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| Topic Started: Sep 7 2009, 05:46 AM (7,879 Views) | |
| sam999 | Sep 7 2009, 05:46 AM Post #1 |
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You know the alien. That face hugging, acid dripping, stomach bursting, cantankerous creature of HR Giger's fantastic imagination. We're talking about Ellen Ripley's nemesis and Ridley Scott's meal ticket. Terrifying and slightly resembling your boss, she has made an indelible impression on movie-goers for 30 years. Unfortunately that impression has been watered down as this ferocious beast of deep space has never been explaned. For this we want how it works. Is the facehugger, chestbuster, monster a working idea? Could it evolve? What good is it? So here is where to post ANYTHING that has to do with this space monster. |
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| lamna | Sep 20 2009, 02:07 PM Post #91 |
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Well I do hope you get better soon, and while you are sleep deprived and half mad you can always come here. I know it just seemed doubtful it could live in there without someone noticing. Perhaps it releases painkillers, but how could it know the correct doses? What happened to make you loose all that lung capacity? |
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| agatharights | Sep 20 2009, 02:21 PM Post #92 |
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What happened? Well, for one, pretty much my entire abdominal cavity has been hijacked by a uterus. All my organs have been pushed upwards, and that includes the diaphragm. Plus, since I'm below average height, this means less room for things to go... Maybe it...severs nerves or something. I don't know...it could possibly work on the epidural method, where it actually affects the large nerves or the spine......hm |
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| lamna | Sep 20 2009, 03:07 PM Post #93 |
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Ah I suspected it was that but I don't know much about girls, nobody here does XD. Of course seen as the film has FTL ships, all be it rather slower than most we could just put the whole thing down to magic. I don't know if it could severe nerves without it the unfortunate chap noticing. Edited by lamna, Sep 20 2009, 03:07 PM.
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| sam999 | Sep 20 2009, 05:46 PM Post #94 |
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That would make a good plot for the next alien movie. LOL |
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| lamna | Sep 20 2009, 06:01 PM Post #95 |
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Better than the last one at least. |
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| sam999 | Sep 20 2009, 06:03 PM Post #96 |
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Yes AvP3 was so badley done. |
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| agatharights | Sep 20 2009, 09:33 PM Post #97 |
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agatharights comes in and BANGS on the table. SO WHILE I WAS AT WORK I remembered a few things about xenomorphs that always confused me, and a few older theories I had. 1) Why do xenomorphs take on the traits of their host animals? As has been seen in Aliens 3 and AvP 2 as well as several comics and video games, while certain traits remain the same, they do resemble host animals some and have different traits. Fun Fact: Aliens 3 was originally going to have a cow-xenomorph. With horns. 2) According to the video games, Xenomorphs lack of eyes is compensated for by having highly complex echolocation, explaining their giant penis-heads. Their massive skulls contain a large, lobed, complex sonar organ that's almost like a second brain. I just thought this was cool. Eh? However, other sources show them as being able to 'see' light as well. Thoughts?3) Although we don't see them eating a lot, they /do/ eat (at least, in the first movie they do) but also in the first movie, the chestburster went from being a teeny-tiny chestburster, maybe a few feet long, to being eight-feet of horrible chitenous monstery terror before it's first meal even. Conservation of matter WHAT. 4) Facehuggers are described in the books as genetically distinct from Xenomorphs. This makes me wonder if this is possible a very extreme version of symbiosis. Like how certain species of bot flies attach their eggs to mosquitos to transmit the eggs to hosts, is this simply the same process taken to the extreme, or possibly a result of the genetic engineering that produced them? It's possible that un-engineered, they simply laid their eggs directly into hosts (ala the predator-xenomorph) 5) Also according to the books (god, Such a nerd for having read so many of them) there's multiple ways that queens happen. There are queen eggs/facehuggers/chestbursters that immediately grow into queens, but there are also incidents described in which, deprived of a queen, one of the 'drone' xenomorphs develops into a queen in order to preserve the colony. Makes me think of bees. Or ants. Or termites. Man, they really are like hte biggest, most bizzare bees/ants/termites ever. |
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| lamna | Sep 21 2009, 01:38 AM Post #98 |
