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Interstellar Travel; Your thoughts on starships
Topic Started: Apr 26 2009, 09:32 PM (3,304 Views)
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I remember on a Channel 4 documentary called BodyShock there was a young boy and a teenage girl from the the Ukraine.
Both Edik and Oksana seemed to be doing well, if I remember correctly Oksana did some interviews. She seemed a bit quite, but not mental.
However they both were around people when they were very young, which if I remember correctly is important.

The subject is fascinating, and terrible.
http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/W/wild_child/index.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article1061048.ece

There might be some truth in the destruction of the family, but people will still want to be close to each other, and I expect they will discover sex and parenting eventually.

Emotions seems horribly far fetched to me, and people even work without them?

People like charismatic leaders, and they have religious experiences. A religion could easily develop
Edited by lamna, May 5 2009, 05:14 PM.
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You know what, I have High-Functioning Autism and I have always found emotions to be difficult to grasp because of my differences. I think emotions are over-rated but I don't think we can completely get rid of them. I think I have turned out fairly well without the ability to fully understand people. Also, we do know how embryos develop but we are not entirerly sure of how their brain developes. Just look at my favorite quote. Great advancments in the feild of brain development are likely to be made in the future.
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Indeed, but I assume that everyone else around you doe snot have it. Still I think a society could get along ok with different people.
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Emotions aren't needed (I've never actually worried as far back as I can remember), but, they are a part of being 'human' in any recognizable way. We all experience emotions, and with our cognitive abilities and genetics, is a major part of being a 'human'.
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I think emotions are important. Emotions are important when it to having a opinion, and you need people to have opinion that being alive is better than being dead.
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The instinct to survive is not an emotion.
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the instinct too survive is drasticly effected by emotions thats why depressed people are so likely too kill them selves becouse they feel death is better than life.

plus humans don't have much in the way of instincts left.
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But we all instinctively have a want to live. Emotion or not.

And your arguement about depression just reinforces my argument, emotions are needless.
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This all very interesting, but can we get back on topic?
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i agree with the back on topic part i am tired of hearing you talk about taking humanity from humans.

and your scenario is matrix meets terminator i hope these humans will have mercy givin too them by other humans and there robot trainers.

and also humans do need emotions with out them what point is there too right and wrong with out emotions mercy and a number of other things don't exist becouse they don't care about an out come too the chaos they create only the things they want. and unity would be toast to becouse there is no want for unity with out emotions its like creating criminals and expecting them too behave fine in isolation with out reinforcement
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I have been reading the Neanderthal Parallex and it made me think, perhaps when we get a fresh start the new civilization should be recorded constantly.

Note I did not say monitored, nobody should be watching what individuals do apart from that individual and the courts when that individual is accused of a crime.

That way it would be almost impossible to get away with a crime, it would not remove crime but it would help prevent some, and it would help deal with the criminals.

Unfortunately this idea is impractical to the point of impossibility, we are not trusting enough for this stuff, and rightly so given the world we live in.
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I did not say emotions were not needed, I simply said that they were over-rated. Note that this is coming from the prespective of someone with High-Functioning Autism.
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Great, another dead topic.
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Emotions are necessary to a society, though not to individuals. It's really impossible for us to imagine a society without emotions because no human is entirely emotionless.

And who is to say you can't simulate emotions? We have computers and robots today that, although they do not actually feel emotions, can emulate an appropriate emotional response based on its stimuli. Just recently a group of computer scientists here in America built a robot that judges your emotions, records how you treated it and will react to your in an appropriate manner next time you meet. In fact it could probably actively seek revenge if it wanted to (probably not the best thing to give a robot, but whatever).
We should all aspire to die surrounded by our dearest friends. Just like Julius Caesar.

"The Lord Universe said: 'The same fate I have given to all things from stones to stars, that one day they shall become naught but memories aloft upon the winds of time. From dust all was born, and to dust all shall return.' He then looked upon His greatest creation, life, and pitied them, for unlike stars and stones they would soon learn of this fate and despair in the futility of their own existence. And so the Lord Universe decided to give life two gifts to save them from this despair. The first of these gifts was the soul, that life might more readily accept their fate, and the second was fear, that they might in time learn to avoid it altogether." - Excerpt from a Chanagwan creation myth, Legends and Folklore of the Planet Ghar, collected and published by Yieju Bai'an, explorer from the Celestial Commonwealth of Qonming

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Indeed, people seem to forget that humans are just machines and their is no reason we can't build something that can at least simulate us.

What do you chaps think about the Bussard ramjet? I don't think it will be a workable idea. To get it going would be like trying to get something to go over a hill rolling.
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