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Avalonian Fauna
Topic Started: Oct 6 2009, 11:32 AM (5,264 Views)
VulcanTrekkie45
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Hey everyone. I was hoping you guys could give me a hand. I'm in the middle of a project on another forum called Avalonia Alone, in which Avalonia didn't break up into New England and Western Europe as it did in our world. I've got a general idea for climate, which you'll find in the thread. But I was hoping that you could give me a hand with some of the animals native to the island. My guess is it'd be dominated by multituberculates, with some creatures that are descendants of the last common ancestor of placentals and marsupials. But I'd live some more specifics. If you'd like to help me out, that'd be awesome.

Also, if any of you are good artists, I'd love drawings as well.
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This seems like an interesting project though I don't know much about the fuana there.

I can say that I have heard a lot about the clovis people comming from Europe which means that when the Vikings find it their will be people.

I am also interested in how the gulf stream and climate will be effected thanks to this land mass and not just in the ice age.

Also if you do the land bridge in your other topic most of your suggested natives will disapear completely just to warn you.
I am dyslexic, please ignore the typo's!
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Oct 6 2009, 02:20 PM
This seems like an interesting project though I don't know much about the fuana there.

I can say that I have heard a lot about the clovis people comming from Europe which means that when the Vikings find it their will be people.

I am also interested in how the gulf stream and climate will be effected thanks to this land mass and not just in the ice age.

Also if you do the land bridge in your other topic most of your suggested natives will disapear completely just to warn you.
Thanks for the feedback. As for the peopling, there will be no landbridge between Avalonia and the other continents. The only reason I see Avalonia being peopled so early is because of the Solutrean theory. During the Ice Age, the western half of Avalonia would be iced over, while there would, even in summer, be permanent sea ice linking Avalonia to the mainland. That there wouldn't be enough to have many North American or European animals come to Avalonia, but the early people could follow it, using seals along the way as a food source.

As for currents and things, yes the Gulf Stream is intercepted by Avalonia, and flows up along the Alikinot Peninsula and forms a gyre in the Intíre Sea, but doesn't reach Europe. While one might think this would have catastrophic consequences for Europe, bear in mind that in our world, there is a cold current off the coast of the Iberian Peninsula. Only really Scandinavia would suffer. So, sorry, no Vikings here.
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Bump. Here are a couple maps for you guys to look at, that you might need to look at for the creation of animals for Avalonia.

Tectonic plates (red is rifting, black is subduction):
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Ocean currents:
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Prevailing winds over the region (west to east):
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A detailed map of Avalonia as it stands so far (the eastern stretches still need to be done):
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=81867&stc=1&d=1254632201
Edited by Parasky, Dec 27 2009, 04:11 PM.
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That is rather well thought of. 10/10
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http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/5724950/

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http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/forum/460637/

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Wow very good job creating all of this stuff and while I would love to help with animals I still have no knowledge of the natives.

:lol:
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What are the little blue dots on the one map?
Or do I need to clean my glasses?
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I think their lakes.
Top quality work :) .
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VulcanTrekkie45
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Yeah, the blue on the map shows rivers and lakes.

In any case, multituberculates, as far as I can tell, are sort of a forerunner of rodents. They're not placentals or marsupials, but whatever came before them.

And placental/marsupial hybrids, I believe, are pretty much self-explanatory.
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Multituberculates are a different mammal group all together, all mammals today to my understanding are therians, multituberculates don't belong to that group. They also gave birth to small helpless young similar to marsupials.
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Right. I meant that they were similar to rodents in appearance, especially their dentition. I know that in our world they're completely extinct.
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Oct 11 2009, 04:49 PM
Wow very good job creating all of this stuff and while I would love to help with animals I still have no knowledge of the natives.

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Oh wait, did you mean the human natives, or the animal natives?

The animal natives I've described above. The human natives would be an amalgam of Clovis people, Celts, Tartessians, Picts, maybe (and that's a big maybe) Romans, Miqmaq-speaking, and Algonqian-speaking peoples.

Their language would be a hybrid reflecting this, with a bit of a gradient across the continent, from almost fully Native American people in the west to almost fully European people in the east.
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All these people close together, diseases...
Swine flu?
AAAAARGH!
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

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Oct 12 2009, 02:47 PM
All these people close together, diseases...
Swine flu?
AAAAARGH!
Actually, it shouldn't be a problem. By our time, these people will have been living together for thousands of years. I think, acutally, we'd see less of an impact of diseases decimating European or American populations than in our world, since they'll be in contact with each other much earlier, thanks to a great whopping island plopped in the middle of the Atlantic.
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Anyway, with that amount of people, resistance would be pretty likely.
Time flows like a river. Which is to say, downhill. We can tell this because everything is going downhill rapidly. It would seem prudent to be somewhere else when we reach the sea.

"It is the old wound my king. It has never healed."
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