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| bilki | Apr 6 2017, 09:12 AM Post #31 |
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I've seen claims of staging and scripting many times before over at PreTV but never gave them a second thought. Why would they need to "fake" Survivor??? But after the way that Tribal went down, Tai didn't play even one idol when he had two, and Sandra went home regardless...those claims are now getting more than a second thought. |
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| Dax | Apr 6 2017, 01:59 PM Post #32 |
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They obviously edit things to misdirect us and create suspense, but I am not suspicious of Survivor in the same way I know BB 'coaches' the players in the Diary Rooms... they don't want to cheat, ESPECIALLY with the All-Stars, because the returning players have, you know, big mouths and social media presences and fans... I do like the tribal switches screwing up confident people, but I was sorry to see Sandra go. |
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| KMInfinity | Apr 6 2017, 03:07 PM Post #33 |
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Oh I don't think Probst and Co. try to manipulate the players the way BB does, but I bet there are some hidden alliances we know nothing about that started before the game, and I think Jeffy is very happy to "create" opportunities such as shielding players while they search for an idol, doing "retakes" at TC, and this new "strategizing during TC - which is getting very old, since it's so clear that we the audience are being manipulated. There is no way in hell that there wasn't a scene were it was made crystal clear to Tai (by Zeke? and we only saw a teeny bit) that everyone was sticking to the plan to vote out Sandra. or he WOULD have played that idol. You're right, the vets do talk a lot, and I hear a lot's been said already but I'm still spoiler free!!!! :D |
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| Dax | Apr 6 2017, 03:21 PM Post #34 |
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I thought it was weird Ozzy got so upset with Tai for letting Varner hear that Sandra was the target... easy enough to say 'well, that's what we told Tai because HE'S the target', a natural cover... did not seem like that big of a 'slip'... |
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| jbrr1212 | Apr 12 2017, 11:28 PM Post #35 |
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WOW! That was.......I cant even think of the word i want to use. Easily one of the most memorable survivor episodes ever. |
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| bilki | Apr 12 2017, 11:49 PM Post #36 |
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That was just so wrong on every level. And then the way he tried to justify it all. I can only imagine how Zeke felt in that very moment. I'm still able to give myself nightmares over a kid who used to call me a fag on the bus every day. |
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| Dax | Apr 13 2017, 03:49 AM Post #37 |
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Wow. Yeah. I believe Varner feels like shit, but he absolutely should... made. No. Sense. And just before that, he'd made a pretty decent case for sending out Ozzy over him... still likely would not have happened, but... |
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| KMInfinity | Apr 13 2017, 08:44 AM Post #38 |
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Yeah he actually had a great shot at getting Ozzie out right then. What the HECK was he thinking? Here's my guess: I knew Zeke was trans last time because it was pretty common knowledge on most survivor sites and he was out with Harvard and most people in his private life, maybe everyone. So Varner is thinking that Zeke is "playing the game" to keep the secret, like other players who have kept their careers secret, etc. Tony the cop, anyone? And so Zeke is being dishonest by "lying" about something about himself. Add the idea that the "new Gen" LGBTQ are supposedly more open, and in the last game Zeke himself commented about how his generation was different from ... the cop who came out with Zeke - can't remember his name. So Varner is thinking everyone knows except the six at TC, and he thinks it's a "card" Zeke is saving, like the "dying mom" card that some claim Adam played late in the game ---to gain sympathy??? I know I know.... but there have been a LOT of people who have used personal info about their lives at home as a chip in the game. I think he tried to make this point (which I agree was still shady and wrong) and Jeff redirected it to the fact that it wasn't just the six at tribal, but now the viewing audience that Zeke is being outed to. Jeff always brags about how Survivor brings out growth and change and ... METAMORPHOSIS! But it also brings out an ugly side to good people too, sometimes. Not everyone handles stress and difficulty the same noble way. And not the same way each time either... I do NOT think Varner meant that being trans was a bad thing (I mean really, people on twitter, get a grip). Or that trans people were deceptive by their very existence. He had a subtler thing in mind, that Zeke was "using" his trans identity somehow. It was really stupid and crappy thing he did but I don't think it was malicious like Sarah was saying. There are some conspiracy theories: Zeke knew it was coming. Varner discussed it in a confessional scene and the producers edited the trans part out of Varner's commentary. (Right after he says the confessional about what he will do at TC later to save himself.) The producers then decide whether... A) to convince Varner not to do it. (Yes, there is manipulation, not at BB levels but some, sometimes. Did we ever discuss how Kelly Wiggles got extra food that first season...and why Rich REALLY won?) B) get Zeke's permission ahead of time to go with the flow. I dunno. It'll be interesting to see what shakes out after the season is over, when more people will talk. |
