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| The Moon, Pandora, from the film "Avatar" | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 20 2009, 02:13 PM (8,059 Views) | |
| Yorick | Dec 20 2009, 02:13 PM Post #1 |
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I took someone's suggestion and created another topic to speculate on the moon's inhabitants' evolution. So...speculate! |
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"I believe, that whatever doesn't kill you, simply makes you...stranger" -The Dark Knight (2008) | |
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| Holben | Dec 20 2009, 02:14 PM Post #2 |
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Rumbo a la Victoria
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The Na'vi seem totally different to the rest. Perhaps, as Lamna said, they are adapted aliens? |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| Cynovolans | Dec 20 2009, 08:59 PM Post #3 |
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I noticed it was common for mammalian-like aliens to have the two front limbs rather close to each other. The lemurs which, I think Canis Lupus said were probably relatives to the Na'vi, had limbs fused together all the way to the elbow. I also noticed that their "horses" had pairs of holes or nostrils along their neck. |
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I wish I could give the public a true picture of the queen as she appeared at her best, but this would be impossible, even had she permitted a photograph to be taken, for her charming play of expression while in conversation, the character and intellect which were then revealed, were only half seen when the face was in repose. -Lilias Underwood when speaking of Empress Myeongseong "I was born in the dark. I went out into the light, and your Majesty, it is my displeasure to inform you that I have returned to the dark. I envision a Seoul of towering buildings filled with Western establishments that will place herself back above the Japanese barbarians. Great things lie ahead for the Kingdom, great things. We must take action, your Majesty, without hesitation, to further modernize this still ancient kingdom."-Min Young-ik to Empress Myeongseong | |
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| Canis Lupis | Dec 20 2009, 09:04 PM Post #4 |
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Dinosaurs eat man, woman inherits the Earth.
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Either those holes are used for breathing or it is used for the Na'vi to connect to the direhorses. |
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| Cynovolans | Dec 20 2009, 09:07 PM Post #5 |
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I think it was for breathing as the only close up to the holes on the neck were when the Na'vi woman said "Feel her breathe". |
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I wish I could give the public a true picture of the queen as she appeared at her best, but this would be impossible, even had she permitted a photograph to be taken, for her charming play of expression while in conversation, the character and intellect which were then revealed, were only half seen when the face was in repose. -Lilias Underwood when speaking of Empress Myeongseong "I was born in the dark. I went out into the light, and your Majesty, it is my displeasure to inform you that I have returned to the dark. I envision a Seoul of towering buildings filled with Western establishments that will place herself back above the Japanese barbarians. Great things lie ahead for the Kingdom, great things. We must take action, your Majesty, without hesitation, to further modernize this still ancient kingdom."-Min Young-ik to Empress Myeongseong | |
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| Empyreon | Dec 21 2009, 02:57 AM Post #6 |
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Are you plausible?
