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| Biology of a Fantasy Earth; Mammals and dinosaurs together? | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 22 2009, 07:17 PM (6,100 Views) | |
| Black_Panther | Jul 22 2009, 07:17 PM Post #1 |
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Hi, people. As some of you may know (specially the ones who have seen my DA) i'm working in a fantasy world. So, in a way similar to that of 'The World of Kong: A Natural History of Skull Island' or whatever that's called; i would like to bring some 'realism' into the project, while still keeping some of the fantasy aspects. As a brief thing, i shall describe a few aspects of this world, that i want to focus on, to add a few realism to this thing: -The K-T event didn't happened. So, as you may take account; dinosaurs are still around...but, during the last million years of the cretaceous, a disease swept through all the globe, killing dinosaurs except in the Americas. -Surviving dinosaurs include dromaeosaurs, oviraptors, abelisaurs and only a surviving tyrannosaur species, the Nanotyrannus (i know it's probably a real dinosaur species; but, again, i'm sticking into the fantasy stuff), while herbivores include pachycephalosaurs, the Magyarosaurus, smaller hadrosaurs, small ceratopsians and a few ankylosaurs. -Yes, Pterosaurs and mosasaurs are still around. Now, the fantasy, inaccurate stuff that i hope some of you might find interesting: -Marsupials manage to evolve, due to full extinction of dinosaurs in Australia. -Mammals DO evolve; although, creatures like elephants, primates (with the exception of carnivore, baboon-like forms adapted to trees and a small species of lemurians that eventually evolve into humanoid creatures), horses, bears, elk, goats, cows, whales, rhinos and hippopotami never evolve. -Creodonts are present, although, they're restricted to a small, wolverine-like species inhabiting islands in the sub-artic North America. -Pigs are diverse, from analogues to warthogs and razorback pigs, to beasts similar to hippopotami and rhinoceros. Also, a family of carnivore pigs inhabit eastern Europe and the Balkans: the Gorgonidae. -Deer are present in a variety of forms, most of them inhabiting the northern hemisphere; while stocky, jungle dwelling species live in the depths of african rainforests. Gazelle-like forms inhabit the savannah. -Felines are present in Eastern Asia and the Americas, filling the niches of extinct, larger predators. Felines range from arboreal species, to panther-like creatures as big as a Smilodon. -Monitor lizards in africa gave rise to a family of lion-like reptilians: Manticores. -Mustelids are way more diverse than Real world. From analogues of ferrets and martens, to bear-like species. -South America is home to gigantic teratorns. -Tropical coasts are inhabited by fully marine birds and penguin-like descendants of Hesperornis. -Flightless, moa-sized birds are common in the Southern hemisphere; along with predatorial, flightless herons. -Pinnipeds are present with a large variety of species; from seals similar to those in Real earth, to big, fully marine creatures filling the niches of antartic whales and dolphins. And finally, civilization manages to appear due to some magical mumbo jumbo that i won't discuss, because it's totally fantastic and doesn't have anything to do with evolution. So, what do you think? Should i fully describe this bizarre and impossible world? |
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| ATEK Azul | Jul 22 2009, 07:31 PM Post #2 |
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This sounds very interesting and cool. As for realism why not make the mammals less copies of our groups and more like parallel groups who are simular to but not the same as ours? I love the groups you chose though. Also if you have magic in this world that could be a way to change the groups by using that as a selective presure. Please explain more this sounds fascinating. |
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| Ànraich | Jul 22 2009, 08:11 PM Post #3 |
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You should have the humans go to America only to find a native civilization of sapient oviraptors. Now that would be interesting. Of course, it is your project. And I have to say, it's pretty interesting and I find no flaws in its plausibility. Of course plausibility means nothing when things are fantasy. And incorporating magic into it would be cool too, especially in the later centuries of civilization. One show that captivated my imagination was Full Metal Alchemist, mainly because their world was interesting; a world where alchemy succeeded while science faded away as a secondary oddity. It would be cool to see how magic changed society over the course of things like the Industrial Revolution and especially the Information Age (assuming society follows a similar path to ours). I was going to do something like that myself (with the magic, not everything else you posted), but I never got around to it. So to answer your question, yea, I'd like to see more. |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| Black_Panther | Jul 22 2009, 08:58 PM Post #4 |
