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| Topic Started: Jun 15 2010, 01:11 PM (1,956 Views) | |
| irbaboon | Jun 15 2010, 01:11 PM Post #1 |
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Suppose though, that humanity dies out pretty soon and pretty quickly in a way that dosen't effect other primates (I don't care how or why) How would the New World Monkeys do? Would any adapt to life on the ground? Would any develop human level intelligence? Would the Owl Monkey become even further adapted to a nocturnal lifestyle? Would the marmoset develop more formidable claws for defensive or maybe predatory purposes? |
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| irbaboon | Jun 15 2010, 03:41 PM Post #16 |
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They are not, but rhesus have been introducted to Florida and Puerto Rico. Rounding out the Old World Primates in the Americas. Green monkeys have been introduced in Florida and St.Kitts and Barbados. Mona monkeys have been established on St.Kitts and Grenada. patas monkeys have been introduced to Puerto Rico and there is semi wild population of Japanese Macaques lives in Texas http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid%3A283057 Are there any populations of Old World monkeys in main land central or south america where most new world monkeys are found? If so how will this effect their future evolution? |
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| Practically Uninformed | Jun 15 2010, 03:49 PM Post #17 |
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Ok...so, what's the difference between Old-World and New-World monkeys? Is it geographical, or is it a legitimate sub-family grouping? |
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| Ook | Jun 15 2010, 03:51 PM Post #18 |
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there is feral population at mainland latin america too |
   
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| Toad of Spades | Jun 15 2010, 05:27 PM Post #19 |
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One of the major features of New World monkeys is that they have flat noses with the nostrils facing sideways. Old World monkeys' nostrils face downward. |
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| Cynovolans | Jun 15 2010, 06:00 PM Post #20 |
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New World monkeys are part of the parvaorder Platyrrhini, while Old World Monkeys(and apes) are part of the parvaorder Catarrhini. Edited by Cynovolans, Jun 15 2010, 06:01 PM.
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| Practically Uninformed | Jun 15 2010, 06:59 PM Post #21 |
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I see. But is it solely a familiar issue (i.e. there could be New-World monkeys living in Polynesia), or is it also geographical? |
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| Cynovolans | Jun 15 2010, 07:18 PM Post #22 |
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I think all New World Monkeys have to be descended from the group of primates that swam(or really drifted) to South America thousands of years. |
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I wish I could give the public a true picture of the queen as she appeared at her best, but this would be impossible, even had she permitted a photograph to be taken, for her charming play of expression while in conversation, the character and intellect which were then revealed, were only half seen when the face was in repose. -Lilias Underwood when speaking of Empress Myeongseong "I was born in the dark. I went out into the light, and your Majesty, it is my displeasure to inform you that I have returned to the dark. I envision a Seoul of towering buildings filled with Western establishments that will place herself back above the Japanese barbarians. Great things lie ahead for the Kingdom, great things. We must take action, your Majesty, without hesitation, to further modernize this still ancient kingdom."-Min Young-ik to Empress Myeongseong | |
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| Practically Uninformed | Jun 15 2010, 07:24 PM Post #23 |
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Ok then. Just clarifying. In that case, would a New World monkey adapting to a baboon niche look anything like a baboon? I assume that the Babookari isn't the way such a creature would go. |
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| MitchBeard | Jun 15 2010, 09:58 PM Post #24 |
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Convergent evolution would probably kick in and they could very likely end up looking a lot like a baboon. |
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| irbaboon | Jun 15 2010, 10:09 PM Post #25 |
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Which country and which species? |
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| Ammonite | Jun 16 2010, 02:49 AM Post #26 |
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To clarify the platyrhini and Catarrhini divergence issue, platyrhini primates are only known in the Americas while Catarrhini primates were traditionally restricted to Africa and Asia. Catarrhines came from an ancestor known as Eosimias which apparently has an earlier fossil record than any of the New World monkeys do, so part of the divergence between the two could have been sympatric. In general, platyrhines seem to be smaller. All are exclusively arboreal and all are quadrupedal. Many of them also brachiate with their feet and tales. In fact, aside from the noses, the other way to tell the two groups apart is their tails. Only Platyrhine monkeys have tails that are prehensile. But yes, the primary type of speciation still seems to be allopatric. Someone I know on another online board came up with monkeys that were carnivorous. I forget whether they were Platyrhine or Catarrhine monkeys but I believe they were described as arboreal pack hunters..... I may have gotten that wrong. It was an interesting idea nontheless. I could definately see some Platyrhine monkeys becoming arboreal pack hunters. |
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| Toad of Spades | Jun 16 2010, 03:25 AM Post #27 |
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You forgot to mention the nose thing. |
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| Ammonite | Jun 16 2010, 08:27 AM Post #28 |
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I didn't forget it. You already brought it up so I figured I would leave it out. Yes, Platyrhini is called such because of its flat nose. Platy- meaning "flat surface" and Rhis meaning "nose" in Greek. Probably the biggest difference in terms of the nose is that Platyrhine nostrils don't stick out at all. The nose is completely smooth, with only slits for noses. Catarrhine primates have pronounced nostrils, probably to help with breathing. |
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| irbaboon | Jun 16 2010, 12:07 PM Post #29 |
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Actually capuchin monkeys would not be a bad candidate for arborial pack hunting predators as they already sort of are see here http://www.springerlink.com/content/wq7g84723r723nr2/ What further adaptions do you think they would have if they adopted an even more predatory lifestyle/ |
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| Cynovolans | Jun 16 2010, 01:03 PM Post #30 |
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Capuchins also have opposable thumbs which they could use to make some basic hunting weapons. |
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