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Pfft you think that is nerdy, I know this much and I have not really watched the films apart from the second half of Aliens and AvP. Facehuggers being different species would be very interesting. Assuming they are bioweapons, if someone develops a virus that can kill Xenomorphs the Facehuggers will be safe inside the eggs, ready to wait until time to strike. Also Facehuggers have very different lifestyles, waiting for years to lay an egg. While the Xenomorphs are very active. I was wondering if the Alien egg did not unzip some of the hosts DNA and copy some into it's own. Like genetic engineering itself. Of course how this is done and why they have DNA is still a mystery. We know that they have been to earth so they could have been invented as a weapon just in case we got too dangerous the earth could be cleared of all large life that could get out of it's gravity well in the next 5 million years, and those silly Yautja are using this technology as toys. Like someone using a Stargate as a hula hoop. |
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| agatharights | Sep 21 2009, 09:49 AM Post #99 |
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agatharights has been cruising wikipedia. Well, the Space Jockeys apparently used them first. Those are that big alien corpse seen at the start of Alien, in the ship where they're originally found. It's possible that this species was using them as biological warfare, which would be quite a feat. Think about it, the eggs are virtually free-standing wombs. They react to nearby presences, can adapt to situations, or hibernate... The Yatuja are just so damn bored they can't find anything better to hunt? Humans? Pshaw, old new. Horrifying bug-things? MUCH BETTER. Maybe alien fetuses themselves somehow don't have full DNA capabilities. So they need to copy the host in order to grow, which makes me wonder if the chestburster, that pale little serpentine thing with stunted legs that wriggles along is closer to the actual creature than the adult xenomorph themselves. Same goes for the Queens. |
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| lamna | Sep 21 2009, 01:28 PM Post #100 |
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They would be damned good weapons if you did not want to destroy facilities or planets, if you could control/kill them yourself. Well in the present humans would be a challenge, but in the past it might have been trickier to take them down. Hmm, that would make good Fan Fiction, a Yatuja ship crashes in what will become Libya and one of the eggs Xenomorph eggs survives and starts fucking up the place. But a clever Roman solider rides in and kills the beast. St George and the Xenomorph. St George and Xenomorph |
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| sam999 | Sep 21 2009, 02:26 PM Post #101 |
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Yes they do have sonor I thought this had already been worked out. Also the idea for the hiveing was baced on army ants so no wonder they are like them. As for a bovalien just three words LOL |
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| agatharights | Sep 21 2009, 04:55 PM Post #102 |
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I don't want to ruin it for you, but that seriously is the topic of one of the AvP comics. I kid you not. It's about how St. George fought aliens, not dragons. I wish I were kidding, but I'm afraid it's already there. And there's an entire yautja ship buried under this church with a bunch of hibernating eggs, with monks defending it and..yeah...... ...it was a pretty fantastically ridiculous comic. Goes right up there with the "Chronicles of Yutani" |
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| lamna | Sep 21 2009, 05:06 PM Post #103 |
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*Lamna tears his hat of and stamps on it. I bet they made him a medieval knight in europe didn't they? Not a Roman in North Africa. What is Chronicles of Yutani about? |
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| agatharights | Sep 21 2009, 05:16 PM Post #104 |
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It's about the original Yutani of Weyland-Yutani and how, as a young man, he came across a damaged, downed Yatuja ship in China, and became super-smart and rich by reverse-engineering and selling the technology he found. It's pretty boring, for part of the AvP franchise. I mean, most of it's just him being a businessman. Oh, and trying to train pet xenomorphs. By the way? Poor idea. Although I imagine if you were able to 'hijack' whatever intelligence they have (they can learn things. Like how to open doors, operate simple machinery. In one of the movies a queen learned to use an elevator) and program them to beleive that you were their 'hive' or 'queen' they'd be one heck of a force to be reckoned with. Good luck keeping a collar on one, though. |
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| lamna | Sep 21 2009, 05:21 PM Post #105 |
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Sounds ok. I might check these out. I've only really read manga until now. Maybe you could use them like the Antlions on Half Life. Dangerous weapons for both you and the enemy. Also a chip in the brain would probably not last long given how the melt though metal with the greatest of ease. Also the acid has to be an integral part of their body. Otherwise if you shot one it will dissolve itself. |
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Eh? However, other sources show them as being able to 'see' light as well. Thoughts?
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