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| Anyone here seen the movie "Surrogates" (2009) yet? | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 4 2009, 06:44 PM (1,178 Views) | |
| Yorick | Oct 4 2009, 06:44 PM Post #1 |
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I finally saw it this afternoon. Very well-acted with a great story. Anyway, is the world of "Surrogates" plausible? Would we really live our lives through machines if these robots were ever invented? Edited by Yorick, Oct 13 2009, 10:15 AM.
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| Venatosaurus | Oct 4 2009, 06:49 PM Post #2 |
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I think such robots would be better suited for vegetables, or even soldiers sent out into battle, which would help save lives and also confuse the enemy..."Holy Crap, they can't be killed !" |
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| colddigger | Oct 4 2009, 07:29 PM Post #3 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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i would do it the other way around, use the robotic body for staying home while my real body goes out and enjoys the world. robotic soldiers would never work unless you were fighting someone who was significantly below you technologically, which seems to be how nations like to fight. |
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| lamna | Oct 5 2009, 01:30 AM Post #4 |
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I've tried to watch it with my girlfriend but the gods don't want it to happen. What do you mean, would never work? If both sides are using them, they are still useful. |
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| colddigger | Oct 5 2009, 04:56 PM Post #5 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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i guess what i meant was, if both sides are using robotics, then eventually they will resort to using people once the robots are used up resulting in prolonged wars and more strain on economies, and if you look at it that way then there is no point to it unless your enemy doesn't have robots. |
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| lamna | Oct 5 2009, 05:05 PM Post #6 |
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That is like saying there is no point using aircraft in wars. Still have not seem the film yet. The Horned Lord must not like this film. |
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| colddigger | Oct 5 2009, 05:19 PM Post #7 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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it's not quite the same, aircrafts can be used for bombing and such (although missiles have all but replaced that it seems to me) but i understand what you're saying, what i was thinking was to have the robots fight one another... which seems silly to me when dealing with war. Since you brought up airforce then i guess the robots would be like how they sort of are now, being mixed with the live soldiers, which makes perfect sense to me since you would still have a loss of life. Still if it were the way i had originally imagined what was being meant by robotic soldiers (no live soldiers on the battle field) it would only work against someone with a weaker robotic force, or in other words, a country who isn't as technologically advanced as yours. |
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| lamna | Oct 5 2009, 05:40 PM Post #8 |
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Long Wars are about who has more resources and better technology. That is why the USA could Defeat the Empire of Greater Japan. Building more robots will just be part of it. I really don't understand what on earth you are talking about. Of course the weaker side would win. That is how war works. It does not matter if it is ships of the line or robots it is the same principle.
What on earth do you mean? War's don't need to have humans dying, you need to A force the enemy to surrender or B totally destroy the enemies capability to fight back But in reality human replacements would not be as useful as remote controlled tanks, ships and planes. |
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| colddigger | Oct 5 2009, 05:51 PM Post #9 |
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if it's really a war and not a simple quarrel then the people will fight with anything they have including their own limbs, which would mean that completely destroying their ability to fight back would be to kill them and they will not surrender until there is a heavy loss of life. |
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| lamna | Oct 5 2009, 06:06 PM Post #10 |
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I think you are just getting into semantics on what a war is. Lots of wars have been fought until one side surrendered but could still fight back. The Germans could have probably kept fighting until 1921 during WW1 but they surrendered in 1918. They still had most of their fleet, hence why the scuttled it in 1919. Also the war of 1812 was decided without either side conquering the other to name just 2 examples. Not all wars are against fanatics, most are against reasonable people with different goals. |
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| colddigger | Oct 5 2009, 06:34 PM Post #11 |
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you're right, i guess when i think of war i don't really take treaties and such into consideration... |
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| lamna | Oct 6 2009, 02:04 AM Post #12 |
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You should. It's best not to count on being able to force the enemy to negotiate, but often they prefer that to complete destruction.
Edited by lamna, Oct 6 2009, 02:06 AM.
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| Ànraich | Oct 8 2009, 06:35 PM Post #13 |
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L'évolution Spéculative est moi
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They did use surrogates for warfare. They had specially designed surrogates called GI Joes. Basically because war had lost the human factor, everybody was getting into wars with no real repercussions. |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| lamna | Oct 8 2009, 06:47 PM Post #14 |
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Presumably they have huge amounts of resources and wealth if it has no real repercussions. Did the film deal with poorer nations? That's the thing with technological singularity in fiction, it is assumed to happen at the the same time around the world where as every other technological advance is available in wealthy nations first. |
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| Ànraich | Oct 8 2009, 08:26 PM Post #15 |
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They didn't really go in depth about it, they just kind of alluded to it. The whole of the US Armed Forces was gathered in a single building where they had set up chairs for each person to control a surrogate with, and you could see on lots of the screens the different places we were fighting in. And it was a lot of places, I'm pretty sure there were more screens than there were countries. And the general the main characters were talking to excused himself to "deal with a police action." So presumably warfare was everywhere. Though oddly enough they used non-surrogate soldiers later in the film. But that was probably because they were raiding a Dread Reservation (places for people who believed surrogacy was evil). |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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