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[ARCHIVED] Postozoic (old); Earth, 25, 100, & 200 MYF -- old thread
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In this world, Earth is inhabited by humans for the next 5 million years, until they finally leave. Even though they have found out how not to harm nature, a mass extinction has occurred, and animals that are Extinct in the Wild have not been released back into the wild of Earth. Plus evolution has been slow as we have not allowed any mutants that have occurred to breed. Here we jump forward to year 25 million, where we will be looking at life. Also I would like to do 100 million years in the future and 200 million years.

World in 25 million years:
California has separated and drifted north west, and is covered in lush forests.

North America has separated from South America (though not by much) and moved slightly North, causing huge taiga in the North, forests around the current U.S.-Canadian border and around the coasts, huge prairie in the center, in Central America is a rainforest, and the south-eastern corner of the U.S. (around Florida to Louisiana, north to Southern Missouri (due to Mississippi river) and north to South Carolina) is a huge swamp from the slightly higher ocean level (due to more ice melted in Antarctica than frozen in Greenland).

South America has drifted slightly northward, causing the entire Northern 2/3 to be covered in rain forest, and the southern third to be covered in savannah.

Antarctica has drifted north too, and the southern half is covered in ice sheets, while the northern half covered in tundra savannah (coniferous trees). This has caused unique fauna to evolve in Antarctica.

Africa has crashed into Gilbratar, blocking off the Mediterranean and causing it to dry out, forming a huge salt desert. The northern half of Africa is dry savannah with Acaica plants littering the landscape, similar to todays African Savannah.

Europe’s western and northern side is covered in forest, the southeastern side is covered in prairie.

Asia is covered in rain forest to the south-east, the center of Asia in a huge strip is covered in forest, and now-Russia is covered in taiga. There is also a huge desert in the area of the Gobi desert today.

Australia has moved northward to the equator and crashed into Papua New Guinea, it is now covered in rain forest everywhere except for the central savannah, not too different from Africa’s savannah.

Africa east of the Nile has broken off and formed East Africa (AKA Lemuria) and is covered in rain-forests.

Madagascar has drifted farther from Africa, and is still covered in rain forest. The primary herbivores are lemurs, the primary carnivores are tenrecs, which are very diverse, resembling hedgehogs, otters, weasels, rats, etc...

Greenland has become bigger by way of the Canadian isles, and has moved northward to become an Australia-sized north pole Antarctica, effectively keeping the sea level at about the same level.

There is also approximately 30% oxygen content in the air from the extra plants in Antarctica, allowing arthropods to become 150% bigger (15 inches big approx), and bigger chordate limit.

You can call the habitats by these names.

Antarctic savannah tundra.
South American savannah/rain forest.
North American grassland plains/forest/Central American rain forest/taiga/swamp.
Californian forest.
West African rain forest/savannah.
East African rain forest.
Madagascar rain forest.
Australian rain forest/savannah.
European forest/grassland plains/Mediterranean desert.
Asian desert/forest/rain forest/taiga.

To name an animal, putting in the begging (name)/(ancestor)/(scientific name, if any)/(habitat) would be nice.

I'll put a survivor list, then creatures I created soon.

I'll also attach an early draft of it I made, but you need Pages (Mac OS X only) or possibly OpenOffice to open it.
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Actually the bipedal herbivores will probably be the descendants of English wallabies. And the muntjac take forms similar to ungulates like antelope, deer, giraffe, horses, and others. The rats (and other rodents) in the trees will not be so diverse, but will probably have a prehensile furred tail.

I think I have South America worked out (after the extinction, not by 25 MYF as new families and orders evolve by then).

For the neo-Amazon the tree herbivores can be possums, monkeys, bats, procyonids, squirrels, porcupines, hoatzin, parrots, and hummingbirds.
The tree carnivores of the neo-Amazon can be South American felids, bats, caracaras, hawks, owls, and opposums.
The ground herbivores of the neo-Amazon can be tinamous, rodents, fowl, and lizards.
The ground carnivores of the neo-Amazon can be South American canids, otters, snakes, and crocodilians.

