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| Canis Lupis | Aug 29 2009, 09:20 PM Post #16 |
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I'm talking about the traditional view of utopia. That includes no disease, no death, no trash, no violence, no famine, no poverty, etc. Basically your perfect world. That will never happen. But a united Earth will happen. Violence will still exist, as will wars, but this will be greatly reduced. Life will be lengthened, disease will be slightly reduced, and food and water will be more abundant. I just hope the ruler of the one-world government isn't like Nicolae Carpathia from the Left Behind series, who is based off of Nicolae (don't know his last name), which was the last communist ruler of Romania. |
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| Giant Blue Anteater | Aug 29 2009, 10:13 PM Post #17 |
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Violence in the form of civil unrest and criminal activity will continue, but the former will be greatly reduced. But wars will not. Why? Because if the world is united, then who are the belligerents fighting against? The World? It becomes a civil war, and therefore, it is no longer a world union. But I see we have derailed this thread a little bit, so lets get back on topic. |
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| Canis Lupis | Aug 29 2009, 10:20 PM Post #18 |
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Yes let's. And let me just say that there will be large numbers of wars in the future. Maybe they will be few and far between, but there will still be wars. Especially if we colonize Mars, Venus, or the Moon (I wonder why no one has seriously considered terraforming the Moon). |
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| colddigger | Aug 29 2009, 11:23 PM Post #19 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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i don't like the idea of a utopia, nor of a united Earth. in the former i would die of boredom and the latter would have too much control. also i don't think a united Earth will happen, i think there will mergings and splittings and new countries appearing and old countries disappearing, empires rising up and empires falling down in a never ending cycle of mankinds desire to own and not be owned. terraforming the moon would be rather difficult due to it's size, and the significant pull that the Earth would have on its tides, and so on. considering that the future includes the rest of human existance and recorded history has only been going on for... 6000 years? i would be very surprised if there weren't many many wars in our future...and famines and manmade plagues and genocides and invasions and so on and so forth. |
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| lamna | Aug 30 2009, 07:04 AM Post #20 |
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A united earth will happen. It will be a parliamentary* federal monarchy** with the Emperor of Japan† reigning over the Solar System for ten thousand years. There is no point being anything other than a optimist. The world has slowly been uniting and coming closer because mankind wants to better itself, and you can't do that in backwards little tinpot nations. And mankind's desire for power and wealth. We can archive that much better together than apart. Terraforming the moon has not been seriously considered because on the moon you have nothing to work with, and the atmosphere would constantly be bleeding away. By the way, Norman Borlaug > Mother Teresa Norman Borlaug, kicked famine in the crotch, and probably saved a billion lives. Mother Teresa, had a fetish for suffering, let hundreds die in squalid conditions just so she could see the suffering. I don't why that bitch gets held up as an example of a good person. What about Jonas Salk? Who developed the Polio vaccine. If that wasn't enougth, at the high of the cold war with Hoover watching him he went to help vaccinate the Soviet Union *Parliaments are more stable than presidential systems. Two-thirds of Third World countries establishing parliamentary governments successfully made the transition to democracy. By contrast, no Third World presidential system successfully made the transition to democracy without experiencing coups and other constitutional breakdowns. **Like Malaysia, or the UAE, with a monarch reigning over the whole nation, but with each state having it's own government that may be republican or a subnational monarchy. † Hopefully by then Primogeniture will be equal for both sexes. Edited by lamna, Aug 30 2009, 07:06 AM.
