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Timeline Talk: MC and OoA/OoS (Are they related); My theory today will give evidence of how MC and OoA/OoS and why MC takes place after OoT.
Topic Started: Aug 12 2010, 09:50 PM (890 Views)
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My theory I shall present to you today shall prove that MC and OoA/OoS are side by side on the timeline. Your probably thinking I'll be using fan-fiction to tie them together but in truth; the evidence has been put right in front of our eyes. And what is this evidence I speak of? This evidence is about three characters; the oracles Din, Nayru , and Farore.

The oracles play a big role in Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons, but they also appear in the Minish Cap. A few of you already know this, but many of you do not. This is because they are not main characters. They could be diffrent however they give descriptions of them that are the same in OoA/OoS. If these ocarles appear in these games, it is obvious that they go together. Which comes first? I belive OoA/OoS comes first as because they our still living in Labrynna and Holdrum. In MC they have moved from there and are looking for a home to live in. It would make since because they are staying for a long time.

What does this also mean? Well, this also can prove that the MC comes after OoT, as ganon appears in OoA/OoS linked ending. You could be saying "Well Ganondorf might be in SS so you could be wrong." Well, Ganondorf is, but Ganon was not created until Ganondorf in OoT touched the Triforce and got the ToP.

So in conclusion MC and OoA/OoS are put together after OoT. If you have any comments place them down below.
 
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"My theory I shall present to you today shall prove that... "

First of all, since it's a theory, it doesn't prove anything.

That aside, the fact that the two Oracles are in the game doesn't prove anything. If you say MC came after OoT, then you say that Vaati existed after Ganondorf got the Triforce. However, FSA contradicts OoT entirely and describes the fall fo Vaati and the rise of Ganondorf as well. Who's to say that's not the true story?

"If these oracles appear in these games, it is obvious that they go together"

That doesn't mean anything. Tingle appears in many games across the timeline, but that doesn't link any games specifically just by his being in them. Same goes for any character that isn't as major as Link or Zelda or Ganon, The Oracles aren't main characters in MC, as you say, so there's no evidence they're important at all...

No one can cement each and every Zelda game into a true timeline. Certainly games like OoT, WW, and TP... but all the handheld titles, as well as games like FSA... it just doesn't work. For example, as I've said, FSA contradicts OoT. Both tell the same story, but one involves Vaati and one doesn't. If you accept one of the games as the truth, then your whole timeline changes.

The games are all connected, but there's no reason to believe things like character cameos were deliberately meant to staraighten out the timeline.
Edited by Vaxis, Aug 13 2010, 01:09 AM.
 
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It is also widely theorized that Minish Cap is first in the timeline.
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^It used to be. But there are Moblins in MC, and you need Ganon to have Moblins. So that's no good either, really.

^^Also, I don't see how FSA contradicts OoT. It doesn't really describe Ganon's rise to power so much as him obtaining the trident which later becomes his trademark weapon for all games taking place after aLttP, and possibly some others. (I can't remember if OoX Ganon has it or not) So I don't see how there's any problem with Vaati and Ganon co-existing as villains.
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Aug 13 2010, 02:47 PM
^It used to be. But there are Moblins in MC, and you need Ganon to have Moblins. So that's no good either, really.

^^Also, I don't see how FSA contradicts OoT. It doesn't really describe Ganon's rise to power so much as him obtaining the trident which later becomes his trademark weapon for all games taking place after aLttP, and possibly some others. (I can't remember if OoX Ganon has it or not) So I don't see how there's any problem with Vaati and Ganon co-existing as villains.
It describes a thief named Ganondorf obtaining a trident and then setting an army of Deku Scrubs to build him a palace. For those reasons FSA seems to be in an alternate reality, really...
 
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Aug 13 2010, 02:54 PM
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^It used to be. But there are Moblins in MC, and you need Ganon to have Moblins. So that's no good either, really.

^^Also, I don't see how FSA contradicts OoT. It doesn't really describe Ganon's rise to power so much as him obtaining the trident which later becomes his trademark weapon for all games taking place after aLttP, and possibly some others. (I can't remember if OoX Ganon has it or not) So I don't see how there's any problem with Vaati and Ganon co-existing as villains.
It describes a thief named Ganondorf obtaining a trident and then setting an army of Deku Scrubs to build him a palace. For those reasons FSA seems to be in an alternate reality, really...
Have you considered it's entirely possible that this takes place in the "child" timeline before Twilight Princess (it's unclear as to how long it is in between OoT and TP) when Ganondorf did not acquire the Triforce of Power and become Ganon? I really don't find this all that plausible myself, but things like this really aren't considered all that often, and I really wouldn't shrug FSA off as non-canon (or even just in a different universe). Anyhow, the persona of Ganondorf the thief still existed when Ganon as in possession of the Triforce of Power, so it's possible that he was just masquerading as a common man to get "under the radar" and steal the trident to increase his power. I'm just coming up with excuses at this point, but yeah, it's been a while since I played FSA through, and I couldn't remember how that quote went.
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I like to think that in the child timeline, after Link was sent back, he and Zelda expsed Ganondorf's schemes, which is the reason he was sent to the Twilight Realm. I don't know if that even makes sense, but as Aco said... lolZeldaTimeline.
 
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I like to think that in the child timeline, after Link was sent back, he and Zelda expsed Ganondorf's schemes, which is the reason he was sent to the Twilight Realm. I don't know if that even makes sense, but as Aco said... lolZeldaTimeline.
Actually, I think this too. I'm pretty certain this is what happened, because it only makes sense.
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I like to think that in the child timeline, after Link was sent back, he and Zelda expsed Ganondorf's schemes, which is the reason he was sent to the Twilight Realm. I don't know if that even makes sense, but as Aco said... lolZeldaTimeline.
...and they couldn't just do that in the first place why..?

The reason Ganondorf was able to take over Hyrule originally in the Adult timeline was because he acquired the Triforce of Power when Link opened the Door of Time. Zelda sent him back before that happened so that he never opened the door to begin with. Hence the sages' confusion when he survives execution in TP.

My thought is he did something in between OoT and TP to get captured and tried. But he definitely didn't get sent to the Twilight Realm until he killed the Water sage, and that was as a last resort.
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That makes more sense, yes. All that's said in TP was that he was a magic-wielding thief... probably when Link was sent back, he prevented the Triforce from being used, so Ganondorf just launched an assault, but Link captured him or something, sending him to the Arbiter's Grounds...

Him getting the Triforce of Power at all in TP is odd to me, since he never mentions the Triforce at all, really... all he talks about is light and shadow. it may be that in the child timeline he knows nothing of the power of the Triforce, but being granted part of it's power, he just rolls with it.

Although I still don't know WHY he has it in TP... Wellllll I trust Nintendo will put more detail into the story of Metroid Other M

 
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Yeah, that point causes many a gray hair with Zelda fans trying to figure out the timeline. It's suggested that divine intervention allowed him to have the triforce of power, but how did it even split in the first place? And why would the Goddesses want some crazy fucker like him to have power?

My thoughts are the possession of triforce parts transcend time. So when Ganondorf got a hold of the triforce of power in the Adult Timeline, it became etched throughout all universes that he would forever be the man associated with power, while the Hero of Time's descendants (who only exist in the child timeline) would become associated with courage and the royal family would always have the wisdom triforce.
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That makes the most sense. Time is so fucked in Hyrule that I wouldn't be surprised at all if that were true..
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