Shark sophont

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Shark sophont
Topic Started: Jul 1 2010, 10:57 AM (1,252 Views)
Carlos	Jul 1 2010, 10:57 AM Post #1
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Lately, I've been gushing about how smart sharks are. Therefore, why not a shark civilasation?
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Ddraig Goch	Jul 1 2010, 11:02 AM Post #2
Ar hyd y nos Posts: 2,745 Group: Away Staff Member #230 Joined: Sep 27, 2009 Gender: Male Nationality: Welsh Favorite Quote: Vicious things can be amusing - like a shark in a funny hat.	I'm not sure about how plausible that is. Aside from the competition that would prevent them from forming a civilisation (ie humans), they only form loose groups, and generally prefer to hunt alone. Moreover, they have fins, and their mouths are unsuitable for use as a manipulator. There is no particular reason for them to evolve sapience, anyway.
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Carlos	Jul 1 2010, 11:06 AM Post #3
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Social skills can improve over millions of years. And, well, we can get rid of competitors via mass extinction. Now, for sharks to develop manipulators is harder, but not impossible. Our tetrapod ancestors developed their legs while still in the water, turning their fins into paws to make locomotion in vegetation dominated water ways easier. The same could happen to sharks in a similar environment as some modern bottom dwelling sharks kind of already "walk" with their flippers, and then they would just need to figure out how to use their hands as manipulators and its done.
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Ddraig Goch	Jul 1 2010, 11:07 AM Post #4
Ar hyd y nos Posts: 2,745 Group: Away Staff Member #230 Joined: Sep 27, 2009 Gender: Male Nationality: Welsh Favorite Quote: Vicious things can be amusing - like a shark in a funny hat.	Would it be more difficult for them to do this, with a cartiliginous skeleton?
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Carlos	Jul 1 2010, 11:09 AM Post #5
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Possibly, but if they develop cartilage structures in their fins akin to the bones of sarcopterygian fish then its possible
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Holben	Jul 1 2010, 11:37 AM Post #6
Rumbo a la Victoria Posts: 14,335 Group: Admin Member #220 Joined: Sep 18, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology	To raise generic anti-sapience points- how could they make fire? What would they construct items from? Is their brain 'ready'? How long is their development stage? Is a lot of attention focused on the young? Would they be part of a 'race to sapience'?
	Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."


Ddraig Goch	Jul 1 2010, 11:50 AM Post #7
Ar hyd y nos Posts: 2,745 Group: Away Staff Member #230 Joined: Sep 27, 2009 Gender: Male Nationality: Welsh Favorite Quote: Vicious things can be amusing - like a shark in a funny hat.	1; When on land, with "fingers" derived from specialized fins, then fire would be possible as it was for our ancestors. 2; Similar things to our ancestors. Unless you're thinking of an underwater society? 6; Depends
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Holben	Jul 1 2010, 12:38 PM Post #8
Rumbo a la Victoria Posts: 14,335 Group: Admin Member #220 Joined: Sep 18, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology	This is a bottom-dwelling civilisation, isn't it? Sharks can't (eic) go on land.
	Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."


Ddraig Goch	Jul 1 2010, 12:44 PM Post #9
Ar hyd y nos Posts: 2,745 Group: Away Staff Member #230 Joined: Sep 27, 2009 Gender: Male Nationality: Welsh Favorite Quote: Vicious things can be amusing - like a shark in a funny hat.	Not yet. But a huge land-extinction (and I mean, huge) would leave the land empty for a second takeover by the fishes. Whose to say sharks won't be among them?
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Holben	Jul 1 2010, 12:46 PM Post #10
Rumbo a la Victoria Posts: 14,335 Group: Admin Member #220 Joined: Sep 18, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology	Me! Mudskippers and lungfish first.
	Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."


Temporary	Jul 1 2010, 12:58 PM Post #11
Transhuman Posts: 2,092 Group: Members Member #167 Joined: Apr 29, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: USA	Any fish with bones first, really. Shark's bodies collapse on land without real bones. That said, why is fire so important?
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Holben	Jul 1 2010, 01:00 PM Post #12
Rumbo a la Victoria Posts: 14,335 Group: Admin Member #220 Joined: Sep 18, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology	Apart from being the trigger that inspired us to create culture, technology, enabled us to spread round the world and eat things we could never before eat, not much.
	Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."


Empyreon	Jul 1 2010, 01:09 PM Post #13
Are you plausible? Posts: 4,430 Group: Global Mods Member #174 Joined: May 26, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Favorite Quote: "You're making pointless forum games??? Uggh!! This has nothing to do with articulacy and literacy! MUST... DESTROY... EVERYTHING!!!" - Zorcuspine's impression of me	A fascinating idea, as long as it avoids the plot of Deep Blue Sea. Will an entirely aquatic society ever develop high technology?
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Holben	Jul 1 2010, 01:11 PM Post #14
Rumbo a la Victoria Posts: 14,335 Group: Admin Member #220 Joined: Sep 18, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology	It is doubtful under my present understanding, but i wouldn't put it past the universe, sneaky little thing it is.
	Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."


Carlos	Jul 1 2010, 01:37 PM Post #15
Adveho in me Lucifero Posts: 11,702 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: May 31, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: Portugayse Favorite Quote: Blame is the playing of children and is given to many like a gift that cannot be returned. Acceptance is the tool of the mature that is rarely loaned out.	Fire can be replaced really, as the development of culture just requires an important gathering spot.
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