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[ARCHIVED] Coconut Crabs
Topic Started: May 14 2010, 01:17 AM (4,028 Views)
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As the Chinese swamp of 120 MYF nears its end (got a batch ready) I've been wondering about Coconut Crabs.

The coconut crab is unique among arthropods that as they went on land their gills didn't turn into body tubes, but is currently in a proto-lung. In the Postozoic it goes further and turns into a real lung, allowing them to grow bigger. What is the biggest size they are able to achieve and what diversity can they have?

I'm guessing that they will be able to grow as big as a lot of vertebrates as some seascorpions (including a 7 foot long one) went on land and arthropleura existed.
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most possible is that they spend larval stage in eggs
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MitchBeard
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Maybe, but they would be quite tiny still once they did hatch
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or they wil have got very small number of bigger eggs
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Yeah, fair enough.
I guess I just love the idea of a single species fulfilling different niches in different parts of its life cycle too much.
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They will take many ecological niches, after all they need to grow. They are not mammals, only animals with parental care take the same ecological niche for all their life.
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I've got the coconut crabs ready (if you like it):

Megacrabs
 
Megacrabs/Coconut Crabs: Descendants of coconut crab, they have diversified. Most live in the trees, but some are strict ground dwellers. They live in dens underground, where they sleep, do their molting (it takes a month), and have their young. Their young live in pools made by their mother, safe from aquatic predators. The mother has a special pouch for water during the period to refresh the water and feed it plankton and algae.

They range from sizes of 5 inches long with leg spans of 1.5 feet to 3 feet long with leg spans of 9 feet. They also range in diets as adults, but as larvae and adolescents they fill different niches.

The larvae feed on plankton and algae. When they first go on land they feed on fruit and rotting meat, and make their way up and get more specialized to their adult diet.

The ground crabs look a lot like today's coconut crab. The tree crabs have flexible legs to hang in the trees upside down (as they don't have anything to grasp it with besides the leg itself) and long eyestalks to have a wide range of vision. All tree crabs have strong pincers and while all carnivorous ground crabs have strong pincers too, the herbivorous ground crabs don't.

The tree crabs move in the trees by sliding their legs while hanging upside down, when they have to go to a new branch they grab on to the branch (hence their strong pincers), and if after they test it it's strong enough to hold them they "jump" to the branch (while still holding on) and continue going.

While they have a strong exoskeleton, they still have predators. Their only predators are carnivore primates and other predators at least twice as big as them. They are immune to the bite of most terrestrial octopi. They actually need the venom protection not to prevent being hunted, but to prevent fatal bites while hunting the terrestrial octopi.


And a species I made for it:
Beaver Crabs
 
Beaver Crab/Coconut Crabs: A 2 foot long ground megacrab, they form family groups to protect their young. They form dams like beavers from their serrated pincers to form a pool to protect their planktonic young. Then they protect their young and family members while molting, so they only fill 1 ecological niche in their lifetime. The mothers still have pouches to refresh the water for plankton and algae.

They are omnivores, leaning more on the carnivore side. They feed on fallen fruits, leaves from a specific future plant, and meat ranging from terrestrial octopi, antechinus, insectivore mice, other large arthropods (since the oxygen levels way higher), and carcasses. Only the biggest carnivores won't give up a carcass from a beaver crab family because of their serrated pincers.


Who likes it?
Does anyone have a name better than Megacrab?
Is the Beaver Crab plausible?
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Sounds good man.
Do the tree megacrabs live in underground dens? I think it would make more sense for them to live in tree hollows.
As for the name, Arbirgus? Arboreal/Birgus as in the genus name for coconut crabs?
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What about, instead of "megacrab", you call them "climberbugs", to emphasize their arboreal lifestyle and their divergence from standard crustacean anatomy?
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Hows about pulmoncer? It's an amalgam of "pulmo" (Latin for "lung") and "cancer" (Latin for "crab). That could also lead to the class/order (order would be better) name Pulmoncera.
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Mitchbeard: Underground burrows are better. More room, pool for the planktonic babies, etc...

Practically Uninformed: Climberbugs will be good for most of them, but not all of them as some of them are strictly terrestrial, like the Beaver Crab.

Canis: Pulmoncers are a good name. Eventually I want to have a taxonomy like in the Nereus website with latin names for every animal. But that will have to wait at least 2 weeks, after my last exam.
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Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth.

If you need any help with that taxonomy, just holler. That's my thing if you read my creature descriptions.
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I've still got the latin translator you gave me bookmarks. But I will PM you if I need any help.
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Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth.

Use a Greek translator too. I find that I use Greek words more so than Latin.
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I also plan to do Dynamic Browsing for the Postozoic. Has to be edited in my board and then implemented in the website. Will start working on it after Dynamic Projects is released.
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I think I might do up one of the smaller species of mega crab, if thats ok with you pando.
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