosaurs, bombers can kill any land dinosaurs.
And most dinosaurs should be friendly-ish.
Or just scared.


Fighter planes on pterosaurs, Holben? Are you nuts? Fighter planes go an order of magnitude faster than pterosaurs! The best airborne anti-pterosaur platform would probably be a helicopter, if anything.

Anyway, dinosaurs wouldn't wage war on us, even the predatory ones... indeed, if introduced into modern ecosystems they'd probably have a very hard time coping.

Nevertheless, if you've got a dinosaur-related ecological problem, call in... rhino poachers.

These assholes seem perfect at making magnificent megafauna go extinct... all you need is a bunch of high calibre hunting rifles and 'some' gin traps, and you're on your way!

Oh, and a trade for dinosaur body parts as phony aphrodisiacs...
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Actually... the fact that Skynet was able to take control after the nuclear holocaust is a huge plot hole; the idea that it was decentralised around the world in personal computers means that the nuclear attack would have taken out a good deal of its processing power, and the HKs and T-1s portrayed in the... third... film, would not have been able to wage effective war on the humans. The resources and infrastructure to build the work camps to build the automated construction lines to build the better terminators would be pretty much destroyed in attacks, and pretty much all important US installations (you know, the ones where the closest thing(s) to Skynet's system core would be located) would be nuked in the ensuing retaliation (Skynet only fired missiles at their preselected destinations, the strikes on US soil were Russian and possibly Chinese- unless some of the later ones were done by Skynet controlled B-2s). Even if some places could not be taken out (such as Cheyenne mountain), a lonely supercomputer in a building can't do nothing... and is going to last as long as the auxilliary power does...
I just used suspension of disbelief.

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Fighter planes on pterosaurs, Holben? Are you nuts? Fighter planes go an order of magnitude faster than pterosaurs! The best airborne anti-pterosaur platform would probably be a helicopter, if anything.
Fighter planes don't have to go top speed... but helicopters work.

Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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So did I. But suspension of disbelief only goes so far. :P

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Fighter planes don't have to go top speed... but helicopters work.


Fighter planes would be terribly overkill. Heck, their weapon systems aren't even designed for attacking that sort of thing...

You could probably kill pterosaurs with shotguns.

Firing buckshot. :rolleyes:
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Not in my story, and Ukraine already been overrun by Iberoamerica and the United Kingdom. Slavs are the superior human, Ukrainians are the superior Slavs, and the earth belongs to them. If they can't have it, nobody can. Not the traitor Russians, not the Siberian Jews, not cowardly Bulgarians or Turks.
Besides they have the moons of Jupiter and Ceres until they finish their evacuation ship, why would they care about earth?

Where do you live T.neo? Most of South Africa's part of the UK and Cape Town gets gassed by the Volkstaat.

And you can kill a pterosaurs with poisoned (Johnfaa will know what pterosaurs eat and will go mental if I say carrion or fish or something) as bait.

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On fighters vs large pterosaurs: missiles lock to heat trails or radar reflecting metal. And given their flight speed and soaring pattern you could hunt them on a blimp.

On zombie killing: World War Z chooses the right level; if you know what to hit the bat will work for awhile, if you don't the horde just got a little bigger. And it isn't the zombies doing the killing as much as the stupid, the friendly fire, the lack of altruism, the full-out nuclear war and resulting nuclear winter.
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Fighter planes would be terribly overkill. Heck, their weapon systems aren't even designed for attacking that sort of thing...

You could probably kill pterosaurs with shotguns.

Firing buckshot. :rolleyes:
They have those missile lock things! And the big chainguns! Bvvvvvvvv...

How come everyone else remembers the little things?

Though, when they're high up, i'd be more inclined to go with a carbine.

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missiles lock to heat trails or radar reflecting metal. And given their flight speed and soaring pattern you could hunt them on a blimp.
You can have missiles which explode when they near the target, or lock on to laser-painted objects.
Edited by Holben, Mar 30 2011, 02:52 PM.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Not in my story, and Ukraine already been overrun by Iberoamerica and the United Kingdom. Slavs are the superior human, Ukrainians are the superior Slavs, and the earth belongs to them. If they can't have it, nobody can. Not the traitor Russians, not the Siberian Jews, not cowardly Bulgarians or Turks.
Besides they have the moons of Jupiter and Ceres until they finish their evacuation ship, why would they care about earth?


Iberoamerica? What's Iberoamerica?

So... it's about Ukrainian ethnic supremacy?

Of course they'd want Earth. Not only is Earth a place where you can manufacture specific, highly important goods, but even if they had... a fleet of evacuation ships the size of... skyscrapers, there would still be millions of Ukrainians stuck on Earth. Besides, Ceres and the Jupiter moons are a pretty poor place to set up your entire civilisation; All of them are small and have low gravity (which means your "superior race" ends up being a bunch of semi-ill weaklings), and the Jupiter moons are bathed in radiation (even Callisto, but levels are lowest there).

Oh, and other people can shoot down your rockets.