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| Temporary | Aug 30 2009, 09:21 AM Post #21 |
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We are on our way to a one-world Government, in fact, if you don't mind the idea of an incredibly weak central power in a confederation during several civil wars, then we are there now. Wow, what a hollow and pointless victory. But we won't get any closer. Humanity is capable of working together, but we aren't that reliable, we are selfish, we work towards our own goals at the cost of other people's. As a species we are close-minded arrogant, and overly emotional for a species that supposedly can work with logic. A transhuman or posthuman utopia is plausible, but not with us. I can't help but wonder if, at some point in the future, we could replace the Amygdala. This is the part of the brain which makes us so emotional and basically is a good part of why we probably can't be a Utopia. Too bad we probably wouldn't enjoy it. |
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| lamna | Aug 30 2009, 11:37 AM Post #22 |
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But that would mean augmenting the Emperor/Empress. Mecha Emperor! I love it! As much as I like the idea of transhumanism, I doubt we can make it so we can be peaceful and still be emotional and well, human. There no point in having sexy cyborgs if "sexy" does not mean anything any more. The UN is not a government, it makes the Holy Roman Empire look like a Commonwealth Realm. Humanity is good at uniting against common problems, which is why I'm not all that worried about climate change. |
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| colddigger | Aug 30 2009, 03:25 PM Post #23 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-kM-guQtk&feature=channel this is what i tend to imagine utopias to be like... actually, i think my idea of what utopia means and what i'm told a dystopia is are the same thing... Edited by colddigger, Aug 30 2009, 03:27 PM.
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| lamna | Aug 30 2009, 04:24 PM Post #24 |
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My idea of utopia is basically the spirit of the Taishō democracy combined with Hakko ichiu, with robots and better medical tech. And moon bases. Gotta have moon bases. I wonder what will happen to commies after (if it comes) technological singularity. |
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| Temporary | Aug 30 2009, 05:37 PM Post #25 |
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I think we could be peaceful and have emotions. I had an idea a while back, good luck making it work, but here was the basic idea. Implant computer chips inside people programmed to transmit emotions, (instead of techlepathy, techempathy), from here you have it broadcasted constantly to everyone. One person in pain roughly means everyone around them will be in pain, people in power will have a more powerful version that responds to everyone. But, it would only be triggered at a certain level of pain. There is a ton of problems in this (before you say it, yes, random injuries could really screw up the system) but it could work. Later I adapted the idea, just as many problems (actually, more), where the area of the brain responsible for empathy (like mirror neurons) would be enhanced proportionatly and be some-how externally stimulated. This would also cause a superhuman level of empathy. One's pain is everyones pain. Causing pain is unthinkable. Then there is the Hedonistic Imperative, I'm still reading over some work on it, but it could do the job and still pretty scientifically reasonable. The basic idea is rewire us, replacing the pain-pathways in our neurology with 'goal pathways', or instead of being averted to pain we are geared towards pleasure. A bit odd, but looks possible so far. For me, a Utopia is when people are accepting, follow the 'live and let live' ideal, and are responsible. A world where we don't have a Government but we are the Government (yes, a true form of Anarch-communism, despite my hatred of both thoughts, would be a paradise if everyone in it acted like I just said, but now it would still be a relative hell on Earth). Edited by Temporary, Aug 30 2009, 05:37 PM.
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| lamna | Aug 31 2009, 05:14 AM Post #26 |
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I don't know if you noticed, but in fights both people tend to be in pain anyway. Besides war is getting more automated and being fought at longer ranges. |
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| Yorick | Aug 31 2009, 10:09 AM Post #27 |
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How does one terraform a satellite with such weak gravity and no atmosphere?
Have you even HEARD of "Equilibrium" (2002)??? That's a really bad idea and it destroys what makes us human.
What the hell is wrong with you people?! Surgeries and drugs to FORCE people not to feel or feel something else instead?! Are you nuts?!
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| lamna | Aug 31 2009, 10:25 AM Post #28 |
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No, your descriptions gave me all the info about it I need to know, and I am happy I don't need to know more. And all options have to be considered, not that we are actually going to put it into place. |
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| Yorick | Aug 31 2009, 11:55 AM Post #29 |
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It's just that the complete disrespect for the sanctity of the human condition disturbs me. |
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| lamna | Aug 31 2009, 12:13 PM Post #30 |
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Sanctity smanctity. I don't really agree with the who removing emotions things, but I can understand it. Imagine if humans randomly turning to insane killing machines and would not stop their rampage until death. Say, one in 100,000 people will "turn" in their life. It's the way it has always been. It's just a fact of life, anybody could have it happen. It's so much a part of life people see it as making us human. What would the reaction be when someone suggests we cure this? Edited by lamna, Aug 31 2009, 12:15 PM.
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