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| Project Nostalgia; and loe, TFIB is back in business | |
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| Topic Started: Mar 30 2010, 06:42 PM (3,343 Views) | |
| Canis Lupis | Mar 30 2010, 06:42 PM Post #1 |
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First off, I would like to say that I will continue to do the "The Future of the Kinds" multi-project. So that's not dead. Anyway, I was surfing through the official competitions forum yesterday when I came across the "Project of the Month: #1" topic. It was held in the first year I was on this forum and from the first year the forum was active. Anyway, when the contest ended, my "The Future is Bizarre" project (the first project I had ever actually done and that started by speculative "career") had only one vote and Saxophlutist's "Europa" project won with three votes. However, when I checked back yesterday, I discovered that my project had garnered five votes beating everyone else's project by at least two. Then along came Pandorasaurus. His "25 MYF" project was, according to him, inspired by my TFIB project. Needless to say, I am feeling slightly nostalgic. TFIB is a part of my "The Future of the Kinds" multi-project. But since it was the first project I ever had and I have a soft spot for it, I would like to take a deeper look at it. Expand on it, if you will. And make it better now that I know more about zoology, future evolution, ancient evolution, evolution in general, and speculative biology in general. So I shall take up the mantle once again and journey back a couple of years to when this idea was first conceived. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Over the years, I have become more of a fan of near-future evolution projects. Projects that take place anywhere from 1000 years from now to 50 million years from now. That said, I shall really only focus on what happens 10 million years into the TFIB universe. Unlike the first time I delved into the TFIB universe, I will take into account zoo animals and introduced animals. So when you see wallabies in Europe, don't be surprised. I've done some research, and apparently 15 million year ago, atmospheric CO2 concentrations were as high as they are today. So obviously, in a future in which the polar ice caps completely melt and humans are wiped out (or left the planet, but I honestly don't care so long as they are gone), I will be turning to 15 million years ago to see a real life example of how life adapted to a warmer Earth. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now for probably the most essential part to any future evo project: the extinction list, letting the reader know who's still around and who's gone. I will not post a survivor list. If a creature does not appear on the extinction list, it is in there. That said, the global warming extinction event affected mostly the chordates. About half of the world's coral species died out and one fourth of the world's sponge species died out, but that’s about it for the invertebrates. And of the chordates, only tetrapods are really affected. Anurans, those frogs and toads we see hopping around today, are hit hard by the human era and global warming. As we may all know, the widespread pollution in the modern ecosystem has caused sever genetic abnormalities in many species of anuran. With humanity persisting for another century, I‘ve got a feeling that these anurans will become extinct (with the exception of one or two relict species). As far as reptiles go, sea turtles appear to be the most vulnerable and they are the most likely reptilian group to die out. Now sure: some reptile species will die out, such as the Chinese alligator and the gavials. However, sea turtles are the only group in which ALL species will go extinct. As far as Reptilia goes that is. Birds are next on the list. Now the extinctions get more lucrative. For this class, Antarctic penguins are wiped out (though penguins around the world remain for the most part), as are cassowaries, kiwis, and some tinamous. The kakapo is one of the few parrot species that goes extinct. Other less noteworthy, but nonetheless important, avian extinctions include the trogons, lyrebirds, wattlebirds, birds of paradise, and bowerbirds, among a number of individual species extinctions. Last, but certainly the most devastated animal groups, are the mammals. As the ruling class in the Holocene, it seems fitting that they’d experience the most extinctions. As far as monotremes go, only the long-beaked echidna goes extinct, leaving the platypuses and the short-beaked echidna. When it comes to the marsupials, it would be easier to sum up who survives. These survivors include the macropods, quolls, wombats, opossums, numbats, and bandicoots. Placental mammals experience the loss of solenodons, the scandents (tree shrews), dermopterans (colugos), the great apes (including humans and gibbons), lemurs, various New World monkeys, big cats (save jaguars and leopards), toy dogs, various species of bear (excluding the black bear), cheetahs, walruses, all cetaceans (except for the delphinids), sirenians, proboscideans, rhinos, Asian tapirs, giraffids, hippos, the pikas. As well as some individual species extinctions, these are all the creatures that go extinct in the Holocene extinction event. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So what will arise out of the extinction, the death, and the decay? What groups are poised to take over this brave new world? That will come later. Shortly. Within a day or two. Just be patient: I’ll get to my first family here soon. As soon as I can figure out what family to do first. Anyway, enjoy it. I know I will as I ride the never-ending wave of nostalgia. |
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| Canis Lupis | Apr 17 2010, 08:52 PM Post #16 |
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Seriemas. Those wheels were spinning. Anyway, I promised I'd have an update today. Sad to say, it's not a creature description. What I think I shall actually do is pull a Nereus: do biome features, with descriptions of individual species in them. Any vote on what to see first? Just pick a continent (and yes, I do include oceans as a continent) and I'll select a biome from it. |
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| Pando | Apr 17 2010, 08:55 PM Post #17 |
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Australian rain forest please! |
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| Canis Lupis | Apr 17 2010, 08:58 PM Post #18 |
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Ooh, right for the specific description. Alright. Let me do a bit of research and I'll do some descriptions. |
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| Ook | Apr 18 2010, 02:30 AM Post #19 |
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maybe you can start with european/nroth american temperate forest,for easy start some ideas: -girrafe deer,climcacoceras like -cheetah like carnivore,whose ancestor is felis sylvestris cattus or civet -langomorphs,that take over niche of small antelopes(really small,no dixonian like giants,..maybe about size of muntjac,or chevrovtain) -new zealand lemuroid marsupials,various types of wallabyes,cat and dog like carnivore quolls,and new giant birds,descendants of emu -aquatic sloths -giant armadillos -rhino.like hyraxs,hyppo like hyraxs -giant boar,about size of mammoth,that have got same role in ecosystem as mammoth Edited by Ook, Apr 18 2010, 02:39 AM.