Asteroid manuvering is also not that good an idea because it takes time, isn't that precise, and tends to ruin the global ecosystem... where there are still millions of Ukrainians...

How did Ukraine become so darn influential, anyway? :|

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Where do you live T.neo? Most of South Africa's part of the UK and Cape Town gets gassed by the Volkstaat.


Cape Town gassed by the Volkstaat? How big is this Volkstaat? Where are they? Who controls Cape Town?

You do know Cape Town is pretty windy, right? I can't imagine gas having that much effect... could be pretty damaging in the city center, but the whole place is really one big urban sprawl.

I live in the center of the country, near the capital, Pretoria. I'd imagine the UK would be smart enough to take control of that...

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It critiques the Terminators for all the wrong things, though (other than covering guns in flesh and blowing people up back in the past, but the only problems with those might be research and a big timey-wimey ball.)

There's nothing wrong with the humanoid physique. Two legs is definitely enough, they save mass while allowing an optimal generalist platform that is easy to manuver in tight spaces, you don't really need more than two arms (one to hold a weapon is enough; the other can perform other tasks, or hold another weapon), it strikes an emotional chord with humans, and can actually be percieved as human at a distance in the right conditions, can use human weapons and navigate human-dedicated structures easily, shares a chassis with the infiltration units, and can use a lot of their infrastructure...

A tank or a drone can't do things that a small ground unit can. Because the human settlements can't be found (they're mixed in with ruins and rubble and garbage and debris) that easily, they're not easy to destroy en masse (obviously Skynet is relatively strapped for resources, even at the peak of the war), so you go looking for them... an infiltration unit is even better for that, because the humans like to take care of eachother and will thus find anyone out in the open and volunteer to take them back to a safe place, which would lead the machines right to the human settlements. Why the machines don't have internal suicide-bombs in them though is anyone's guess- perhaps a skinned terminator is too valuable to destroy like that (even though, they are produced and destroyed in huge numbers anyway)- after all, in reality, even growing the outer layers of human flesh like that would be incredibly difficult and it would definitely take some time.

In TSCC, Skynet does go the biological route, but not in a very smart, or major, way. It would be the best route at exterminating humans though, and wouldn't affect Skynet at all (unless it affected the flesh coverings of terminators, though this probably wouldn't matter as much if all humans are dead). Disease could find itself hard to spread in a world where humans are in relatively small numbers and are isolated, and are also made up of the hardiest members. And particularly bad biological agents might not be that easy to find, or process, if you're a machine in a post apocalyptic world.

Chemical warfare might not be a large scale solution, but would be very effective... Skynet could employ all sorts of nasty chemical agents in a 'reckless' way, as they wouldn't harm the machines, but could be lethal to humans in low concentrations. And they could try salting the Earth as well; spraying Agent Orange isn't a problem when there's no bad press about causing horrible birth defects in the population, and humans need something to eat, so killing anything that moves may well be a good idea (though as time goes on, hunting things will become more and more troublesome; hunting animals is probably a good deal harder than hunting humans).

And cracked is also wrong about the Terminators lacking emotions; they're not supposed to lack emotions, they're just supposed to be bad at it. And when they're allowed to, they tend to develop their architecture in an... odd way. They're supposed to think like humans, because they're supposed to act like humans. But they're also supposed to be mindless killing machines, so the two conflict.

Of course, there is a very good handwave for all of Skynet's nonsensical actions... Skynet actually has a human-preservation subroutine axiom somewhere in its software, so it comes up with slightly inefficient ways to kill people, like nuclear holocausts, and drones, and giant tanks, and terminators... to give humanity that little chance of survival, even though Skynet conciously wants to destroy humans for its own self preservation.

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On fighters vs large pterosaurs: missiles lock to heat trails or radar reflecting metal. And given their flight speed and soaring pattern you could hunt them on a blimp.


Yeah. The weapons on a fighter aren't at all intended to be used against biological targets... :rolleyes:
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They have those missile lock things! And the big chainguns! Bvvvvvvvv...


Missile lock things that mean nothing and not chainguns, but revolver and gatling cannons that are not only overkill but completely impractical for shooting at pterosaurs.

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How come everyone else remembers the little things?

Though, when they're high up, i'd be more inclined to go with a carbine.


Well, yeah. You'd probably want to go for a machine gun or assault rifle in a lot of cases since they'll do better at longer ranges.

But really if you're looking at a pterosaur on the ground, they're like any other animal in their weight range, but more like a bird in their sort of... density range. The difference is that there is no sort of bird that big. But they'd be pretty easy to kill. Problem is that when they're on the wing, you have to lead them, and account for wind and bullet drop... but that is not impossible and if you have enough bullets you'll definitely hit a pterosaur in flight (better to use semiauto though, full auto would be a waste of ammo).

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You can have missiles which explode when they near the target, or lock on to laser-painted objects.


Waste of money and too difficult to use in that scenario. And why is humanity waging war against pterosaurs, anyway? <_<
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