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The Moon, Pandora, from the film "Avatar"
Topic Started: Dec 20 2009, 02:13 PM (8,075 Views)
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I took someone's suggestion and created another topic to speculate on the moon's inhabitants' evolution.

So...speculate!
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How would the creatures know that humanity was destroying their environment?


Not the environment per se, but the creatures WOULD attack the human invaders that were destroying their nests and other homes. Like bees and their honeycombs.

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Besides, when man is destroying environments on Earth, animals have a tendency to run away. Why is it not this way on Pandora?


Different planets and moons, different behaviors of fauna ON those different planets and moons.

Not only that, these are large and fearsome creatures that seem to be capable of defending their nests and other such homes and also they're connected to a network and may have some understanding that these invaders must be stopped.

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Strange behaviours, though I suppose it's not that odd if they have never seen humans and humans technology before.
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As I understood Jake asked for help on the tree of souls which is the main upload place to the Eywa the planet network.

Since each tree acts like a neuron (with 10 000 conections with the trees around, it's actualy much greater than a neuron) so the planet is like a brain! Capable to think. As Dra. Grace said it have more conection than our brain so can process more infromation if so I'm not impressed that Eywa got the mensage (specialy taking some time to processe it, since the conection speed should be lower), now who Eywa send the mensage to the animals I don't know... They would need to conect to Eywa throw an upload point at places like the trees of voices (Utral Aymokriyä) to recieve the mensage/plan...
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Probably the creatures were connected to the plants when Eywa sent the message? Coincidence maybe?
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While playing the video game, my first thought was that the carnivorous plants actually had some sort of basic intelligence, along with sufficiently complex sensory systems that could allow them to recognize the humans that went out of their way to destroy them, and that the Na'vi attacked them. Of course, it's far-fetched, but plausible.

My main concern is the blue plants. BLUE is too important in photosynthesis to be reflected. Could they be entirely mineral/nutrient-reliant, or perhaps even filter-feeders?


Fear of humans is entirely developed. We are the most powerful destructive force on our planet, so animal populations that co-exist with us avoid us like the plague. Even on Earth, in places where humans have never or rarely been, the wildlife isn't quite so skittish. Besides, a fight between a thanator and a two or three AMP Suits (anthropomorphic tanks, or, if you prefer, "Mechs") seems a pretty fair fight. To some of those things, humans are just a dangerous food source, like wolves taking down buffalo or caribou.
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The animals needed to be connected to trees like the trees of souls, their the only ones that animals can access to Eywa..

Blue is not important to photosynthesis, they "transform" the blue into red, red is the most important, and we're talking about photosynthesis based in chlorophyla, there are photosynthesis that use greens, yellows, "deep red" and UVA.
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Are you plausible?

I understood the animals' defense of Pandora to be a direct response to Jake Sully's "Heads up" he gives to the "Eywa" network. It was explained that "Eywa" is only concerned with the balance of Pandora's ecology, and "doesn't take sides." But Jake Sully says that humans "killed their mother, and were going to kill [her] too"; plenty of reason for an eco-regulating super-brain to get involved, if you ask me. :)

Even if it is just some big coincidence, the characters in the movie clearly interpreted it as "Eywa heard you!!!"
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What if The larger creatures of Pandora(basicly the ones who help) Sleep while connecting to Eywa getting Dream like stimulation from this connection which has evolved into an instinctual need to nest at sites where Eywa can be connected?
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What if the Na'vi aren't primitive, and have built Pandora from a earth like world using biotechnology and then decided to go all Anarcho-Primitivist. It would make sense for their ancestors to include some kind of defence mechanism in the world.
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That could work to but it has no aknowledgement in the film if true.
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I tink they left some questions open.
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Probably Though how should we solve them GMing or evolution?
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GM, a long time ago. That's my thought. Maybe the civilized Na'vi left and created a nice safe place for their lazy hippies to enjoy, who slowly evolved into the current Na'vi, and grew some balls in the process, which is why they talk like pacifists but are really rather fierce.
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To be fair, Canis, most of the animals that supposedly 'took sides' as it were, were simply just being territorial. You'll notice that those enormous frilled rhino-type herbivores were mentioned to be extremely territorial. As Jake Sully discovered, to fend them off, all you have to do is stand your ground. Which the attacking humans did not, and thus were trampled. The feline-type animals (Forgive my lack of proper names), the ones that attacked Jake at night, were also shown to be attacking the humans. To me, that makes sense as well. A pack of these things attacked Jake's Avatar, so they seem to be active hunters. Humans are remarkably easy meals.


Also, I have a theory to why the Na'vi are blue. As stated before, the oxygen level in the atmoshpere is low. Unoxidozed blood is blue. Seems simple enough.


I also agree that Pandora, at the least the jungle area were the movie takes place, has a sort of...computer-like quality, for lack of a better term. It can store memories, and succesfully transported Jake's mind perminantly into his Avatar.
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Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth.

I guess that makes sense.

those hammerhead things are called titanotheres BTW.

I forget what the wolf-like things were called.

I guess that explains why the thanator (which seems to follow titanothere herds) appeared.

And hearing the dying cries of the bonded mountain banshees may have attracted the remaining mountain banshees.

Though I still don't get why the thanator offered itself to that female Na'vi that Jake falls in love with.
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