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Hehehe, thanks. Some sort of 'humankind' appears; although they're slender and faster, and also, more agile due to their ancestors being lemur-like creatures. (Lol, parallel fantasy evolution) Magic isn't 'common'. It's more like genetical engineering from an ancient lovecraftian-like race. But, yes; civilization mirrors ours, except with a few things like longer-lasting empires from ancient times like romans and vikings, aztecs becoming a major power, etc...thing ends with gods, superheroes and other stuff appearing since the 2000s. As for dinosaurs, here's a "brief" species tree: Dinosauria. -Theropoda: Tyrannosauroidea: *Dracotyrannidae. (Dragon Tyrants) -Black Tyrant. -Tezcatlipoca's Dragon. -Ravana. *Avityrannidae.(Avian-like Tyrants) -Siberian Tyrant. -Alaskan Tyrant. -Attila's Scourge. -Siberian Ravager. *Theriotyrannidae. (Beast Tyrants) -Kukulcan's Dragon. Maniraptora: Oviraptorosauria. *Aggroraptora (Aggresors) -Jungle Strikedragon. -Mountain Strikedragon. -Savannah Strikedragon. *Terravulturidae. (Land Vultures) -Land Vulture. -Death Eater. *Hyaenamimidae (Hyena Imitators) -Dire Cassowary. -Grim Howler. Therizinosauria. *Glaciodraconidae. (Snow Dragons) -Siberian Snow Dragon. -Alaskan Snow Dragon. -Greater Snow Dragon. *Macronyxidae. (Giant Claws) -False Rhea. -Drassuary. -Dragonclaw. -Glacial Camel. -Mountain Leaper. -Great Rhea. Deinonychosauria. *Tyrannoraptoridae. (Tyrant Raptors) -Patagonian Tyrant Raptor. -Ravager. *Dromaeosauridae *Velociraptorinae. (Velociraptors) -Neovelociraptor. -Swampie. -Amazonian Screamer. -Desert Prowler. -Vuma. *Ichthyoraptorinae. (Fish Raptors) -Hammer -Paluraptor. -Stilter. *Pithecoraptoridae. *Brutosauroidae. (Brute Lizards) -Giddon. -Night Climber. -African Draboon. -North African Draboon. -Striped Giddon. *Macropithecoraptoridae (Kong Raptors) -Chacma. -Tarasque. *Piscatoraptoridae. (Heron Dragons) -Falsemingo. -Heron Dragon. -Cranebill Raptor. Eurodraconia. *Pterodraconidae. (Dragonwings) -Common Dragonwing. -Royal Dragonwing. -Tree Glider. -Malagasy Climber. *Wyvernidae. (Wyverns) -Alpean Wyvern. -Rumanian Wyvern. -Chaintail. -Titan Falconclaw. -Helasaurus. Carnosauria. Allosauroidea. *Argentodraconidae. (Patagonian Dragons) -Patagonian Dragon. -Falklands Dragon. *Carcharodontosauridae. (African Tyrants) -Kasai Rex. -Rakhan. -Zimbabwean Tyrant. *Incasauridae. (Inca Dragons) -Atahualpasaurus. -Peruvian Prowler. Ceratosauria: Carnotaurinae. *Afrodraconidae.(African Dragons) -Hannibal's Chimera. -Jaggedhead. -Merrickasaurus. -Kasai Rex. *Carnotaurini. (Bull Lizards) -Drakebull. -Hannibal's Drakebull. -Gilgamesh. -Cretean Chimeroid. Noasauridae. *Gallotauridae. (Cockatrices) -Common Cockatrice. -Cretean Cockatrice. -Morocco Cockatrice. Ornithomimosauria: Ornithomimidae. Ungulatomimidae. *Hippogriphidae. (Hippogriffs) -Avalonian Hippogriff. -Lesser Hippogriff. *Beelzemorphidae. (Devil Lizards) -Baphomet. -Devilhorn. -Dover. -Sauropoda. Titanosauria: Afrotitanosauridae. *Mokeleae. (Mokeles) -Mokele Mbembe. -Lesser Mokele. *Afrobrachidae. (African Titans) -Earth Shaker. -Moloch. -Ra's Titan. *Aepycerosauridae. (Gazelle Lizards) -Aepycerosaurus. *Potamosauridae. (River Titans) -African Behemoth. Brasiliotitanosauridae. *Amazonisauridae. (Amazonian Titans) -Amazonian Tree Devourer. *Behemothidae. (Behemoths) -Incan Behemoth. -Ceratopsia. Ceratopsidae: Ceratopsinae. *Macroceratopsidae. (Great Horns) -Great Horn. -Scimitar Face. *Krizanoceratopsidae. (Krizan Horns) -Imperial Horn. -Juggernaut. -Moctezuma's War Beast. Centrosaurinae. Dracoceratopsia: *Arietocephalia. (Ram Heads) -Ram Head. -Tree Smasher. -The Aggro. *Porcucephalia. (Pig Heads) -Boceratops. *Titanoceridae. (Horned Titans) -Imperial Titan. -Panzer Horn. -Ankylosauria. Nodosauria: Gladiosauridae. *Australogladionidae. (Australian Warriors) -Ayer's Porcupine. -Australian Gladiator. Ankylosauridae: Macrobellatoridae: *Pseudochellonidae. (False Turtles) -Blocker. -Pikelizard. *Bellatosauridae. (Warrior Lizards) -Gladion. -Spartacus' Tanker. *Iberosauridae. (Rodeleros) -Rodelero. Not too much accurate, but you get the point. EDIT: SEVERAL NAMES. STILL HAVE TO FIND THE HADROSAURS. Edited by Black_Panther, Jul 22 2009, 09:29 PM.
