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| Topic Started: Aug 5 2009, 11:51 PM (8,645 Views) | |
| Giant Blue Anteater | Aug 5 2009, 11:51 PM Post #1 |
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While viewing these pictures, I thought for a moment that they were being grown without the shell, until I noticed that the fourth one and possibly the eighteenth one had their yolk sacs busted. The eggs were broken in the pictures so that the embryos could be viewed. Plus the seventh one may have been torn off of its yolk sac. But then, this from the comments:
I can see why here, because the eggshell provides protection from bacterial infection, and without it, bacteria could freely attack the organs that sustain the growing embryo. Plus the albumen, which I will assume most of it was lost upon breaking the eggshell, has globulins which provide immunity for the embryo also. Another reason why may be because of the lack of oxygen; being almost tightly stowed in the home-made artificial uterus, with a small amount of oxygen to breathe with. I could be wrong on the latter reason though. But honestly, this is an interesting experiment, and it just makes me wonder if you could grow a chicken embryo without its shell. Edited by Giant Blue Anteater, Aug 5 2009, 11:51 PM.
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| The Dodo | Aug 6 2009, 05:57 AM Post #2 |
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No wonder so many died, looks like a risky way to grow a chick, looks suffocated in some of the later stages. An interesting experiment though. You could probably grow a chick without the shell if you take a lot of care, particularly with infection. |
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| lamna | Aug 6 2009, 09:46 AM Post #3 |
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You could probably get lucky if you did the method my mentioned enougth time. With proper equipment it would be likely it could be doe with some ease. |
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| Giant Blue Anteater | Aug 6 2009, 11:10 AM Post #4 |
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Note that the embryos in the pictures were broken out of their eggs, although it may appear that they are being grown on that petri dish.
My idea would be to put the egg in a sterilized cylinder filled with some kind of treated water that acts as albumen. On the base would be an airstone that supplies the egg with oxygen to breathe with. Sterilized of course. The only thing left would be somehow balancing and stabilizing the eggs position in the cylinder and not having it sink to the bottom of it. When the chick is ready to hatch, the water will be drained and it will break out of the chorion it has been suspended in for nearly a month. Then the chicks health will be closely monitored and cared for in the best way possible until it grows up into a chicken. Edited by Giant Blue Anteater, Aug 6 2009, 11:24 AM.
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| lamna | Aug 6 2009, 01:10 PM Post #5 |
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I think you would probably loose most chick at hatching time. There instinct is to peck not to swim. |
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| Giant Blue Anteater | Aug 6 2009, 04:01 PM Post #6 |
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If you read again, I mention that the water is drained prior to hatching. |
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| Ànraich | Aug 7 2009, 02:47 PM Post #7 |
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Well I'm sure you could do it with other animals as well. In fact, you could probably grow any egg-hatching organism without the shell with this method. Not very successfully, mind you, but it's possible. So hatch something that lives underwater. |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| Giant Blue Anteater | Aug 8 2009, 01:46 AM Post #8 |
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A chicken would be the best test subject, as it is one of the only birds we know just about everything about. But the major question here, besides bacterial disinfection, is oxygen. I wonder how much oxygen does a chicken egg receive from the external environment? How much oxygen does a growing chicken fetus need in order to stay alive? Even though the shell-less egg would be suspended in albumen-like water, would an airstone on full power do well? Once I get another room for which I can preform experiments in, and once I get sufficient funds, I'll build my proposed incubation (gestation?) cylinder and preform this endeavor. Needless to say, the scientific method and trial-and-error will be highly involved here. If the fetus dies, the failure will be noted and the experiment will be modified and retried until the desired result is achieved. |
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| Ànraich | Aug 8 2009, 07:06 PM Post #9 |
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I personally think it would be a better bet to use a frog, so you don't have to worry about it "hatching" and drowning while you're not there. Plus, it's biology isn't as complex as avian biology.
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| Giant Blue Anteater | Aug 8 2009, 08:23 PM Post #10 |
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This experiment is to see how well an amniote egg without a shell can do in controlled experimental conditions. I'm sure that an amphibian embryo would survive well without the membrane it was encased in. But that wouldn't be that exciting, now would it? The gelatinous coat of non-amniote vertebrate eggs, I don't think is homologous to the eggshell. It has been tried with that one person I quoted, so why not take another step forward? But if you insist, maybe a reptile egg would do better. What reptile do we know best about? My plans would be that I sleep in that room for the whole project, and stay up all night on the last days. Edited by Giant Blue Anteater, Aug 8 2009, 08:28 PM.
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| Ànraich | Aug 8 2009, 10:57 PM Post #11 |
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I changed my mind; grow a platypus. You'll be known as the first amateur scientist to successfully grow a mammal outside its egg shell. Now that's the kind of thing people read twice, just to make sure they read correctly. Mammal egg? Plus you'd be setting things right in the universe; you would have the first platypus to be born like a regular mammal (kind of). And once that's done, the planets will align, men and women of all nations, races, and religions will join hands in harmony and the world will unite in peace and become a utopia [citation needed]. |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| Giant Blue Anteater | Aug 8 2009, 11:34 PM Post #12 |
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The chances of that happening are zero. Great of an experiment it would be, but I found out that Russia's new imperialist forces will learn from my amateur experiment and mass grow soldiers in vats. [citation needed] |
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