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bring johnfaa back; lift the bann
Topic Started: Jun 15 2010, 04:17 AM (3,625 Views)
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JohnFaa is guilty of repeated multiple violations of the very terms he agreed to when he joined this forum. His threats are empty and childish. He does contribute a great deal to this community, but that doesn't make him immune to the rules. I see no reason to unban him, especially in lieu of this event. If anything this just proves our point more.
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what! do you guys seriously think that the entire of spec evo is just a bunch of kids who can't be mature?

@temporary: yes good point, i think johnfaa should tolerate religion more, just as long as nothing homophobic like "gay people are wrong" is said
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Exactly, Seascorp. Of course, if someone says that, they deserve JohnFaa's wrath...

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Exactly. There are some topics that shouldn't be started in the first place, because it's obvious that they will lead to someone being offended for whatever reason. Delete the topics as soon as they start, and stuff like this can be averted.


Let me go over the logic there. A topic shouldn't be started because we can't trust each other to act mature and behave reasonably, so any topic that might somehow have a possibility to become offensive should be locked to begin with?

Wow, that's worthy of the FCC.
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Why do we need John Faa? All he does is rant about how all christians are evil and offends many different people on many different levels. And for those of you who say that he encourages new members to join, I will tell you this. John faa degrades our reputation as a website and enrages and intimidates many members. If we want to encourage our growth and expansion as a website, John Faa should not be part of it. Nuff' said.
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Well, we could just give him the new member permission instead of banning him. That way he still has access to the Spec Evo part, but can't post in General Discussion and none of this ever happens again.
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Why do we need John Faa? All he does is rant about how all christians are evil and offends many different people on many different levels. And for those of you who say that he encourages new members to join, I will tell you this. John faa degrades our reputation as a website and enrages and intimidates many members. If we want to encourage our growth and expansion as a website, John Faa should not be part of it. Nuff' said.
Because, despite his offensive tendencies, he's one of the most intelligent and imaginative members of this forum.

And none of you fucking DARE say that this forum is going downhill. I have seen a forum actually fall. I know all the stages, and we have none of them. Our staff are sensible, the members do not get enraged over the tiniest thing, and we haven't been targeted by hackers yet. So, count your blessings. About time people did.
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It is true that JohnFaa provides us lot's of information, and he's generally not only the first but the only one that knows we're wrong, and points us out how we can improve. However, there's not such thing as escential in this type of community. Just because you're a great help in the forums doen't mean he's inmune to the rules. Besides, he violated the terms that everybody agrees when entering the forum, knew the consecuences of it, and he didn't stop at all. I say that it's his problem for dissobeying, and the ban must stay.
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Did anyone read the terms? I just clicked agree and skimmed the rules.
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Exactly. Ignorance of the law is no reason to break the law.

To be honest, while John is quite intelligent, I've not been a fan. Not just because of the religion thing, though that's part of it. It's also because of how he handled the Metazoica situation. How he's "becoming a Metazoica" as he'd say. His hypocriticalness. His arrogance. His intolerance of the ideas of people that are different than him.

Now, if I actually got to know John in a real life setting, I might actually like the guy. But from how he's acting on the internet and on his deviantart, I don't really care for him. I mean, he's got a very very high warn level, which in and of itself would be okay. So long as he learned.

But learning doesn't seem to be up John's proverbial alley. Sure, he learns a lot about science, that much is true. But with ethics and morals, not so much.

Frankly, I think this banning business has been a long time coming. I've noticed MULTIPLE instances of John violating the rules before Parasky became admin and Empy became global mod. And no banning was ever done. Plenty of warnings, but he never took them to heart.

Bad qualities aside, John is a great asset to the community. But I've talked to some people who I've encouraged to join the forum and they say that they don't want to because of the violent nature of some members. I asked a few of them to name some names and JohnFaa came up every time.

If he can learn to clean up his act, glad to have you! But until then, well, just clean up your act.





PS: I mean no offense to JohnFaa here. I'm just stating my opinion on the matter.
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I haven't been back long enough to see how many times JohnFaa was warned, or banned, but I picked up on his attitude. Still, he is one of the best assets the forum has.

But he's no saint. That's okay, none of us are. We can all be a bit immature and hypocritical sometimes.

Nonetheless, the reasons for the ban are sound. Stating an opinion is one thing. Outright insulting people is another. With his comment, he pretty much directly insulted a good deal of people on this forum. And that's not a good thing.

The reason I think people are so shocked by this, despite it happening everywhere, is that people who frequent this forum have come to expect acceptance, tolerance, and maturity (Including John, apparently.). This is a forum, not just for Speculative Evolution, but for the fostering of intelligence and the formulation and discussion of ideas, both social and scientific.

I'm shocked that he threw this childish little tantrum. He uses a threat to leave a forum that he's been a part of for two years as a way to get out of a ban, and if he comes back, I won't look on him the same way.

That being said, I do not believe the ban should be lifted, except maybe for his birthday. If you're reading this, John, then please, please stay. At least argue your case (I have no idea what that would be.)! But don't be so immature and brash as to leave a forum that obviously (If you judge people's reactions here.) wants you to stay.
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It mostly happened when you were not on the forum Spino.
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I do believe it is fair for the ban to be lifted for his birthday. But only on his birthday.
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I feel compelled to comment, even though much of what I say will be little more than an echo of what has already been said.

First off, I want to say that this forum is not going downhill. I'm not really sure where that idea comes from. It's had more activity and inspiring conversation recently than when I joined, and I feel that I joined in a pretty productive time. New members are joining and evolution is being speculated, and that's what this place is about.

Friendships are forming too. The general discussion is probably our most active forum, and while we can debate the finer points of that as a good or bad thing, that's probably best for topics that are already devoted to the subject. But I think we can agree that we've found like-minded individuals on this site.

But we shouldn't trick ourselves into thinking that because we find a portion of the community to be agreeable that the entire community should think as we do. To find that we should seek groups of much more narrow scope. For example, if I wanted to only associate myself with those who share my own worldview there are plenty of other websites that I could-- and occasionally do-- visit. Here, we must exercise respectful interaction, tact, and even conclusive disagreement from time to time. Otherwise, we are in violation of rules that, believe it or not, we agreed to simply by joining the forum.

There is a potential danger in that, one which I think few people realize. Flagrant, unchecked violations of TOS can give license to zetaboards to shut SE down. Let me reiterate that: if we don't adhere to these rules, zetaboards is within its rights to shut us down. Now, there is no current activity going on that could warrant immediate termination, and for the most part, people know how to treat one another. But when the Terms of Service are violated, they must be enforced.

Now, you can disagree with that; you can disagree with me, on every word that I ever say around here. You can even think that I'm a waste of biomass (to quote Holbenilord ;) ), but if you choose to express it inappropriately then you are in violation of TOS, and action should be taken.

I think I've gone on long enough, and mostly just repeated what others have said, but I just want to end by saying that I hope JohnFaa returns. I also hope that he can learn that, despite how he feels he needs to express it in a way that is compatible with TOS or he will have to face consequences.
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