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| Kingpin | Mar 17 2010, 08:07 PM Post #46 |
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You know, not everyone in cryptozoology is a nut job. There are several studies of incidents regarding everyones favorite cryptid, Bigfoot. The Patterson video for example. You will mostly likely scoff when I bring it up, and tell me it's a guy in an ape costume. But if we examine the bigfoot more closely, we see certain characteristics that were imposible to recreate using the technology that exsisted at the time, such as eyebrow movement, or female breasts. They also conducted a study of the movements the bigfoot went through, using an athlete to recreate the positions it went through. They found that the athlete couldn't make most of the moves because the bigfoot in the video had a different hip structure that allowed it to make moves impossible for a human. The height and length of stride have also been estimated, making the supposed costume wearer a giant by any means. I'm not saying that some things about it aren't a little crazy, I just think regular scientist shouldn't shoot down EVERYTHING cryptozoologists say about ANYTHING that might not have much evidence. Scientists laughed at the man who showed them a stuffed duckbilled platypus, and when he brought in a live one, they STILL were skeptical. You'll find that there's more evidence than you'd think. The only thing they lack is a body, which is the only thing that will ever convince any of people with that type of mindset. |
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| Canis Lupis | Mar 17 2010, 08:20 PM Post #47 |
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I'm not COMPLETELY skeptical. Some evidence is rather convincing. But if you are talking about Champ, the Loch Ness monster, a non-canine explanation for the chupacabra, or dragons, I am sorry. Just does not seem possible to me. I mean, some cryptozoologists ignore blatantly obvious things. On "MonsterQuest" (yes, I watch the show just to try to get a good laugh (though some episodes are actually legitimate, like those dealing with sharks in the Mississippi River or killer bees or Floridean pythons or the giant squid or the thylacine)), they found video footage of a manatee-like creature with a trident-shaped tail. They compared it to pictures of manatees which had had a run-in with a boat motor and found a pretty exact match. Yet they still went on to say that "This is something completely new and strange." And don't get me started on the episode where they attempted to find eight-foot long tarantulas whose body height came to a man's knee. That is kind of biologically IMpossible in this day and age. Again, I know not all cryptozoologists are nuts. Some are actually legitimate scientists. Though some are nuts and it is quite easy to figure out who they are. As for bigfoot, yeti, sasquatch, almas, and orang pendec, I don't believe it. Yet. No evidence has yet turned up that has convinced me beyond a doubt that it is real. And it could very well be real. People laughed at the gorilla when reports first came back. Perhaps that is all bigfoot is: a North American gorilla and the bipedal versions of it are hoaxes. |
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| Kingpin | Mar 17 2010, 08:43 PM Post #48 |
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That's exactly what I'm saying though. There IS plenty of evidence, just nothing you would accept. Several large nests have been found when on the hunt for Yeti, extremely similar to ones made my gorillas. Destination Truth usually finds something of interest, even explaining away most of their cases as non-paranormal. Last time they were in the Himalayas, they caught an upright bipedial creature on a thermal imaging camera, when everyone on the team was accounted for, a fresh footprint (Nothing remarkable to you, I'm sure, but considering it was barefoot, huge, and it was freezing outside says something to me), and several hair samples that when sent to a DNA test, came back as unidentified. |
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| Canis Lupis | Mar 17 2010, 09:27 PM Post #49 |
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All convincing evidence, I will admit. I can't find a way to explain it away. However, I would like to see a real body. Not me personally, but I'd like someone out there to find a yeti body and conclusively determine that it is something new. That hair is a good start. BTW, how could a yeti, most likely not having hairy feet, run through the snow without getting frostbite? I'm sure that, if the yeti is real, evolution would find some way to make it so. But I'm not sure of the mechanism yet. Again, the yeti and related species could be real (and, admittedly, there is a 60-70% chance that they are). But there is also the chance that they are not. And until a real body turns up, I will still remain skeptical. It doesn't even have to be a whole body: it could just be a yeti foot or skeleton for all I care. Just something that proves "Okay, it's not a human nor is it a gorilla. It's something new." |
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| Kamidio | Mar 17 2010, 09:56 PM Post #50 |
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| Kingpin | Mar 17 2010, 10:00 PM Post #51 |
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You're thinking of Hollywood's Yeti. Most supposedly live lower in the winter, and moved higher up the warmer it gets. And there was a skeletal hand found. I'm fuzzy on the details, but I think an american reporter came to see this skeletal hand, and actually swapped the real bones with human ones, so he could take them back with him, something the monks refused to let him do. I have no idea what happened to the actaul bones though. |
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| Empyreon | Mar 18 2010, 01:50 AM Post #52 |