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I've moved this thread to the Habitable Zone, since it deals with the life on other planets and moons. I'm also figuring out how to merge it with the previously started thread regarding the matter. The leonopterix (big red flyer) had the same shoulder nostrils (and I shake my fist at them for stealing that idea from my nereids! ). The dire horses had 'antennae' (again, like the banshees and leonopterix) which they used to connect with their rider.As far as the difference between the Na'vi and the rest of the showcased life, I'm comfortable chalking it up to evolutionary divergence and looking at the prolemuris for intermediation. I mean, the eyes, nose, and even ears are quite similar, and it seems to have only a single 'nerve antenna' like that Na'vi (who had theirs in that ponytail) while everything else seemed to have a bilateral pair. |
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Take a look at my exobiology subforum of the planet Nereus! COM Contributions food for thought
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| ATEK Azul | Dec 21 2009, 12:17 PM Post #7 |
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Note I have not seen the movie. But it sounds like many of the creatures are evolving into forms simlular to the (I think this is the name) Gyrosprinter from Alien Planet. Also Is the entire world tropical because that might be hard to atain/sustain if it is circling around a gas giant or other large planet. Also if they have Shoulder nostrils they might have large nerve clusters in their shoulders for transporting smell information to the brain and using their front limbs. These nerve clusters might also be in the process of becoming 1 as their limbs gravitate towards each other. Why would these life forms have blue skin and do all of the "Mammals" have a form of Bioluminesence? Some more thoughts are that the Main group of life(or atleast the sentient species) might have evolved from Parasites of predators who used their nerve antenna either to atain nutrients and safty from thier host or if they were predators they might have used it to paralyse prey. |
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| Ànraich | Dec 21 2009, 01:36 PM Post #8 |
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L'évolution Spéculative est moi
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That's actually not so far-fetched, the jungle thing. Gas planets can give off a lot of heat, and a lot of infrared light, not to mention what kind of greenhouse gas-saturated atmosphere it must have due to tidal heating. What I'm wondering about is the day/night cycles. It's not like the moon would rotate on an axis, so there would be long periods of light and long periods of darkness, and seasons relating to the moon's position and the planet's position (no light can fall on it when the moon is on the dark side of the planet). Surely it must get very cold during that time? |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| ATEK Azul | Dec 21 2009, 01:54 PM Post #9 |
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See with long dark periods a Jungle doesn't seem sustainable in my view or does the moon move in such a way that it takes thousands of years to go to complete darkness? If so then does the world go from tropical to ice age in routine cycles? Again if so then these life forms might actually have a way to adapt to this quickly. Maybe when their world gets cold or the light goes away it triguers a genetic change which morphs life into an ice age form(simular to some locusts but more dramatic and less often)? |
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| Holben | Dec 21 2009, 03:13 PM Post #10 |
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If there was a survival filter, it might mean there are fewer large animals, because they can't adapt so quickly. Perhaps that could be a sign? |
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Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea. "It is the old wound my king. It has never healed." | |
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| ATEK Azul | Dec 21 2009, 03:15 PM Post #11 |
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Sorry I don't get what your saying could you explain? |
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| Empyreon | Dec 21 2009, 04:08 PM Post #12 |
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The bulk of the movie takes place in jungle, but there is a point where two other biomes are shown: a rocky coastal region heavily populated by flyers and a plains area that was the realm of dire horses (and their "Rohirrim").
This is something my wife and I discussed after watching the movie. In some shots the parent jovian planet was clearly visible, as well as other orbiting moons and their eclipse shadows. Eclipse shadows mean that the angle of the parent planet's rotation is not high (low?) enough to keep Pandora in consistent sunlight. So the only solutions that comes to my mind are that a) Pandora's parent planet generates/reflects enough heat onto it that the temperature doesn't fatally drop, or b) Pandora's revolution period is short enough that it doesn't have enough time to fatally drop.
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Take a look at my exobiology subforum of the planet Nereus! COM Contributions food for thought
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| ATEK Azul | Dec 21 2009, 04:31 PM Post #13 |
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Okay so we do have other habitats and that makes sense. We also have many different possibillities for this planets orbit most likely being slow or fast and not inbetween. So which should we use for this? And I would also like to know what a survival filter is along the meaning of "it could be a sign"? |
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| Empyreon | Dec 21 2009, 04:51 PM Post #14 |
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I would go with fast. It's a much more elegant solution than inventing some sort of prolonged "ice age" season where the entire biosphere has to shift gears and wait until the light comes back (and of which there is no evidence in the movie). |
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Take a look at my exobiology subforum of the planet Nereus! COM Contributions food for thought
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| ATEK Azul | Dec 21 2009, 05:08 PM Post #15 |
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Okay fast it is. Is there any thing else you guys can tell me about these lifeforms? Also what are the Plants like? |
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). The dire horses had 'antennae' (again, like the banshees and leonopterix) which they used to connect with their rider.



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