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A Speculative Dinosaur Project; What if dinos never died out?
Topic Started: Nov 8 2009, 11:28 AM (3,389 Views)
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What if all non-avian dinosaurs didn't die out? After Dougal Dixon's famous book The New Dinosaurs: An Alternate Evolution many different people have asked that question. I will try to answer it.

Anybody who wants to is welcome to join. I'm a pretty crappy artist so I will probably need the assistance of 1 or 2 artists.
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Because I can't stay calm when my berserk button is pushed.
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Whats with this recurrent "bats wont evolve" theme I find on this forum... Why is everyone hating on bats?

p.s. seriously...although in the scientific community the "outcompeted by birds" idea might be fading, it is not (yet) common knowledge such that being oblivious to it automatically makes someone stupid. (I do understand that you love pterosaurs though and so I understand your reaction a little bit). Maybe next time just cite a journal review or two and that might settle the matter once and for all. While its obvious you have great knowledge and probably in 99% of the cases you are right...thats just how science works...you have to back your shit up.
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I know. I have an entire list of refferences to be used.

As for bats, I'd rather prefer primitive mammals instead of bats like volaticotheres thank you
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Paul_de_Vries
Nov 10 2009, 06:39 PM
Whats with this recurrent "bats wont evolve" theme I find on this forum... Why is everyone hating on bats?

p.s. seriously...although in the scientific community the "outcompeted by birds" idea might be fading, it is not (yet) common knowledge such that being oblivious to it automatically makes someone stupid. (I do understand that you love pterosaurs though and so I understand your reaction a little bit). Maybe next time just cite a journal review or two and that might settle the matter once and for all. While its obvious you have great knowledge and probably in 99% of the cases you are right...thats just how science works...you have to back your shit up.
1st I think every one in the usa of common and non-proffesional knowledge beleaves Birds killed Pterosaurs.

And 2nd The bat thing is an oxymoron type thing here becuase the site hates Bats but all Mammals have to evolve into Bats as the birdless topic shows well.
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funny but I actually kinda like bats :( Their alright in my books
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funny but I actually kinda like bats :( Their alright in my books
Same with me but we are the exeption that doesn't contrdict(as far as I know).
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I don't think the site hates bats, I find them alright, it's just fun to have alternative groups of animals to speculate about.

Back on topic what would Antartica be like, there would proably still be penguins seeing that they evolved early on in the Paleocene.
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I don't fuckin hate bats. I like bats. And on the birdless topic everyone is retarded because the whole point was to have mammals with feather like structures to form their wings, not having all mammals becoming bat like
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Well, I never said you hated bats.

Now back on topic what are the top predators on the major landmasses?
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They probably aren't flying.

JohnFaa: I've got so used to your violent annoyingness i'm just blanking it out now.
You could just say you're wrong, but since you never will,
birds hadn't just evolved at the end of the cretacous. They'd been around for millions of years by then, albeit in primitive forms.

Pterosaurs WERE declining, like it or not. I haven't heard any other theories except the birds one.

Happy now?
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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And you're interesting-discussion-destroying randomness pretty much does the same thing to me. Period.

And, as if it wasn't enough bad, you don't use arguments, at least convincing ones. You just say that I'm wrong based on theories that aren't even taken seriously anymore. And you state things I haven't even said: for instance, I NEVER said birds were a late Cretaceous phenomena, in fact I refferenced this fact in a line in my post. Stop making shit up.

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Pterosaurs WERE declining, like it or not. I haven't heard any other theories except the birds one


Based on what? I am the only person here who actually knows anything of pterosaurs, and since you pretty much ignored my post you totally ignored that pterosaurs were not declining. Your obsession in pissing me off pretty much blinded you.

I will not repeat the reasons why pterosaurs weren't declining, because anyone with a functional brain must know already after all the time I've been here.
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Jeepers.

Erm, how many of the small to medium pterosaurs were there in the cretacous? There were big and medium ones, yes, but that's not what i'm getting at.

I no longer write random posts, not because of you, but perhaps because of the people on this site who understand how everyone else thinks. And i don't care whether you don't like it or not.

You allude to the fragmented fossil record, it's true, but we would still find more pterosaurs if there were many more.

Theories no one uses any more? No convincing arguments? You make me laugh.

That's what i wanted to get in before these posts are censored thanks to your incessant and purposeless swearing.

Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

"It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."
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If I swear, its because I like to express that the whole concept of "swearing" is stupid: words are just words, and people shouldn't censor words because our vocabulary shouldn't have fronteirs.

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Theories no one uses any more? No convincing arguments? You make me laugh.


No one uses decline as a serious hypothesis anymore, at least no one that knows anything about pterosaurs. Things like the middle Cretaceous ecological turbulences are nowdays prefered. And seriously there's more suggesting that than decline. I mean, mammals did got pretty big since the Jurassic, and yet did they ever jumped into conquering niches formerly held by dinosaurs? No, and saying birds replaced pterosaurs is about as absurd.
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Erm... i don't know much about the ecological turbulences. I'll get back to you.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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In the mean time, take this message home: pterosaurs, unlike birds and bats, occupied several niches across their lifetime. This is because they were independent from their parents from the moment they were born, as they could already fly; since pterosaurs would grow relatively slowly, how many niches would something as big and slow growing as Quetzalcoatlus occupy before reaching sexual maturity?

This partially the reason why pterosaurs didn't had as many species as birds, and yet were still quite diverse. For instance, modern crocs only have 23 big sized species, and yet each one of them occupies three or four ecological niches in their lifetime
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