The prairie herbivores of South America can be armadillos, deer, rats, waterfowl, testudines, and hog noses skunks.
The prairie carnivores can be canids, bitterns, and caracaras.
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I have 2 European forest herbivores.

Walking Wallabies/Wallabies/pedemacropus/European Forest: Walking English wallaby descendants with long necks. Has a body posture similar to the theropod ornithomimus. They are a new order of marsupials, ranging from 1 foot tall to 20 feet tall and are the dominant herbivores of the European forest. The bigger species adults rarely are preyed upon, being bigger than an elephant.
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The walking wallabies are meant to be something like this below, but I'm not a good drawer. The image rights go to Metazoica.
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Muntjaurochs/Muntjac/European Forest: A bovid-built English muntjac descendant. It has C-shaped horns with a branch at the back. They are 10 feet tall and 18 feet long (including tail).
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If you don't mind me asking, how are you transforming the legs of the wallabies for running, and their hips?

Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Well, the ilium needs to go from a 45 degree angle to being straight and wider, and the feet shorten. Then its bipedal.
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i post here some ideas

pikas could evolved into chamois like forms

in africa could be mole like rodents

armadillos could evolve into mole,glyptodont,analogue of rhinoceros (analogue,but not same like)

in south america could be giant rheas,tinamous and flightless hoyatzin

tortoise analogue of crocodiles
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Actually crocodiles keep the niches of their present day niche, and otters take niches north of that.

There is an armadillo analogue to glyptodonts in my project, the pigodillo.
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How do you like the name Postozoic for my project?

--EDIT-- Do you think that it's possible for a walking wallaby to develop carnivorism? Theropods lived for over 150 million years and only a mass extinction the level of KT was able to bring them down. So if they did develop carnivorism (if they can) would they drive out the lynx, wolverines, and foxes in the European forest?
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carnivore wallaby in europe forest is certainly unlikely,there is foxes,cats,wolferines...

more likeli it is carnivore marsupials in australia (if humans shot all dingos and foxes,then have got quolls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quoll potentional )
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Actually there is only lynxes, red foxes, wolverines, and carnivorous baboon which migrates to Europe through the Mediterranean when it was a swamp...

But a carnivorous walking wallaby would have an advantage being bipedal, and the little deer-like ungulates didn't expect to become ambulocetus and basilosaurus, the biggest mammalian (and possibly the biggest of all creatures) carnivore ever...

--EDIT-- There was also propleopus oscillans, the carnivorous kangaroo.
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Lynxes,foxes,wolferines or baboons have got more potentional than that european carnivorous wallaby
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Okay, but that doesn't exclude the possibility of them sharing the carnivore niches, does it?

I got a carnivore for the European forest:
Maned Fox/Red Fox/European Forest: A 4.5 foot tall red fox that looks like a giant maned wolf.


--EDIT-- I'm thinking of 100 MYF being shared by birds, marsupials, eutherians, and reptiles, and to a lesser extent monotremes.

With Antarctica being isolated and the main inhabitants being animals like bats, birds, land dwelling kinkajou, armadillos, new world porcupines, and land dwelling opossums, there could be a new infraclass of mammals. But what kind of new reproduction system could evolve from it? Or it could be feathered porcupines. The point is could there be a new infraclass of mammals in Antarctica?

For it I like either feathered porcupines, marsupial-like eutherians, or reproduction system similar to Metazoicas tetrelabrates.

--EDIT 2-- I've been thinking that for 100 MYF to remove the kochlidtheres and make the lizard successor shrews because I think it's too close to Canis Lupus TFIB and that shrews have more potential than snails. By 200 MYF I'm thinking that snails might be replaced by cockroaches, beetles, herbivorous spiders, land crustaceans, lizards, or small mammals like shrews.

Also, soon I want to do a collection of all species and ideas to be put in 1 post so that you can just see that post for species that have been made since then.

On a side note, what is a champion spectator?

