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Pinnipeds yet to be discovered
Topic Started: Mar 24 2009, 12:42 PM (595 Views)
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http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/03/statistics_seals_sea_monsters.php
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Interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if such animals turned out to be marine mammals instead of marine reptiles, as it does make more sense. Only time will tell though, fortunately we'll know within our lifetime. Though another thought came to mind, what if the mokele-mbembe is an Indricothere, it'll explain the sauropod-like build usually described as well as the rhino-like appearance some natives describe.



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Oh bloody hell, it's been proved beyond doubt Mokele-mbembe is a rhino that got lost in the jungle. Reserchers showed a picture of a rhino to the pygmies, and all of them agreed it was mokele-mbembe.
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Well it really has been proven to exist. First of all there are no rhinos known to live in the Congo (which would still be a great find if there were African forest dwelling rhinos), second there is no body or document proving the exsistance of the animal. If it really is a long necked animal, with a rhino like face, and Indricothere is the most plausible.



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Surely the confirmation of the people who tell the stories is enough. And which is more plausible, a yet undiscovered rhino living in the congo basin, or a giant hornless rhino that originated in eocene/oligocene asia?
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I personaly think that, rather than being a physical monster, its a memory of the times when the african rainforests were much reduced and thus allowed savanna denizens to live there, until forests claimed the terrain back. Prehistoric man would had seen rhinos, and remember them in their tales. Never the less, I believe that large reptiles like monitors helped twisting the legend; after all, each tribe has a different view of the beast
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I hope some of those strange monstrous pinnipeds are discovered soon. It would make life much more interesting.
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Yeah, I really dislike the tendancy of cryptozoo folks to say some folklore monster must be such and such prehistoric animal, even if the animal has left no fossil record for millions of years or isn't even in the right place. Discovering something like a coelocanth in the ocean is one thing, or a small animal in deep jungle, it's much less likely with a HUGE land animal nowadays.
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In this case it isn't a lazarus taxa (aka prehistoric animal still alive); we would discover a branch of sea mammal evolution that we never thought of. Fully aquatic pinnipeds
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Surely the confirmation of the people who tell the stories is enough. And which is more plausible, a yet undiscovered rhino living in the congo basin, or a giant hornless rhino that originated in eocene/oligocene asia?
Lots of people will swear on their life that they've seen bigfoot, too. It's definitely possible that the pygmies have actually seen this animal, but without more physical evidence you cannot make any definitive conclusions. The fact that it's only one group of people makes it more suspect as well - it may simply be something that's been incorporated into their folklore that looks similar.
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