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That right there destroys a lot of credibility. "Oh, there is definitely a yeti hand! Somewhere..." "Oh, I definitely did my homework for today! I just couldn't find it this morning..." |
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| T.Neo | Mar 18 2010, 12:28 PM Post #53 |
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Translunar injection: TLI
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Oh no, a lot of cryptozooology is completely credible. Look at the Okapi, for example. A lot of it is also rubbish. Partly because of the research done; all those searches for the Loch Ness monster, for example, have turned up very little. Also because these organisms should be far more obvious; A population of lake reptiles would often poke their heads out of the water to breathe, and Bigfoot should have been found by now. As for the skeletal hands, and hair samples, and video evidence, provide the scientific community with concrete proof and then I'll believe it. That video is also very low quality; I really would not be surprised if these traits were simply read into the film grain. A lot of other things are also pretty much made nonsensical by evolutionary history. Dragons with six limbs make no sense, chupacabras which are apparently mammalian yet have scaly spikes, and also somehow have luminescent eyes and the ability to fly while lacking wings even less so... However, it is always important to keep an open mind. Just not so open that your brain falls out. About the platypus, I believe they were skeptical of the stuffed specimen he showed them- they thought it was parts of different animals stitched together. A live specimen is somewhat harder to fake... Getting somewhat back on-topic, there isn't really any stealth in space- spacecraft are about the unstealthiest vehicles around. I suppose you could be entirely undetectable if you could isolate yourself in some sort of gravity bubble (assuming that such a thing is possible and could be done). This could be related to the FTL travel system of the aliens, again assuming that such a thing is possible and that they are using it. If you are in the space between the Earth and the Moon, NORAD or another monitoring organisation will pick you up. Edited by T.Neo, Mar 18 2010, 12:29 PM.
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| Ddraig Goch | Mar 18 2010, 12:47 PM Post #54 |
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Well, perhaps they have a similar mechanism to that which allows penguins to walk barefoot on Antarctic ice? And it's worth asking the question of why we are of such interest to any aliens out there? Timetravellers seem more and more likely... PS; Please don't destroy my hopes of them finding Nessie. He does exist, HE DOES!!!
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| Empyreon | Mar 18 2010, 01:00 PM Post #55 |
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Humans have an insatiable curiosity of the unknown. Whenever we reach a horizon in biology, technology or human understanding we look for the next one. And many of us invent answers to our unanswerable questions, giving rise to what's collectively known as mythology. Just like the Olympian gods and fairy folk, aliens live enygmatic lives in an uncharted land, and are reported to interact with us in a variety of ways. |
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| T.Neo | Mar 18 2010, 02:43 PM Post #56 |
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Yeah, perhaps more likely, but still not very likely relative to everything else... Though, if we discovered a sophont somewhere else in the universe, and we were able to "conveniently" visit them, wouldn't we?
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| Temporary | Mar 18 2010, 03:25 PM Post #57 |
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Don't you love the irony? We're so close, but would probably never ever talk without the net, more pacifically, this site. Go figure.
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| KayKay | Mar 18 2010, 04:10 PM Post #58 |
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I'm sorry, I know this is a little off-topic but I have seen it so often I can't hold back any longer... It's specific. Not pacific. Sorry for being nitpicky, but when I see a spelling mistake (we all make them, no shame in it) being repeated I have to correct it.No hard feelings? On-topic: I too agree with the opinion that aliens would probably be able to keep themselves well hidden from us, if they ever reached here. Maybe they have something similar to a Prime Directive like on Star Trek. |
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| lamna | Mar 18 2010, 04:40 PM Post #59 |
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There is no Loch Ness Monster. BBC checked, and surprise surprise there was nothing in the incredibly cold acidic lake. I got very tired of Cryptozoology.com, full of snarks, idiots and creationists. Anyway this topic is about aliens, not cryptozoology. So talk about that. |
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| Practically Uninformed | Mar 18 2010, 04:53 PM Post #60 |
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Informed enough to care
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The only aliens I really despise are the blatantly humanoid ones people seem to meet up with, the Greys and Reptoids and whatnot. The only cool, not-totally-stupid things to come out of them are the explanations given for their development. Ambulocetans returning to the land and dinosaurs becoming intelligent are juicy tidbits of speculative biology, after all... |
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Sorry for being nitpicky, but when I see a spelling mistake (we all make them, no shame in it) being repeated I have to correct it.

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