--EDIT 3-- I'm thinking that there could be mole analogues of turtles living in 100 MYF.
And for 200 MYF we're probably just going to focus on the rainforests at the coasts of pangea II. There will probably be some tetrapods in the desert with good urine concentrations (could a mammal get that?), and if there are rainforests at the coasts will there be savannas between the rain forest and desert? And will Antarctica collide, or will it stay as a separate continent filled with rain forests and ruled by mammals, birds, and crocodilians?
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For 100 MYF I've also been thinking of replacing the tree octopus with a carnivorous primate.

Also, I wonder if there could be 60 MYF and 150 MYF for more creatures. And possibly a 250 MYF?
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I have a new species for 200 MYF (I think it's the first of that period).

Wolfowl/Junglefowl/Indian coastline Pangea II: A 2-2.5 foot tall gray-brown quadrupedal bird descended from the mega fowl. Its front feet have changed into paw-like feet, its beak it curved, it has sharp teeth, and pack hunts. Note: The name is a mixture of wolf and fowl, not wolf and owl.
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For Pangea II I'm thinking that flying lizards will take most herbivore niches, the remaining flying birds will take bat-like niches, and the carnivorous bird niches can be taken by flying descendants of bats, cats, flying squirrels, or sifakas.
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I have the list of ideas:

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Set in Stone Ideas (Ones that haven’t already got at least 1 species for them):

Giant arboreal herbivorous rats in 25 MYF European forests. They have a furred prehensile tail.

Giant English water deer descendants in the European prairie of 25 MYF.

Lynx in the European forest of 25 MYF.

Wolverines in the European forest of 25 MYF.

Carnivorous birds as the aerial predators of 100 MYF.

Flying lizards with pterosaur-like wings that started from rib membranes that have 2 fingers outside of the wing. Main aerial herbivores of 100 MYF.

Arboreal geckos as main arboreal herbivore of 100 MYF.

Muntjac descendants in 25 MYF Europe forest that takes forms similar to giraffes, antelope, deer, horses, and other ungulates.


Possible Ideas:

Carnivorous spiked cockroaches are the main predators of the Pangea desert, if no tetrapods live in it.

Beetles and ants are the main herbivores of the Pangea desert, if no tetrapods live in it.

Some kind of treeshrew in the South American rain forest of 25 MYF.

Eutherian kangaroo descended from jerboas in the Asian desert of 25 MYF, that gives birth to small helpless young, similar to allotheres.

Ground sloth analogue descended from South American monkeys in the rain forests of South America in either 25 or 100 MYF.

Mole analogues of echidnas in 25 MYF Australia.

Small-medium sized herbivorous echidna in 25 MYF Australia.

Feathered mammals that originated from quills in either Antarctic porcupines, opossums, or flying phalangers in either 25 or 100 MYF. A new subclass of mammals.

A new subclass of mammals in Antarctica descended from eutherians with a reproduction system similar to marsupials or Metazoicas tetralabrates.

Snails replaced by herbivorous spiders, lizards, cockroaches, beetles, land crustaceans, or small shrew-like mammals by 200 MYF.

A mole analogue in 100 MYF that is a tortoise.


Animals that can be Replaced:

Kochlidtheres with shrews.

Tree octopi with carnivorous primates.


South America after humanity:

For the neo-Amazon the tree herbivores can be possums, monkeys, bats, procyonids, squirrels, porcupines, hoatzin, parrots, and hummingbirds.
The tree carnivores of the neo-Amazon can be South American felids, bats, caracaras, hawks, owls, and opposums.
The ground herbivores of the neo-Amazon can be tinamous, rodents, fowl, and lizards.
The ground carnivores of the neo-Amazon can be South American canids, otters, snakes, and crocodilians.

The prairie herbivores of South America can be armadillos, deer, rats, waterfowl, testudines, and hog noses skunks.
The prairie carnivores can be canids, bitterns, and caracaras.
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i hate that idea from future is wild-all mammals,birds are extinct in age of pangea II..this is unreal
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