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| Holben | Apr 18 2010, 01:29 PM Post #20 |
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Rumbo a la Victoria
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I can't for the life of me remember which topic that was in. Even a little searching proved fruitless. But i don't think it can be taken as a rule- i mean, even saying 'US level-tech' is rather arbitrary. |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| Canis Lupis | Apr 18 2010, 10:58 PM Post #21 |
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Bexi, I'll probably get to North American temperate forest next. Thanks for your ideas anyway. You may notice that my ideas for the NA temperate forest may be similar to yours. Now to give you all a general idea of what I'm going to do. Here's a map of 15MYF Australia with only rainforests highlighted. The region I'm going to coveris marked with a large X. http://specbiofan.deviantart.com/art/Map-of-15MYF-Australia-161191822 As you can see, most of the atolls are gone, having sunk under the ocean. Much of Tasmania and New Zealand are also gone, though they are still recognizable. As you can also see, I'll be covering the mainland's rainforest area. Some creature ideas I've thought up so far:
While by no means the only creatures in the North Australian rainforest, these are some of the most notable. Undoubtedly, when I do a formal writeup on these creatures (which will include pictures BTW), there will be more than these six. I’m just a bit specced out right now. Plus, I want to give you all something to look forward to. ::) |
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| Pando | Apr 18 2010, 11:22 PM Post #22 |
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Looks promising. |
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| Canis Lupis | Apr 18 2010, 11:37 PM Post #23 |
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Thanks. Any glaring errors you noticed? Except for the emu descendent, I put this together in about two hours, so there is sure to be some sort of error. It'll probably jump out at me soon. I just know it!
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| Holben | Apr 19 2010, 06:38 AM Post #24 |
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Just something small- Most of the land which will be underwater will be beaches and that. So, cliffs will become even more dominant around coasts. Sea animals which go onb land will find it harder to rest, cliff-nesting birds will spread, and mollusc-=based beach ecosystems will be better protected from aerial predators. |
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| Ook | Apr 19 2010, 08:29 AM Post #25 |
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some nameless ideas rabbits that live ing big colonies and they are main prey for many carnivores marsupial stoat-they only prey is colonial rabbits marsupial anteater-something like myrmecobius,but bigger wombat,that resemble diprotodonts bandicoots,that looks like pig footed bandicoot...they are omnivore and social..in more far future they evolve into something like ungulates familly of rainforest toads,that are very colorfull and poison...something like south american poison frogs Edited by Ook, Apr 19 2010, 08:29 AM.
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| Holben | Apr 19 2010, 01:13 PM Post #26 |
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Marsupial stoat- why not a placental? Frogs- since toads are already poisonous, that could work. Yet i am sceptical, as many predators can bypass these poisons. Rabbits- they already live in big colonies. I imagine the only thing that would change about them would be the coat (due to manmade pressure being lifted) and teeth. |
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| Ook | Apr 19 2010, 01:50 PM Post #27 |
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toads could diverget into tens or hundred of species and become the most numerous australia amphibians stoats are not in australia,and he wrote that most of introduced species died rabbits..you think that rabbits look as today rabbit?they could be slightly smaller,and specialized...with better social structure |
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| Canis Lupis | Apr 19 2010, 06:27 PM Post #28 |
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I like the rabbit idea, but thy were also wiped out in the eradication program. With a better understanding of biocontraceptives in the latter 21st century (BTW, they are actually working on biocontraceptives. So didn't just pick it out of the air), most introduced species were wiped out. Rabbits, pigs, horses, foxes, feral domestic cats, and feral goats to name a few. Some of the more numerous ones (like the dingo, camel, and cane toad) still exist (and yes, I am aware that rabbits are also some of the most numerous of Australia's introduced species. But with so much attention being put on eradicating them, I doubt they'll survive in Australia much longer). Yes, toads could potentially. And, in fact, Australia could be the last place anyone could see any kind of anuran ever again. Islands do tend to be havens for species extinct elsewhere. The larger toxodon-like wombat would most definately work. In fact, that is one of the biggest future evo cliches. Though that's not necessarily a bad thing: if it's likely to happen, you'd expect it to be used in multiple projects. I like the idea of an ungulate marsupial evolving from the bandicoots. Wish the pig-footed bandicoot was still extant though. Oh well. I still see it as likely to evolve.So in other words, Holben, the coastline would be dominated by cliffs. Sounds alright to me. |
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| Pando | Apr 19 2010, 09:13 PM Post #29 |
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Don't forget that a lot of rabbits were wiped out by a disease. Maybe those rabbits could be replaced by wombats? |
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| Canis Lupis | Apr 19 2010, 09:25 PM Post #30 |
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Yep. But with the high reproductive rate of the immune rabbits, rabbit population has again soared. The best method seems to be a biocontraceptive, administered via a virus. Yes, wombats could potentially replace rabbits in Australia but, while this may not be very original, I'd hae to say wallabies would be the more likely candidate. |
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Oh well. I still see it as likely to evolve.
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