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Why every rational person must see this video!; Take that creationists!
Topic Started: Sep 8 2009, 07:54 PM (1,070 Views)
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I completely agree GBA (which also happens to be the acronym for gameboy advance) why should someone's belief deserve my respect just because it is different or comes from a different society/culture/perspective. Should I respect the misogynistic, racist and homophobic beliefs of extremists? Of course not. So why should I respect a belief which I believe is unintelligent, stubborn and anti-intellectual. Smallminded? Codswallop!
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I really wish Christians & Jews would realize the Adam & Eve story is symbolic more than anything else. The Serpent in ancient myths was used as a symbol for wisdom. Humanity chose wisdom over Yahweh. At least that's how I thought of it. And the poster who mentioned this before is right-- the Bible is largely based off of Sumerian & Babylonian religions. Hence why Gilgamesh's Epic & Noah's Arc are so similiar. And how Yahweh is basically a direct rip-off of the god Enlil.

With that said I don't mind people who believe in god(s) at all, infact I do. But they really need to stop misinterpretting Genesis and letting that cloud their thoughts.
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Not really. I'd like to think I am, but I'm only human.
Well... at least far more rational than any anti-scientific religious fundamentalist and anyone who condemns anyone because they don't subscribe to their beliefs. I'm pretty sure they're aware that they are humans as well, and that their knowledge of the Universe isn't 100% complete, and may never be.

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I really wish Christians & Jews would realize the Adam & Eve story is symbolic more than anything else. The Serpent in ancient myths was used as a symbol for wisdom. Humanity chose wisdom over Yahweh. At least that's how I thought of it. And the poster who mentioned this before is right-- the Bible is largely based off of Sumerian & Babylonian religions. Hence why Gilgamesh's Epic & Noah's Arc are so similiar. And how Yahweh is basically a direct rip-off of the god Enlil.

In fact, that is where all Judeo-Christo-Islamic and other related religions trace their origins, the religions of the Mesopotamian cultures. But I've been wondering this, where does the story of Adam and Eve come from? Was it an original Hebrew story?

Not to mention the Bible was changed throughout history as different cultures such the Romans tried to translate the Bible from Hebrew to Latin. I'm pretty sure that they made some mistranslations, but I do not know of one yet, which reminds me, I should read the Bible myself in order to learn more about it. Then the Englisc translated it to their language, and then King James translated that into his evolved version of Englisc he speaks. There was one mistranslation I know of, which is Jesus saying "I will be with you until the end of the world.", when "world" is actually "era". And I hear that the Bible was even intentionally changed so that leaders could have more control of their people. What confirms this?
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I completely agree GBA (which also happens to be the acronym for gameboy advance)

Hehe, I was told that by another person from an old forum I used to go to.

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I completely agree GBA (which also happens to be the acronym for gameboy advance) why should someone's belief deserve my respect just because it is different or comes from a different society/culture/perspective. Should I respect the misogynistic, racist and homophobic beliefs of extremists? Of course not. So why should I respect a belief which I believe is unintelligent, stubborn and anti-intellectual. Smallminded? Codswallop!


I never said respect, I have no respect for communists and republicans* but they get to have their retarded views. Same with religious nutters.
This is one of the reasons I'm not really big fan of Dawkins, or at least the crowd he attracts. They want you to be too confrontational with religious people, which won't work. Heart and Minds chaps.

*When I say republicans I rarely mean The Republican party. I mean the kind of people who caused China to fall into chaos for half a century and the people who bayoneted children because they were related to the Tsar.
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Regarding the origins of abrahamic religions, a theory suggests that the single god worshipped in the monotheistic stage of the Egyptian Civilazation is to blame. Then everything got mixed with indo-european religions. Adam and Eve IIRC are a reccuring theme in mythology, so its not that hard to guess from where did it appeared.

As agree with Flash: the serpent is an old symbol of wisdom, so the Genesis can be interpreted as how humanity chose to be wise rather than follow Yahweh's words, as as a reward the psychotic childish fairy punished us.
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When was that, Egypt is boring until Napoleon invades it. If I remember correctly one Pharaoh decided that everyone would worship Ra because he was Ra, or his dad was or something.
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Its a really funny episode regarding queen Nefertari and her family, resulting in the death of many worshippers of other gods besides Amon, the supposed true god. Then the ram god became a solar disk worshipped by the ones that eventually would make abrahamic religions
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Really? I thought the Jewish and Egyptians did not have any major interactions.
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The Hebrews (which were basically the Jews before they were Jews) were enslaved by the Egyptians. I'd call that a major interaction.
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Egyptians actually predate judaism
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Except that they weren't. The bible has long, very very long lists of names but they never mention the Pharaoh's name, which is convenient. None of the Pharaohs mentioned a Hebrew slave rebellion.
Slaves in Egypt were expensive anyway, using farmers while their fields were flooded was much more cost effective.
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funny about how they say the ancient egyptians were just to embarassed about defeat to record anything about hebrews, Hmmm?
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That sounds very unlikely. Who would they be hoping to fool? People thousands of years from now, everyone at they time would remember for years if that happened.
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i asked a creationist about why there was no record of hebrew rebellion besides the bible, his reply was that the egyptians were too embarassed
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i've read that the Egyptians were known to "skip" the wars and such that weren't as glorious as some of their other history, and that they would also exaggerate and so on... unless this was some other civilization, but i think it was talking about the Egyptians...
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