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| lamna | Jul 14 2009, 05:05 PM Post #16 |
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I really doubt that. I expect the US will be the first back. Have you guys heard about SpaceX? They are a private US company that is developing launch vehicles, including ones for people. On the 14th they launched RazakSAT for Malaysia in their first commercial launch. http://www.spacex.com/multimedia/videos.php?id=40&cat=recent They are perfecting their rockets at quite a clip, and NASA has already agreed for them to take over cargo resupply for the ISS. Maybe they will be able to take over manned launches in the 3-4 year gap between the Shuttles and Constellation. I'm really excited about this. This is more important that Virgin Galactic. They are actually doing proper space stuff, not just taking people on their holidays. Hopeful as they and other private companies develop, nations with only satellite tracking ability will be able to send up many more satellites without having to use another nation. Edited by lamna, Jul 15 2009, 06:29 PM.
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| Ànraich | Jul 18 2009, 02:13 AM Post #17 |
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The Russians, no matter how hard they tried, could not beat us to the moon. We're the only country with the capabilities to reach the moon by 2020. And the only reason it's taking us that long is because the space shuttle has gotten too crappy for the journey. The moon mission will be the maiden voyage of the Orion Space Capsule, our new space vehicle. And like everything else in NASA it's an improved version of something obsolete from the 90's. We should really invest in a better space shuttle, not a steel box. |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| lamna | Jul 18 2009, 10:44 AM Post #18 |
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NASA do have a plan in the event they can't do the Ares rockets called DIRECT which uses shuttle parts. Or you could divert 0.3% of military expenditure to NASA and give it an extra 1.5 billion to play with. |
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| Ànraich | Jul 18 2009, 08:51 PM Post #19 |
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I'm not sure US$1.5 billion is a while lot for NASA anymore. They should really look in to some private funding of some kind. |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| lamna | Jul 19 2009, 07:53 AM Post #20 |
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Well it is a heck of a lot more than the planned budget increse. I don't think private funding is really ethical, but I suppose it could work. |
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| colddigger | Jul 19 2009, 03:54 PM Post #21 |
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Joke's over! Love, Parasky
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private funding is what separates us from the communists! lol i kid, but it's pretty cool to know that there's so many plans for moon missions, hopefully they'll actually be successful... |
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| Scrublord | Jul 19 2009, 04:08 PM Post #22 |
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Ummm . just a little something to point out. The orion capsule actually going to go to the ISS on its maiden flight. |
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| lamna | Jul 19 2009, 04:15 PM Post #23 |
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Indeed. The US is likely to be the first back to the moon, but who will be second? India, Japan, China and Russia are all planning moon shots with ESA probably joining them. My money is on China or Japan. China's rapidly developing economy will put it in a better position than Russia, and it has already show itself to be better than India at most things, including space exploration. Japan has also been quietly working at space exploration, and has already sent probes to the moon. Plus, its Japan. This is what they do, take western tech, learn about it then improve it. |
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| Xenophile | Jul 19 2009, 05:01 PM Post #24 |
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China is probably the biggest challenger for NASA because of the amount they have accomplished since their establishment in 1993. In 2005 they managed to get to astronaunts into orbit on their Shenzhou VI spacecraft as well as their continued launches of comercial satellites. China plans to send an astronaunt to the moon by 2020, the same year NASA plans to return to the moon. Although launching satelittes into orbit is expodentialy different then lunar exploration, they may well win the modern space race. |
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| Ànraich | Jul 19 2009, 05:30 PM Post #25 |
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Even so, we plan to seek a place to establish a permanent manned colony when we do return, so no matter what they do they'll still be behind us. I can see that a new space race is just on the horizon, and this one will take mankind throughout the solar system. Ladies and Gentlemen, the future will be here soon. Sadly we won't be stand united as a single world, but it will be more interesting this way. Neocolonialism, here we come! |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| lamna | Jul 19 2009, 07:12 PM Post #26 |
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Not quite. Not a colony, a manned base. Think Antarctica, not the New World. Actually neocolonialism is the practice of colonial power exerting heavy influence in there newly independent states, and/or a nation exerting economic control rather than political control onto poorer nations. Like the French in Gabon. And it won't be colonialism, which is the practice of giving colonies home rule within an empire. More like imperialism for the foreseeable future. And China's Space program is a show of force and might, but compared to NASA or Roskosmos it does not have a big budget. I'm behind the Japanese for sending the first proper mission to the moon after the Americans. China will probably go to the moon like Amundsen went for the pole. The getting there was the goal. The Japanese will be like Scott, taking longer, but accurately doing science. Edited by lamna, Jul 19 2009, 07:15 PM.
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| Ànraich | Jul 20 2009, 01:22 PM Post #27 |
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A manned base and colony are no different when speaking of extraplanetary facilities; if you live in a permanent fixture on any celestial body that is not Earth you live in a colony. It may not act like a colony, but that's what it is. |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| lamna | Jul 20 2009, 03:00 PM Post #28 |
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A Colony at the very least has a permanent population. People won't live forever on the US's moon base. |
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| Ànraich | Jul 20 2009, 04:08 PM Post #29 |
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No, but there would be a permanent human population. Maybe it's neither a colony nor a base, maybe it's a facility. |
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We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar. "The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming Tree That Owns Itself
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| lamna | Jul 20 2009, 04:49 PM Post #30 |
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It will be just like any other space station, just on the moon. |
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