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| T.Neo | Mar 20 2010, 03:18 PM Post #76 |
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Those projects were attempted in the days before computer stabilisation and such. There was also a lot going on about VTOL and super-aircraft nonsense. I'm telling you now, that if you built an aircraft, just an aircraft, with a circular wing-body, and had computer stabilisation etc, it would fly. Then again, there is always the Vought V-173, which actually flew. Not a conventional "saucer", but pretty unconventional nontheless. |
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| Practically Uninformed | Mar 20 2010, 03:34 PM Post #77 |
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Informed enough to care
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Why have they not done so, then? Also, there are actually several reports of saucers moving via flipping or spinning like a wheel. Dunno how one can justify that as a successful movement through air. |
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| Flisch | Mar 20 2010, 05:37 PM Post #78 |
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I bet they wanted to show that Borg were all about functionality and not aesthetics.
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| T.Neo | Mar 20 2010, 05:39 PM Post #79 |
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Because there isn't really a reason for a saucer shaped aircraft. That, and a thing called paradigm. "It's strange, we don't want it" is a very, very common attitude. After all, the US airforce could be testing highly advanced aircraft right now, that are just top secret. I'm not at all trying to spread some conspiracy here, but it has happened in the past and it is undoubtedly happening now. See the SR-71, F-117, B-2 etc.
Spinning is cool, I s'pose. Flipping though?
Indeed. Preferably not taxidermied though, although DNA tests could still show a result. Edited by T.Neo, Mar 20 2010, 05:44 PM.
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| Temporary | Mar 20 2010, 06:19 PM Post #80 |
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Quicker turning, sometimes no need for turning, more arial agility, an addition of hydrodynamic properties, they started work on Silberbug for a reason.
There have been allegations similar to this. Someone was going to write an article about stuff he saw at an air base, but the stuff was moved to a higher security clearance before he could say anything. The story goes that the aircraft looked like saucers with cockpits on top. Or the guy was trying to get extrapublicity and was BSing us, who knows? Similarly, most of the aircraft you mentioned were involved in some alien sightings, something that came up after they were declassified. BUT, and I really don't care what you say about computer stabilizers, I want to see a working model before I beleive this works. |
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| T.Neo | Mar 20 2010, 07:04 PM Post #81 |
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Depends on your propulsion system and/or the nature of the cockpit.
Yeah, if you don't know what you're looking at you can be quite confused. The B-2, for example, looks very saucer like when viewed straight-on...
Well, this isn't antigravity or FTL travel here. It's aerodynamics. If they could get the Hopeless Diamond to fly, they could get a saucer-shaped aircraft to fly. |
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| Kingpin | Mar 20 2010, 09:55 PM Post #82 |
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Gah, you and the rest of the scientific community. I'm suprised no one has brought up the three things that are in every alien fanatic's arsenal: Area 51, Roswell, and practically any government conspiracy theory. |
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| lamna | Mar 21 2010, 04:17 AM Post #83 |
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The Government of South Vietnam was going to tell the world! That's the real reason the US pulled out of Indochina!! I highly doubt they have made contact if they have come here. |
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| sam999 | Mar 21 2010, 07:03 AM Post #84 |
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is the WORST idea of all time. It was so big it would fall into a sphere shape under it's own gravty if not held together by tractor fields or something... |
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| T.Neo | Mar 21 2010, 07:35 AM Post #85 |
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Area 51: testing ground for airforce projects. No aliens. Roswell: town somewhere in the desert, crash site of top secret spy balloon. No aliens. Government conspiracy theories: generally nonsense.
Any spacecraft will do that if you go that big... I've heard maximum size limits of 20km for a steel structure spun to produce 1 g, but I would imagine larger structures could hold together provided they were not under such a force. Thrusters etc would come into play, however. And you also have to worry about tidal effects. It would be fun to do a surface gravity calc for the Death Star. It's about the size of Saturn's moon Mimas (which coincidentally has a huge big crater in it's northern hemisphere which makes it look like the Death Star), but if made out of steel (or even titanium or aluminium) it would be far denser, and thus have more mass and higher surface gravity. It also has large air-filled interior spaces though... Edited by T.Neo, Mar 21 2010, 07:36 AM.
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| lamna | Mar 21 2010, 09:28 AM Post #86 |
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Government conspiracies are nonsense, because it's almost impossible to keep a secret these days. I wonder what kind of relations the Aliens would have if they did contact us? Would they want an Embassy? |
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| Kamidio | Mar 21 2010, 11:08 AM Post #87 |
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The Game Master of the SSU:NC
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Probably not. And you got a new avatar after I posted something about Kakashi = David Bowie, didn't you? |
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| lamna | Mar 21 2010, 11:37 AM Post #88 |
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No, I got it after listening to the new Naruto The Abridged Comedy Spoof Series Show episode. And why would they not want an embassy once they know that's how we conduct relations with other nations? |
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| Holben | Mar 21 2010, 12:25 PM Post #89 |
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Rumbo a la Victoria
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Maybe they think of themselves as a nation? Or just don't want to be left out of all the intrigue and murder? ![]() Saucers are 'supposed' to spin when still, and apparently looking at them through polaroids shows a series of concentric rings around them. These would be signs of electromagnetic localised fields, presumably as part of the OU drive! *mwahahahahahahahaha* They don't need to calculate vectors or turn like an aircraft as they have no need to lose momentum. |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| T.Neo | Mar 21 2010, 04:42 PM Post #90 |
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Maybe there is a large chance that we won't be dealing with another sophont species as a whole, but rather with their "nations" individually (if said nations are involved with us). So an embassy might make sense.
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