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| bilki | Apr 13 2017, 09:38 AM Post #39 |
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Perhaps it wasn't inherently malicious but there was a malicious quality to it. He wasn't trying to make a friend in outing Zeke like that. If anything, it demonstrates what a colossal idiot Varner is, especially when he claims to work with and for trans-gendered people. He's got to be aware of their inner and outer struggles more than anyone else out there. |
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| Dax | Apr 13 2017, 06:34 PM Post #40 |
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Happened to have the tv on to see Zeke on 'The Talk' earlier... he says Probst and the producers gave him the opportunity to, you know, un-do the Tribal outing, but (as a fan) wanted to protect the purity of the experience, and he was prepared going in (last season) that something like that COULD happen... |
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| KMInfinity | Apr 14 2017, 02:52 PM Post #41 |
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Yeah Zeke has been amazing through all of this. I wish I liked him better as a player. Maybe this will shake him up and push him forward.Yeah, even though I tried to "think like Varner" it really is weird. You would think he would have hyper sensitivity to the nuances of this issue. Though, I do have a friend who is adamant that the whole privacy issue about one's sexual identity is wrong. He did not have a problem with outing public figures back in the 80s and 90s and said that for the good of the LGBTQ community it was wrong to hide one's identity especially if one was in the public eye, that change wouldn't happen if people refused to be open. (ETA - This friend is gay. That might be relevant. :P ) When I think of this issue, I think of my 74 year old uncle, who served in the navy, worked in tech (Bell Labs) back in the 60s, who won and lost two fortunes in his life, and still has not come out, though everyone in the family of 11 sibs and dozens of nieces and nephews knows he is gay. When someone brought the topic up obliquely at one big family holiday gathering, he shut down and announced he wasn't talking about this *shit* and left. We try to be supportive in other ways, most of us, and though it's sad that he still struggles with his identity even with people who love him, no one would "out" him like that even within the family. Edited by KMInfinity, Apr 15 2017, 09:28 AM.
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| Dax | Apr 14 2017, 07:58 PM Post #42 |
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Can sorta kinda see both sides of that... obviously like and respect people being 'out' more, but... understand when they choose not to be, too. It SHOULD be the individual's choice. Privacy is privacy, and it's a shame that people feel like they HAVE to keep that private, for whatever reason, but... it really ISN'T anybody else's business, of course, so... Heard recently about a good teacher getting shitcanned because he crossdressed in his private life... stuff like that is always enraging... |
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| KMInfinity | Apr 15 2017, 09:30 AM Post #43 |
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Geez, even my husband Mark knows all about this and he despises Survivor. His take is Varner is a jerk, but Survivor is worse for airing it. They're in trouble if that's the generic impact. Yes I know how Zeke worked with the Survivor PTB... But will the average person? |
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| Dax | Apr 15 2017, 08:43 PM Post #44 |
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Varner fired from his real estate job now. Huh. |
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| Dax | Apr 20 2017, 12:11 AM Post #45 |
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Yes, Hali, please strip to prove you don't have an idol. Thank you. - Poor Ozzy. He lost his 'undefeated on the pole'... and he got voted off. He looked so sad. |
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| KMInfinity | Apr 22 2017, 12:46 PM Post #46 |
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From Queso, a poster over at edgic... if you are interested in detailed, in-depth pattern analysis:
Edited by KMInfinity, Apr 22 2017, 12:47 PM.
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| bilki | Apr 23 2017, 05:27 PM Post #47 |
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Thanks, KMI! |
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| bilki | May 17 2017, 09:53 PM Post #48 |
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It seemed like a bad move to get rid of Andrea before Brad. And that's not just because Andrea is one of my favorites. Did they give us any kind of set-up for a Michaela boot? Tai didn't play an idol so he must have been pretty confident. Brad wanted Michaela out and Sarah decided to go along with him? That was the best theory I've read tonight. In my mind, Cirie lost two allies with these votes. I love Cirie but I'm having trouble thinking she's OutWit-ing anyone at this point. I can't decide if I like Sarah or not but she's playing the best game out there right now. |
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| Dax | May 17 2017, 11:10 PM Post #49 |
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Tribal was confusing. Fun, but not easy to figure everything out. I don't really like Sarah. I like Cirie, but yeah, that turned out to be a big 'oops'. |
