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The Incredible Tool Using Octopi
Topic Started: Dec 15 2009, 11:34 AM (2,104 Views)
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I think they would just need heat. But even if the creature is able to use tools, that dosen't mean that it's in process of sapience. In fact, gorillas and orangutans also use tools and even if they're smart, we're sure that they won't become a sapient species in the future. On the other hand, this might be the beginning of sapience for cepalopods. First the simple tool manipulation, then the use of fire (or volcanic heat in this case?), the development of those simple tools into more advanced once, and who knows. Maybe one day if humans become extinct or they leave the planet, future generations of intelligent octopi might appear.
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It is true that Humans don't think any thing else is like us on Earth. But part of me think tons of animals(like certain Apes, Elephants and Cephalopods) might(possibly) have the brain capacity even if not the right bodies(like Crows and Dolphins) to evolve sentience.

Of cource this site has an antisentient mind set in our projects(exept for a few like YellowDrakeX) because of our want for diversity and healthy enviroments.
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I once worked in a future project in which humans poluted every single place on Earth, but it was unexciting due to the similarity of all the creatures across the world, so I left it unfinished. I think that we don't like sapience because we might also think that those intelligent life forms might create the same mistakes humans did, and all the creatures will become similar due to all the habitats in the planet becoming also similar. What I seek in a speculative evo project is plausible exoticness, and I think you all seek that too.
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I definantly do especially since for me creativity is 1st and realistic stuff is 2nd.

Also I would love a Spec Project with a unique sentient species(or a few) that are advanced but care deeply about their worlds ecosystems(something like a modern form of Elves in behavior) and instead of destroying it the help it using things like GMing and breeding to help things survive.

That is my dream for a project.
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I also put imagination first. I actually first imagine the creatures, with no scientific bases at all, and then I correct them with the evolution principles.
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Same here though some times I make them beleavable for different physics instead of our own, like the laws of Comic universes or fantasy worlds instead of normal(though I add some normal physics to make them beleavable in some way).
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Cuthulu, why would we need to leave the planet? Couldn't they just go deeper.

Actually, with how little we know about the ocean floor, I can imagine something could hide down there from us. Something at a caveman level. Though, I doubt it could actually evolve there.
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Dec 15 2009, 06:40 PM
You don't even need heat resistance! All you need is a long stick...You find underwater...Where there are no trees... :(
You still can't melt steel this way.

Also electricity...
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If you can focus electricity you might be able to work metal with it under water.

Also are you saying volcanism won't work or just the stick idea?
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The volcanism idea would burn the creature up, due to how close the creature need to be to effectively utilize it.
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Not nescisarily many creatures live on hydrothermal vents and survive nicely.
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Yes, but in order to use the volcanoes for metal working, you'd have to stick the metal into the lava. That would destroy the metal and disintegrate your tentacle.
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use one o' them vents to power a mill. the gushing water spins one o' them wheels which in turn does the whole electricity making process of a power plant and you just fry the ore into whatever you want.

along with yourself and your underwater family and friends.
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But again, in order to use one of those vents, the octopus would have to live very deep down on the ocean floor. It would most likely get crushed by the high gravity.

Personally, I think octopi will find some way to utilize the limestone skeletons of coral for housing and for weapons and tools. At least in the primitive stages of their existance.
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Dec 16 2009, 08:21 PM
If you can focus electricity you might be able to work metal with it under water.

Also are you saying volcanism won't work or just the stick idea?
The problem is, that water conducts both heat and electricity better than air. This means that as soon as an underwater civilisation comes in contact with a source of heat and electricity for the first time, they drop this idea almost immediately. ("Ohhh, what's this, it looks so warm, I might cook my meal here... *POP*" "Hey guys, Carl just popped, maybe we shouldn't go near the vents. >_>") A key aspect of a civilisation is to create tools. If a species can't create tools, they can't create a civilisation. And it seems that underwater species can't create tools. So, unless they can somehow breed tools out of themselves, (kinda like a hive being... or slime-mold-esque) they are restricted to what they've got.
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