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| Topic Started: Sep 30 2009, 03:41 PM (1,621 Views) | |
| irbaboon | Sep 30 2009, 03:41 PM Post #1 |
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http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/07/the-sleepwalkers/ Would the lack of Permian and Cretaceous extinctions have resulted in such species mutualism? |
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| Carlos | Oct 6 2009, 03:55 PM Post #16 |
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Only because mass extinctions didn't occured doesn't mean there'll be a bigger amount of species; in fact, mass extinctions can increase the diversity of species by opening many more availiable niches. And yet, this massive interdependence never occured |
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| Jurassic-Gothic | Oct 6 2009, 04:07 PM Post #17 |
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You have just mentioned the Taxon Pulsation Theory from Zoogeography, indeed. Maybe you could infer such "eerie symbiosis" for an "Exo-Earth", although I still find it quite unlikely. Symbiosis certainly occurs, but this one seems extreme.
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| Iowanic | Oct 6 2009, 04:09 PM Post #18 |
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I don't know about how plausable the critters in question are; but I'm going to be a bit of a rebel in regards to the possibility of critters utalizing senses from another.... Think now.....portuguese-man-of-war. Individual organisms.....in a floating colony with each carrying out a seperate function. How far can it be taken, basically seems to be the question to me. |
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| Jurassic-Gothic | Oct 6 2009, 04:14 PM Post #19 |
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The point is the siphonophorines are coelenterates and coelenterates use to be organized in colonies, where several specimens are diversified for different functions (reproduction, defense, bio-construction...) but belong to same genus and species. They don't blend different species or phyla.
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| Iowanic | Oct 6 2009, 04:31 PM Post #20 |
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ok; the species aspect is understandable. On a earthside-setting, at least. Hasn't it been suggested that some of the structures within living cells may have been orginally less complex(and seperate) living cells? Ie; when did those two seperate living creatures combine to become another? And is it possible for more complex forms to do so(Given time and a niche in which to do so, of course) |
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| Jurassic-Gothic | Oct 6 2009, 04:33 PM Post #21 |
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Well, you should ask this tricky question to the comics' author. And we all would like to hear his/her answer... |
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| Iowanic | Oct 6 2009, 04:38 PM Post #22 |
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okay, okay, maybe I'm reading a bit more into things then I should... I do find the basic premise intriguing. HOW such a relationship would form takes some work... |
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| Jurassic-Gothic | Oct 6 2009, 04:39 PM Post #23 |
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Well, I doubt the author may give a plausible explanation in the end. But a fiction trick for sure
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| lamna | Oct 6 2009, 04:40 PM Post #24 |
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Well it does make sense. Mass extinctions reduce you down to the toughest generic creatures, and the lucky ones. Without any extinctions like would have more of an opportunity to become complex and interdependent. And you can do something with a mix of Western and Japanese style and it still remain mostly western. Manga style faces are not the defining feature of Manga. |
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| Jurassic-Gothic | Oct 6 2009, 04:49 PM Post #25 |
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There is a Zoogeographical theorem *and sorry if I'm annoying you all with Zoogeography*: ![]() Assuming no mass extinction due to external causes (asteroids, volcanoes, other...) there is always "thresold" biological diversity. Even accounting an extreme diversity within a continent/environment/whatever, there is a point where populations of each taxon aren't large enough to be stable and survive. Exceeding environment's capacity. Thus extinction inevitably occurs That lowers previous extreme diversity to a mild one, according to environment and available ecological niches of course. Even if Permo-Trias and K.T catastrophes had never occurred, extinctions would have always deleted some lifeforms and selected others.
Basic fact is that is neither the former neither the latter. Just a hybrid thing that I personally do not like. I prefer clear and neat thing. This is the case where 2 different comics-styles have merged into an eerie symbiosis... *lol*
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| The Dodo | Oct 6 2009, 05:15 PM Post #26 |
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I noticed in the cartoon they left out the Triassic-Jurassic extinction. |
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| ashwinder | Oct 6 2009, 05:27 PM Post #27 |
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I liked the style, very cool (if improbable) |
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| lamna | Oct 6 2009, 05:52 PM Post #28 |
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And how do we know that then? Why, in the absence of extinctions can't animals just keep evolving? Have experiments been done? |
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| agatharights | Oct 6 2009, 10:10 PM Post #29 |
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THE WHOLE POINT WAS THAT THE GIRL WAS WRITING FANFICTION ABOUT HER PHYSICS TA, SHE HADN'T ACTUALLY TRAVELED TO AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. agatharights clarifies things that should be obvious |
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| agatharights | Oct 6 2009, 10:11 PM Post #30 |
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![]() Everything is Transformers and Dungeons & Dragons and nothing hurts. | |
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