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| KMInfinity | May 19 2017, 05:59 PM Post #50 |
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I really dislike Sarah but she is the heavy odds-on favorite most places. There's been a strong Brad-Sarah debate from E1. yeah, until this episode I thought Cerie had a chance but she really overplayed. Then again, double boot episodes are always light on clarity and logic. |
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| Dax | May 25 2017, 01:31 PM Post #51 |
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Cirie going to jury only because everybody else had immunity was crazy. -- Returning Players Scorecard - Jeff Varner Game 2 - The Australian Outback - placed 10th of 16 players Game 31 - Cambodia - 17th of 20 Game 34 - Game Changers - 14th of 20 Sandra Diaz-Twine Game 7 - Pearl Islands - Winner, 16 players Game 20 - Heroes vs. Villains - Winner, 20 players Game 34 - Game Changers - 15th of 20 Cirie Fields Game 12 - Panama - 4th of 16 Game 16 - Micronesia - 3rd of 20 Game 20 - Heroes vs. Villains - 17th of 20 Game 34 - Game Changers - 6th of 20 Ozzy Lusth Game 13 - Cook Islands - 2nd of 20 Game 16 - Micronesia - 9th of 20 Game 23 - South Pacific - 4th of 18 Game 34 - Game Changers - 12th of 20 JT Thomas Game 18 - Tocantins - Winner, 16 players Game 20 - Heroes vs. Villains - 10th of 20 Game 34 - Game Changers - 16th of 20 Andrea Boehlke Game 22 - Redemption Island - 5th of 18 Game 26 - Caramoan - 7th of 20 Game 34 - Game Changers - 8th of 20 Troyzan Robertson Game 24 - One World - 8th of 18 Game 34 - Game Changers - 3rd of 20 Malcolm Freberg Game 25 - Philippines - 4th of 18 Game 26 - Caramoan - 9th of 20 Game 34 - Game Changers - 17th of 20 Brad Culpepper Game 27 - Blood vs. Water - 15th of 20 Game 34 - Game Changers - 2nd of 20 Ciera Eastin Game 27 - Blood vs. Water - 5th of 20 Game 31 - Cambodia - 10th of 20 Game 34 - Game Changers - 20th of 20 Sarah Lacina Game 28 - Cagayan - 11th of 18 Game 34 - Game Changers - Winner, 20 players Tony Vlachos Game 28 - Cagayan - Winner, 18 players Game 34 - Game Changers - 19th of 20 Hali Ford Game 30 - Worlds Apart - 11th of 18 Game 34 - Game Changers - 13th of 20 Sierra Thomas Game 30 - Worlds Apart - 5th of 18 Game 34 - Game Changers - 9th of 20 Caleb Reynolds Game 32 - Kaôh Rōng - 15th of 18 Game 34 - Game Changers -18th of 20 (Big Brother 16 - 4th of 16 houseguests) Debbie Warner Game 32 - Kaôh Rōng - 9th of 18 Game 34 - Game Changers - 11th of 20 Tai Trang Game 32 - Kaôh Rōng - 3rd of 18 Game 34 - Game Changers - 4th of 20 Aubry Bracco Game 32 - Kaôh Rōng - 2nd of 18 Game 34 - Game Changers - 5th of 20 Michaela Bradshaw Game 33 -- Millennials vs. Gen X -- 14th of 20 Game 34 - Game Changers - 7th of 20 Zeke Smith Game 33 -- Millennials vs. Gen X -- 9th of 20 Game 34 - Game Changers - 10th of 20 |
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| jbrr1212 | May 25 2017, 04:51 PM Post #52 |
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I thought Culpepper and Sarah were both deserving. I'm not really a fan of either one but I am pretty satisfied with the result. Ciries boot was crazy fun. Not sure how I felt about the new final tribal format. It provided better insight than we have had before, i think, but I kind of missed the old format anyway. Next seasons theme is not interesting to me at all. |
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| bilki | May 25 2017, 05:36 PM Post #53 |
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Poor Cirie! When Jeff talked about how her Survivor experience came to such an unusual end during that TC, all I could think was how frustratingly ironic life can be at times. Pleased with Sarah's win. I still don't know if I like her but I thought she had good timing and played her advantages well. Varner plugging his book may have confirmed my suspicion that he's a self-serving moron. An awesome awkward hug between Culpepper and Sarah at the end of the Reunion show. Looked like neither of them were smiling. Do those ridiculous themes draw more people in? This new one has to be one of the worst. Like they've run out of ideas and they're picking names out of a bag. Edited by bilki, May 25 2017, 05:37 PM.
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| KMInfinity | May 27 2017, 09:22 AM Post #54 |
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I liked Sarah as a winner better than Culpepper but that ain't sayin' much. First time Edgic raters are set to give a UTR rating to a finale finalist. :D Poor Troyzan. I was impressed with Michaela's advocacy of Sarah. She must really hate Culpepper. I bet Varner's book plug was a compromise by Probst to mitigate all the hate Varner got, and to prevent Varner from blowing up any behind-the-scene deals. I'm sure the edit could have been kinder/different at that TC. TPTB have hours of TC each time to work with - and I know they all sign waivers, but I'm sure Varner could make a case that the edit has hidden the faults of others in the past, especially winners. I am most sad with Cerie's finish. She did make that mistake with stealing Sarah's advantage, so I guess some could say she wasn't worthy to win, but I wish she had made it to the final TC, or at least not gone out like that. Though some are saying it's a great legacy for her in a way. New theme is dumb. But they all are, usually. Jeff likes advertizing hooks, and claims they only develop themes AFTER seeing the final pool of applicants. ::eyeroll:: I'll browse around for any extra info. I do know the F3 was spoiled from the first week. I was trying hard to avoid them so I dunno what the gossip has been. (However, the F3 seemed so unlikely during the early game that it didn't get a lot of attention. |
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