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| ATEK Azul | Jul 22 2009, 09:04 PM Post #5 |
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Interesting that sounds cool I like the idea of genetics giving magic and the whole super hero thing is awsome. Is this by chance dracoverse? |
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| Black_Panther | Jul 22 2009, 09:30 PM Post #6 |
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Yes, sir. It is. |
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| ATEK Azul | Jul 22 2009, 09:31 PM Post #7 |
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Okay awsome I love that project so to be getting more info here is awsome. |
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| Ànraich | Jul 22 2009, 11:53 PM Post #8 |
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I'm interested in learning more about Eurodraconia. I've always been fascinated with dragons; they're just so damn plausible (except for the whole having four limbs and a pair of wings thing). That special on the Discovery Channel with the dragons, I loved it. Hah, I'm such a sucker for cryptids. |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| Carlos | Jul 23 2009, 03:50 AM Post #9 |
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I think I will enjoy this project. Note, however, that "Creodonta" is no longer considered valid, since hyeanodonts might be afrotheres and the rest are certainly laurasitheres. So, what kind of "creodont" are in your world? |
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| Scrublord | Jul 23 2009, 09:43 AM Post #10 |
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Ahem . . . "Gods" after the 2000s? Does this mean there's intelligent design going on? Because if so, we might have to pull the plug on this--this is an EVOLUTION forum after all! |
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| Black_Panther | Jul 23 2009, 12:47 PM Post #11 |
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Dunno, i'm using outdated info. Thanks for the info, i'll probably change a few things...but i was using the 'name' to describe a species of primitive, wolverine-like creatures living in isolated islands in the world's northern area. Squibbonator: The idea of 'Gods' appearing is part of the fantasy aspect of my the stories set in the Dracoverse, since it's a world playing with common stuff that you might find in comic books or sci-fi novels, mixing it with a few touches of Steampunk and D&D fantasy. So, they appear to 'mortals' as gods; but in the end, they're what you could define as the pinnacle of evolution due to genetical engineering by some older races in the universe...pretty much like Marvel Comics' Asgardians. Again, i won't talk about this, since is out of the purpose of this forum. Parasky: Eurodraconia is, for all purposes and reasons; descendants of raptors that developed the ability to glide, due to inhabiting mountain ranges and areas with rocky terrain. Probably might look like a mix between a dromaeosaur and a pterosaur; retaining the powerful claws and fangs of dromaeosaurs to become powerful aerial predators and scavengers. Mostly, some of them might look like Wyverns or the dragons of myth, due to their 'winged, bipedal lizard design'. They works as analogues of birds of prey, vultures and large birds in European mountain ranges, with the largest species rivalling Quetzalcoatlus on size and weight. Oh, and; at least some of you might find interesting, the fact that i'm working with both flightless and flying pterosaurs in coastal habitats all over the world.
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| Ànraich | Jul 23 2009, 01:03 PM Post #12 |
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So they don't breath fire? Even so, the concept of flying raptors is terrifying. |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| ATEK Azul | Jul 23 2009, 02:18 PM Post #13 |
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This sounds amazing but are you going to have feathered dinosaurs including the herbivores or are some dinosaurs scaled? Also what types of superpowers do these lifeforms have? Umm are any of the marsupials in south america going to survive in this timeline besides the opossums? |
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| Black_Panther | Jul 23 2009, 03:04 PM Post #14 |
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Yes, feathered dinosaurs do exist; mainly the Aviatyrannidae, feathered tyrannosaurs; dromaeosaurs and therizinosaurs. Regarding other species, maybe some kind of quill-like feathers in hadrosaurians or ceratopsians. Normal animals don't have superpowers. Marsupials did evolved on a way similar to that of RL earth, but, with a few variations. For example; several species of kangaroo-like species, predators analogous to bears, wolves and tigers; a 'marsupial' monkey and even marsupial 'seals'. Parasky: Yes, imagine a flying, quetzalcoatlus-sized dromaeosaur going down at full speed, trying to claw the opponent to death. Also, they still have fangs...so...they're basically a nightmare in mountain ranges. In my world's history and culture, they're the source behind the myth of dragons and wyverns. But, again, they range from pigeon-sized scavengers to the the Quetzalcoatlus-sized Titan Falconclaw. |
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| ATEK Azul | Jul 23 2009, 04:03 PM Post #15 |
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Okay sounds cool I can't wait for more. |
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