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Terrasaurus; Parallel earth were diapsod dragons rule
Topic Started: Oct 7 2009, 08:20 PM (3,376 Views)
ItHasTeeth
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Trying to get some outside insight on this. It's in desperate need of revision and I'm trying to get back into it.
Any ideas, words of wisdom, etc.?
Concepts are welcome.

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Oct 12 2009, 09:02 PM
That's what they said about stepping on a butterfly...
Well, obviously in this case it led to dragons, so I guess that's pretty big... XD
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How big? I can see 5-10m dragons with our physics.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Yeah, how big do dragons get?
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Your stereotypical dragon? 8-20m.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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The 1s that are 20m long have lost the ability to fly.
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Have you met one recently? :lol:
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Yes, most large dragons do not fly. Currently, I do not know how large the wyverns get, how ever, but thet probably don't get to any monumental sizes...

Now, Pterosaurs, what let them get so big?

Also, mammals, birds, and non-draconian reptiles: any thoughts?
Most mammals are kin to those seen during our Earth's Paleocene.
I'm thinking multituberculates taking over instead of rodents, and plesiadapiforms still being present, but as nocturnal hunters.

Aquatic mammals... were there many during the Paleocene?
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The mammals are great and realistic, the dragons wouldn't let rodents evolve and therefore multi's persist, and plesiadapids are also great, but you can also have true primates persist, though relatively primitive being more like lemurs and tarsiers. As for pterosaurs, hollow bones and air-sacs found throughout the body and wings, therefore they could remain pretty light while attaining larger than average sizes !As for ideas...why not include some fossa-like mammals that are adept bird hunters, and baby dragon hunters ;)



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The mammals are great and realistic, the dragons wouldn't let rodents evolve and therefore multi's persist, and plesiadapids are also great, but you can also have true primates persist, though relatively primitive being more like lemurs and tarsiers. As for pterosaurs, hollow bones and air-sacs found throughout the body and wings, therefore they could remain pretty light while attaining larger than average sizes !As for ideas...why not include some fossa-like mammals that are adept bird hunters, and baby dragon hunters ;)
Sure about tarsiers? when did they come about? As far as primates, they'de probably be small & basal, much like you suggested.

I like the fossa idea, kind of how I saw my plesiadapiforms (though the animals I drew probably would be placed in their own group because their skulls seem very different...)

My mother found a great book on fossil vertebrates that I should look through for more ideas.
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Tarsiers came about in the Eocene, but they are Haplorrhines, so I'm not sure if such advanced forms would arise, but you can make tarsier-like forms from the primitive primates. As for the predatory plesiadapids, I can't wait to see them, and if you want a suggestions for them, why not add killing claws onto their thumbs, not too unlike Thylacoleo ? And yes, look through the book, not only will it supply you with ideas for mammals, but also your dragons ! ^_^



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Regarding aquatic mammals in the Paleocene there's aquatic cimolestans and monotremates, but thats about it (unless multies and metatheres took the water). Make of that what you will.

Pterosaurs got big both because of air sacs on the wing membranes and because they used the front limbs to take off, unlike modern birds which use the legs. If all your wyverns are bipedal then I think they won't get as big as the azhdarchids.
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In cryptozoology, wyverns are bigger and heavier than normal Draco Magnificens, at about 40 compared to 30 or so feet. These dragons might soar on high thermals like Quetzalcouatlus and Rocs, only stooping to conquer.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Just posted two very, very rough sketches of two dragon-world mammals.
Multituberculates take on the role of rodents in this world:
http://zippo4k.deviantart.com/art/TS-Multituber-140950416
Plesiadapiforms & their descendants are omnivorous or carnivorous pseudo-primates, many of whom are nocturnal:
http://zippo4k.deviantart.com/art/TS-Plesiadap-140949913
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Man those mammals were just too cool, I can't wait to see what else you have in mind for this world !



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