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Rats
Topic Started: May 31 2010, 07:23 AM (879 Views)
Ook	May 31 2010, 07:23 AM Post #1
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	rattus rattus settled in pacific ocean 110 islands,Pynesian rat about 90 islands.Rattus novergicus settlet about 230 islands around the world.In next few millions years,there will be thousands of new rat species. Today,there is about 50 rat species



Canis Lupis	May 31 2010, 12:27 PM Post #2
Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth. Posts: 5,881 Group: Away Staff Member #95 Joined: Oct 16, 2008 Gender: Female Nationality: United States Favorite Quote: "A speccer once tried to tell me I was wrong. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."	Yeah, so...what do you want us to do?



Ook	May 31 2010, 12:43 PM Post #3
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	yust about rats potentional...there could be semiaquatic rat and later full aquatic rat-new marine mammal there could be thanks to very low competiton on islands herbivorous and carnivorous rats,rats which live in colonies,or rats which have symbiosis with some other organism



Canis Lupis	May 31 2010, 12:50 PM Post #4
Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth. Posts: 5,881 Group: Away Staff Member #95 Joined: Oct 16, 2008 Gender: Female Nationality: United States Favorite Quote: "A speccer once tried to tell me I was wrong. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."	Yes, there is that potential there. I always think of feline-like predators when I think of predatory rat descendents.



Ook	May 31 2010, 01:34 PM Post #5
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	predatory rats is possible,but i dont think that they can evolve at places like europe,or america,because there is strong competition.Just on isolated places



Spinosaurus Rex	May 31 2010, 01:38 PM Post #6
Apex Posts: 716 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: Jun 5, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: Half Caucasian, 40% Thai, 10% German Favorite Quote: They will loot and pillage in the name of God, rape and murder in the name of country. And when we are all gone, they will call it peace.	They're rats. Tenacious and extremely opportunistic. I see them becoming more of a super-omnivore. Rats didn't get to where they are by being specialized or particularly efficient at any one thing. They got where they are by being jacks-of-all-trades, never being pushed back by nature (Despite having a... I believe the number was 95%, annual mortality rate.)
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Ook	May 31 2010, 01:40 PM Post #7
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	yeah thats true,just unspecialized omnivores like opossums or racoons



Spinosaurus Rex	May 31 2010, 01:42 PM Post #8
Apex Posts: 716 Group: Members Member #178 Joined: Jun 5, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: Half Caucasian, 40% Thai, 10% German Favorite Quote: They will loot and pillage in the name of God, rape and murder in the name of country. And when we are all gone, they will call it peace.	I also recall Brown rats being very good swimmers. A possible Musk Rat-like ancestor in more watery areas, perhaps? Are Musk Rats... rats?
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Ook	May 31 2010, 01:46 PM Post #9
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	noo, but rats can evolve into form like this



The Dodo	Jun 1 2010, 02:57 AM Post #10
Prime Specimen Posts: 1,382 Group: Members Member #189 Joined: Jul 26, 2009 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian	I like the idea os marine rats, probably from brown rats since black rats aren't as good swimmers. Maybe black rats could evolve into full tree-dwellers, they are pretty good at climbing.



Ook	Jun 1 2010, 04:14 AM Post #11
not a Transhuman Posts: 2,933 Group: Members Member #282 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male	they can fill many niches on islands,imagine island not too small,where from ground mammals lives only rats,after few milions years,there could be many interesting forms



Holben	Jun 1 2010, 04:52 AM Post #12
Rumbo a la Victoria Posts: 14,335 Group: Admin Member #220 Joined: Sep 18, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology	Rats are very good at being adaptable... they don't necessarily have to specialise. They can swim for three days without tiring.
	Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."


MitchBeard	Jun 1 2010, 05:37 AM Post #13
proud gondwanan Posts: 431 Group: Members Member #281 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian	They don't have to, but it will inevitably happen. Jack of all trades is the master of none. And as soon as you get one subset of the population starts specialising their diet towards X, it will encourage the rest of the population to start specialising away from X. There will no doubt still be the jack of all trades rats, but they will specialise out also.



Holben	Jun 1 2010, 06:22 AM Post #14
Rumbo a la Victoria Posts: 14,335 Group: Admin Member #220 Joined: Sep 18, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology	Fair enough, but pressure due to humanity goes only in one direction.
	Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."


MitchBeard	Jun 1 2010, 06:46 AM Post #15
proud gondwanan Posts: 431 Group: Members Member #281 Joined: Mar 10, 2010 Gender: Male Nationality: Australian	No. Even in urban areas and cities, if you left rats long enough they would speciate. Most pacific islands are too sparsely populated for it to make a difference anyway.



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