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What's your Apocalypse plan?
Topic Started: Jul 21 2010, 02:23 PM (12,815 Views)
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Feb 13 2011, 04:25 PM
I don't see why China would fair so badly. I mean if you look at the 20th century history of China from the fall of the Qing (and things were pretty rough then) to the end of the Cultural Revolution was pretty apocalyptic. For twelve years the nation was a chaotic mess ruled by warlords, then just as the country started to sort itself out, the communist party and Japan started fighting the ROC. By the time the ROC was forced into Taiwan at least 22 million people had been killed, not counting Japanese, Soviets or American casualties. I can't find any accurate figures on collaborationist Chinese.

Then according to the PRC's own statistics 15 million more died in famine, though it was probably more like 30 million, with some estimates even reaching 45 million.

And half a century later people are panicking about them becoming a superpower. The Chinese would be fine. Well not fine, but they'd come back. China's seen the rise and fall of Roman, the Ottoman and British Empires and is still here. It's going to take more than a few apocalypses to finish China off.
Because officials will lie through their teeth to avoid looking bad intill it is far too late. The PRC is very much hyper populated or near empty; so ether no one will notice or no one will care. 500 random people could die in Beijing without a report on it being written. And an entire village in the west could disappear without anyone noticing for weeks.
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Feb 13 2011, 09:04 PM
Because officials will lie through their teeth to avoid looking bad intill it is far too late. The PRC is very much hyper populated or near empty; so ether no one will notice or no one will care. 500 random people could die in Beijing without a report on it being written. And an entire village in the west could disappear without anyone noticing for weeks.
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[quote author=FallingWhale]Because officials will lie through their teeth to avoid looking bad intill it is far too late. The PRC is very much hyper populated or near empty; so ether no one will notice or no one will care. 500 random people could die in Beijing without a report on it being written. And an entire village in the west could disappear without anyone noticing for weeks.[/quote]

I tend to agree with FallingWhale - PRC China's response to the SARS outbreak was woeful - and started off with complete denial until it was too late - cases in Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore...

Mark my words, Africa, thru bush meat, or Southern China, from eating any animal who's back faces the sun (an expression my Malaysian Chinese boss uses), will cause the next virus species jump...
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Australia isn't that advantagous, if an infection like the one from 28 days later started here it would overrrun the cities in days. our population is literally compacted into three or four cities and we have a very small military and low gun ownerhip.
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Feb 14 2011, 12:41 AM
Australia isn't that advantagous, if an infection like the one from 28 days later started here it would overrrun the cities in days. our population is literally compacted into three or four cities and we have a very small military and low gun ownerhip.
28 Days Later aren't really zombies. During a ZSG style zombie infestation having your population centers 3500 km from each other is good.

Australia's GPC is still .15.
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Why Can't I Hold All These Mongols?

The ones from 28 days later are the only ones that are plausible as far as im concerned
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The ones from 28 days later are the only ones that are plausible as far as im concerned
Then we are all very doomed, until they try to cross deserts.
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we're not doomed, they're just animals basicly.
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Australia sounds good to me, if it needs to it can isolate itself very well. The RAN is a competent and well equipped, and the Army is of very high quality. It's small but then as was pointed out Australia only has 5 cities with more than a million people in them, meaning they can concentrate their efforts on protecting those places. And Canberra I suppose.

Is that place important to Australians? I know it's the capital but does it have any special meaning? It's a artificial capital* like D.C. but I don't know if losing it would be as big a kick to morale as loosing D.C. would be for Americans.

*Artificial capitals are places like Canberra, Washington, Bonn. Unlike natural capitals like London, Paris, Moscow they are not important cities apart from the fact that's where they government is based.
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Personally I couldn't give a shit if Canberra was nuked to kingdom come...

West Australians are a bit wary and suspicious of anything or anyone from east of the dog fence and the rabbit proof fence - me? I was born in Newcastle NSW, lived there, Sydney and Melbourne, they all have the strengths and things that piss me off - I don't have the same chip on my shoulder that some "sandgropers" (Aussie nickname for West Australians) harbour.

When Australia was federated, West Australia was still deciding whether to remain a "colony" of the crown, or to join the rest of Australia. As far as GDP - WA and Perth in particular, because of the resources sector (shipping raw material to China), produce more per capita than any other state, but per capita probably receives less than Sydney and Melbourne back from the Commonwealth - it's true, they're big and loud and brash cities "look at me", the squeaky wheel gets the most oil etc. From time to time, some loud mouth "shock jock" or larrikin politician [usually from the "bush"] will wheel out the "secede from federation" argument

So, by and large, a zombie apocalypse viral outbreak affecting the Eastern seaboard, might cause the dog fence to become the zombie mutant fence - I started developing a comic series many years ago, sort of like Mad Max [the road warrior] with mutants, and there was a Mutant Fence like the Rabbit Fence. Anyway - Perth being the world's most isolated metropolis might escape the fate of Sydney and Melbourne, or otherwise, it could easily be contained if it broke out here.
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I've long thought of Australia of being pretty much cut in half, and the only reason WA federated with the East and New Zealand didn't was that you could build a railway to Perth but not to Wellington. Just build a fence either side of The Ghan and you've split the nation.
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Speaking of neighbors, Australia's pretty lucky with them. Everyones an ally or de facto protectorate aside from Indonesia, and you could probably beat them at sea.

Australia also has a ready supply of meat to harvest from the wild, which is the first thing to happen when things go to hell, hence why Africa's wildlife has suffered so much and why Indochina's so messed up. Lots of Red Kangaroos and Rabbits for people to eat, though rabbits are not very nutritious.

Australia also have native people left, some who still know how to live off the land. That's an advantage we don't really have here in Europe. Certainly not the UK.
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