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| Temporary | May 3 2009, 09:51 AM Post #31 |
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I have always like the idea of a robocracy for space-fairing trips. My only problem is the HAL-scenario (just follow me on this). Early on almost every thing is designed so the machines are in charge of every thing, mostly likely interconnected. If a slight coding errors happens in the wrong place everything could collapse, life-support goes down or maybe food-production. And yeah, people are that dumb. It was a little 'error' that lead to me needing a new account. |
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| Giant Blue Anteater | May 3 2009, 10:29 AM Post #32 |
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The robot settlement community would likely police eachother; if one robot were to screw up, then the whole community would shut it down and then try to fix it. |
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| Viergacht | May 3 2009, 12:28 PM Post #33 |
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Why do you think they wouldn't have emotions? That's part of basic brain wiring. Emotions are overrated. And since they're on another planet, it doesn't matter if they could function back on earth. |
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| colddigger | May 3 2009, 01:06 PM Post #34 |
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how are emotions overrated? If we're talking about colonies where the people are grown in artificial wombs and cared for by machinery (I don't see why we need to use machinery in our sense of the things, by the time we develop interstellar travel we probably have some very intricate bio-mechanical meshing, the wombs would be organic and we could have a temp-race of sterile beings wired specifically for the caring and upbringing of the first generation of colonists.) then we have to consider if the machines have minds, if so what are their minds like... if they're based on humans I imagine they would want to hold power over the colonists and we would get a robotic/computer government. If they were wired to care for the humans like parents then I don't see why they wouldn't allow the people to govern themselves and simply act as something to go to for advice in tricky situations. Also, eventually if there was a robocracy there would be rebellions - just like here on Earth - .... If there were multiple robo-nations and the computers had the mindsets of humans then I can easily see them backing rebellions in rival robo-nations... Then you have to consider what are these colonies being set up for, humans as a whole tend not to do things without some kind of motive or reward...these would definitely influence how the colonies are developed. |
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| lamna | May 3 2009, 04:23 PM Post #35 |
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But it would not make sense to try and recreate a human brain. And why have multiple minds. Besides if resources are plentiful I am sure that the AI would develop scenarios where humans can live their rebellion fantasies. The AI would have to think like a zookeeper. How to keep humans busy and mentally stable. One might even start a revolution to give people something to do. |
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| colddigger | May 3 2009, 07:28 PM Post #36 |
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exactly, only reason I can see a machine bothering to take power is if it was given a human-like mind(desires power), and that is very unlikely to happen... I was meaning if several colonies were set up on the same planet, like how the new world was colonized by several countries and they would have little fights and such... For giving people something to do, you have a whole planet to develop...force them to do so as if it were the 1400s... |
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| Viergacht | May 3 2009, 09:48 PM Post #37 |
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Emotions aren't great for decision making. |
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| lamna | May 4 2009, 04:51 AM Post #38 |
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So it is handy machines don't have them. I don't think forcing people to live as primitives is the answer to keeping them entertained. We have large amounts of free time but humanity is not falling into a pit of dispare and boredom. |
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| colddigger | May 4 2009, 05:10 PM Post #39 |
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the 15th century seems far from primitive to me.... I'm talking Europe of course. |
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| Xenophile | May 4 2009, 09:21 PM Post #40 |
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As a society we know very little about the developement of a fetus and how a child learns. Without these basic understandings, I belive it would be unethical to send robots to care for human children. Also machines can never completly mimic human intelligence and emotions . . . . Or can they? |
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| Viergacht | May 5 2009, 11:55 AM Post #41 |
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It doesn't matter if robots could be made to perfectly mimic human emotions, because humans are wired to project emotions onto other people, animals, inanimate objects, weather effects, etc. All a robot would have to do is a decent imitation. You don't have emotions because you're imitating your parents, they're already built into you. People manage to survive all kinds of neglect and abuse by parents and still grow into decent human beings. Would being raised by robots be any worse than being raised by an alcoholic or someone with uncontrolled bipolar disorder? And don't forget, the children raised by robots would still be surrounded by OTHER CHILDREN. After the toddler stage peer groups are far more important than parents in shaping a child's development. Edited by Viergacht, May 5 2009, 11:56 AM.
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| lamna | May 5 2009, 02:34 PM Post #42 |
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Children have been raised by dogs, and after a little work they normally turn out ok. I'm sure robots could do a much better job |
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| Giant Blue Anteater | May 5 2009, 03:25 PM Post #43 |
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Alienboy, this setting is the future, where we would likely have a better understanding of how a fetus grows and how its affected by its surroundings. As I said, the artificial uteri the fetuses are grown into that I proposed would perfectly mimic a real uterus. And the robot parents would likely be caring individuals, who would act like real parents, and would even be shaped like them. |
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| lamna | May 5 2009, 03:48 PM Post #44 |
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Ah but therein lies the rub, if you can make robots as good as humans, why bother with the humans? And I think we do know a massive amount of foetus development. |
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| Temporary | May 5 2009, 04:05 PM Post #45 |
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Who? I can't think of anyone that ever went well... except the ones from myth. As for the children, they would be very differentl from us. They would undoubtedly be a completely new culture completely different then anything ever seen on Earth. Frankly, I think the society that would arise might be more interesting then the planet we send them too. For instance: A completely different perspective on emotions. Maybe even completely repressing them. A good chance says that they may worship the machines (some scientific research says humans have a natural want to worship do to a glitch in evolution, I think that might come up) The family unit may be completely left behind, as well as all families. They have artificial wombs, and robots to raise the children, why waste a chunk of your lifetime on them? |
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