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Have aliens landed on Earth?
Yes 7 (25%)
No 16 (57.1%)
I haven't a clue 5 (17.9%)
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Have the aliens landed?; Have the little green men made contact, or is it a figment of our imagination?
Topic Started: Mar 12 2010, 02:42 PM (5,484 Views)
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Aliens. The number of stories involving them in popular science fiction is immense. It is, however, matched by the number of experiances that many claim to have had, involving seeing, contacting, and even being abducted by aliens.

One interesting account involves the Dogon people of Mali. Anthropomorphologists would describe them as "primitive", but they have amazing knowledge of space and the stars. They claim that they were contacted, and civilised, by an alien race who hailed from the star system Sirius. To back up this claim, they reportedly knew, even before Western science discovered it, that Sirius is a binary star-system - and one has to remember that the Dogon have no telescopes or similar devices. They also describe Sirius B as small, dense, and extremely heavy - all perfectly accurate. They are even able to accurately predict the orbit of Sirius B around Sirius A.

So, what do you all think? This isn't disputing the existance of alien life, but their contact with Earth and humans. Have the extraterrestrials landed? Cast your votes!
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If they have they are kinda jerks. I mean they come all this way and just teach a few people in Mali about astronomy? How about landing in Rome/Peking/London/New York depending on when this happens and giving people something really useful?
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The dogon people do kinda state the obvious- most satrs are part of a multistellar system, 50 years could have been a lucky guess as it is not unusual, etc usw usw.

Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Do stars like Sirius even HAVE planets?
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I don't know, but i assume they'd have a hard time with a superdense companion exerting a pull.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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If they have landed, then everything would be very different.
And yet, I still see religion being human-centric, people considering aliens science fiction, no governments declaring alliances or war with aliens, and most of the people I've met (unless the universe is dominated by Rubber-Forehead Aliens) are most definitely humanoid.
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Has it happened? Maybe. Do I think it has happened? Probably not.

I think we can cast out all (or most) human experiences with extraterrestrials. They are psychological/neurological occurances, not physical ones.

I mean, Greys? Nordics? Reptilians? Come on people, aliens won't look like that. At first glance you'll probably not recognise them as sapient organisms at all, unless they were carrying some sort of equipment. And guess what? We'd be equally alien to them.

And the sorts of procedures they do, don't make sense from a medical point of view. All of that is again, psychological. It has a lot to do with reproductive instincts. I mean, hybridisation? Come on...

Taking over the world? Saving us from atomic war? Environmental damage? Sounds shaky to me. If you're going to complain to a bunch of primitives that they're messing up their planet, don't go to a few nutcases. Go to governments. Not to mention the utter absurdity of those reasons...

Aliens are the ghosts and angels of the present era. The incubi and the succubi, if you will. They just changed with the times; religion and the paranormal fell out of favour, and science fiction came to predominate.

As for Sirius, I somehow doubt it has planets capable of sustaining life. I think the explanation coming from the Dogon people is either information passed on to them by foreigners (from the western world, not from the stars) or is simply a great coincidence between their beliefs and reality.

Doesn't stop alien explorers coming here sometime in the past. Could have happened a few thousand years ago and nobody would be the wiser.

So, yeah. I would give extraterrestrial encounters a little more credence if the sophonts portrayed were not utter rubbish. Other sophonts could have visited our planet in the past, but we certainly don't have much proof, and if they turned up on our doorstep tomorrow, we would spot them pretty easily, with surveys of objects in the vicinity of Earth.
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[rant]I hate greys. And reptilians. And especially the 'star trek alien' (with the exception of species 8472) which is just A PERSON WITH A LINE ON THEIR FACE. Why not just have older people? 'oh no, it's the bingooids!'

strange how greys encounters always seem to happen in the 'trance state' of sleep associated with hallucinations and religious meditation, huh? [/rant]

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Ok I defiantly posted here yesterday. Who's stealing my posts?
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If they have they are kinda jerks. I mean they come all this way and just teach a few people in Mali about astronomy? How about landing in Rome/Peking/London/New York depending on when this happens and giving people something really useful?
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No I'm sure I made another one. Maybe I didn't.
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Honestly? I don't know. On one hand probability goes pretty far against it, I mean, distance and how hard it would be to find us come up. Not to mention a hundred other problems.

Next comes the more obvious biological stuff, yeah, I've heard decent explanations but they sound more sci-fi then sci-fact.

On the other hand, coincidences to show up a bit to often. People claiming to have an alien implant turning out to actually having something in their body that their body isn't reacting too, and that makes no sense to human understanding. Our tech nor science can emulate that.

Most sightings can be explained off, but when a member of the Air Force says he saw something, majority of my explanations go out the window.

Of course both of these go under unexplained. Unexplained just mean unexplained, not "Oh noez itz ze alienz stillin' our women!" but it does leave room to wonder.

That, and I'm bias. I want to beleive these aliens are here. I won't have to go across a galaxy to see alien biology.
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I don't know. I suppose it's possible, but the question that always comes to mind is 'why would they even care'? However, on the show Destination Truth (And yeah, I know, TV is unreliable. Whatever.) they dug up a tiny humanoid in a series of tunnels in a place rumored to have alien landings. It was misshapen, which wouldn't be all that odd, except that the feet were bird-like. Of course, I'm not 100% sure it was real, but the show does seem to be fairly reliable.
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They never have lied about what they found, and usually are pretty skeptical. Look at the one of Mokele-Mbembe.

Did it look like it could have been a deformed child?
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Could have been. Foetus and Baby skeletons look pretty strange.
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