Creatures from Fallout 3

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Creatures from Fallout 3
Topic Started: Jan 1 2010, 02:51 AM (1,175 Views)
TheCoon	Jan 1 2010, 02:51 AM Post #1
Happy merry Jesusmas inhabitants of the Spec Forums! Posts: 646 Group: Members Member #241 Joined: Oct 20, 2009 Nationality: Mexican Favorite Quote: I have not told half of what I saw, for I knew I wouldn't be belived -Marco Polo	http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Creatures My question is: Is there the possibility for the radiation of a place to be stong enougth to deform and mutate a species into another one, but without killing the animal?
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lamna	Jan 1 2010, 04:48 AM Post #2
Posts: 21,140 Group: Global Mods Member #26 Joined: Jul 1, 2008 Gender: Male Nationality: British	I don't think so, the would either be normal or die of cancer. Remember the Fallout universe does not work based on science, it's based on SCIENCE!
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ItHasTeeth	Jan 16 2010, 10:05 PM Post #3
Megaposter Posts: 274 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: Jun 4, 2008 Nationality: Caucasian	Hmmmm... Actually, I can't take a side as far as whether it is or it isn't possible for radiation to create new species. Bare with me here... Radiation affects the body by breaking down DNA (among other things). It could theoretically be possible for weak enough radiation to cause mutations to occur that could result in a non lethal change. But nonlethality is also the hitch in this idea, because such damage usually results in either cell death or cancer (neither is good, as we all know). So in that sense, no it's not possible. I would dig around a little for more information. You could look up how events like Hiroshima or the Chernobyl incident affected the wildlife, as well as how radiation affects a living organisms (more specifically). Edited by ItHasTeeth, Jan 16 2010, 10:06 PM.



Temporary	Jan 17 2010, 10:17 AM Post #4
Transhuman Posts: 2,092 Group: Members Member #167 Joined: Apr 29, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: USA	I think it was called the Bikini Atoll, maybe, somewhere where we tested Atomic Weaponry, the sharks number of fins changed. I remember seeing it on a tv special called 'Radioactive Paradise'. Now, odds are that this is controlled by a single gene, so if warped, or if the epigenome (can an epigenome be influenced by radiation?) gets effected drastic changed should be possible happening, though, I doubt an alteration of the epigenome could create a new species, so it would have to be genetic. So, giants are pretty obviously possible, sense (as far as I know) one gene starts the growth and the other stops it. Like in Ligers, the one that stops the growth is completely missing. The fin thing shows extra limbs could happen (the usefulness of these limbs are debatable, I have never seen a mutation lead to extra functional limbs). Thanks, ItHasTeeth, if you hadn't mentioned nukes I never would have remember that show or thought of any of that.
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ItHasTeeth	Jan 17 2010, 11:06 AM Post #5
Megaposter Posts: 274 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: Jun 4, 2008 Nationality: Caucasian	Temporary Jan 17 2010, 10:17 AM I think it was called the Bikini Atoll, maybe, somewhere where we tested Atomic Weaponry, the sharks number of fins changed. I remember seeing it on a tv special called 'Radioactive Paradise'. Now, odds are that this is controlled by a single gene, so if warped, or if the epigenome (can an epigenome be influenced by radiation?) gets effected drastic changed should be possible happening, though, I doubt an alteration of the epigenome could create a new species, so it would have to be genetic. So, giants are pretty obviously possible, sense (as far as I know) one gene starts the growth and the other stops it. Like in Ligers, the one that stops the growth is completely missing. The fin thing shows extra limbs could happen (the usefulness of these limbs are debatable, I have never seen a mutation lead to extra functional limbs). Thanks, ItHasTeeth, if you hadn't mentioned nukes I never would have remember that show or thought of any of that. Couldn't find anything about sharks with extra fins... actually Bikini Atoll looks like it's doing quite well (wouldn't have known it was a bomb test sight unless someone told me). Found the wiki entry on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll#The_island_today



Holben	Jan 17 2010, 11:36 AM Post #6
Rumbo a la Victoria Posts: 14,334 Group: Admin Member #220 Joined: Sep 18, 2009 Area of expertise: Xenobiology	Bikini Atoll.. the name is funny, how would you know unless it was called 'Nuclear Atoll'? Radiation affects by ionising atoms, and when it ionizes DNA, it can kill the cell or turn it cancerous. The cell could replicate a mutation, but itwould be so small and 99% of mutations are detrimental anyway.
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janlor	Jun 26 2016, 04:58 AM Post #7
Adolescent Posts: 347 Group: Members Member #290 Joined: Mar 26, 2010 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Xenobiology Nationality: polish	changing a fully developed organism via radiation is impossible, it is possible however for it offspring to be deformed by it google mutated fish and see fish after fukushima to see
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Nyarlathotep	Jun 26 2016, 06:53 AM Post #8
The Creeping Chaos Posts: 1,301 Group: Members Member #1,358 Joined: Mar 2, 2014 Gender: Male Area of expertise: Future Evolution Nationality: English Gender: Redundant much redundant?	Plausibility aside, it would be really interesting to see or compile a consistent stats figure for the function ability and performance of Fallout organisms. The wiki is pretty inconsistent in many ways, as things like super mutants 'hunching over' makes zero sense, while 800+ lb in weight seems way too much for something that is only 7'8/7'10 (depending on how you interpret the dot in 7.8), though I could buy it for like 8'6 or more. And the statement of their flesh being 'extremely tough' is hard to interpret as well. I've literally seen people on Reddit claim it is 'harder than concrete' with skin as strong as steel, which is not what lore or mechanics suggests to be true, and that melee is impossible against mutants- which I cannot but personally. You really telling me a super sledge or shishkebab would be useless against an unarmoured mutant? I don't think so. Behemoths of course for east coast varieties are in another category all together- they can be 15-20 feet tall for Institute ones (depending on subtype) and anywhere from 13-22 for the Capital Wasteland. Their strength must be staggering. And there is also debate on the biology and durability of deathclaws too.



GlarnBoudin	Jun 26 2016, 09:18 AM Post #9
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DroidSyber	Jun 26 2016, 11:41 AM Post #10
I'll cut ya swear on me mum Posts: 649 Group: Members Member #1,853 Joined: Jan 12, 2016 Gender: Male Nationality: Oh Oh Canadah Favorite Quote: "Resting and Digesting" Also known as: NinjaSquirrel Gender: Ace	Something people often tend to forget is that radiation didn't create most of the strange creatures. Rather, a mutagenic virus that had been developed during and after the war. Deathclawes, Centaurs, Mirelurks, Bohemeths, fire ants, and a bunch of other ones.
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Mega-raptor	Jun 26 2016, 12:19 PM Post #11
Is a Natural Mediator Posts: 165 Group: Members Member #1,910 Joined: Apr 24, 2016 Gender: Male Nationality: What do I put here? Favorite Quote: "Life finds a way" Also known as: The Newgen Professor or... Nutjob Gender: Uh... Next Question?	That FEV virus was basically the main creator of many species, while super mutants are the effect upon human inhabitants with the Fev virus. Deathclaws are experiments of harsh genetic engineering on Jackson's chameleons, most losing their color changing abilities. A majority of vertebrates are created from from the nuclear fallout, in which the states at the time before the war were coated in fusion cores and likewise miniature-nuclear power plants of sorts that when the main smaller bombs went off it added onto the whole explosion of nuclear destruction causing hundreds of years of radiation from hundreds upon thousands of mini-nuclear plants being detonated. While the Mirelurks are from the colder climates and some radiation, Arthropods in colder climates typically are larger, so in order to adapt these arthropods got larger and ended up getting tougher. While Mirelurk hunters are basically in a way a giant lobster, possibly with faster growth in comparison to a normal species. Meanwhile Stingwings, Bloatflies, and Radscorpions are from the need to get bigger from a possible exponential growth in oxygen, because there may have been regions unaffected by a bomb and only the particles and plants scientifically are more resilient against rads, so a area such as the Amazon, may have become exponentially more lush, and in order not to die of oxygen poisoning they got larger and happen to adapt further. Though this is speculation because the series only revolves around the Irradiated North America. Edited by Mega-raptor, Jun 26 2016, 12:45 PM.
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