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| bilki | Apr 17 2016, 05:04 PM Post #31 |
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I really enjoyed all of stuff with Martha. It feels like she's starting to lose her grip. This isn't the first season that feels like too many balls in the air. I think it's something we discussed in the previous season and perhaps the one before that. Kimmy. They didn't conclude anything with her. In one of the recent interviews I read, the Showrunners said Philip is likely still getting intel from her father but we aren't seeing it at this time. Stan turning Oleg seems a little too obvious but I don't know where else they could go with the two of them. |
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| Krystal | Apr 17 2016, 05:15 PM Post #32 |
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This is the only show we are currently watching besides the end of Better Call Saul. I'm not crazy about it but it's okay. It used to be I didn't like Martha or Stan and now they are practically my favorite characters. I really feel sorry for Martha she has been used and she really loves Clark. |
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| Krystal | Apr 21 2016, 11:58 PM Post #33 |
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This was a really tense show in a real cliffhanger. Poor Martha. She should go running to the police ASAP but she really loves Clark I feel so bad for her. |
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| KMInfinity | Apr 22 2016, 05:01 AM Post #34 |
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Martha's cluelessness about the reality of her life horrifies me. Makes me wonder what huge misconceptions I'm walking around thinking. :P |
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| bilki | Apr 22 2016, 09:38 PM Post #35 |
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A bad day for Martha. One stinking revelation after another. I tried to put myself in her mindset for each reveal and I'm surprised she didn't have a nervous breakdown. "And everyone will know that you're KGB," gave me goosebumps. William still makes me chuckle. |
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| KMInfinity | Apr 23 2016, 09:12 AM Post #36 |
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Yes. Because Clark has carefully not said much. I think the show is consistently taking Philip's side in matters (Like, not wanting to leave Martha to deal with William). What it means in the long run, not sure. He turns, and leaves Elizabeth in the end? I forget the original intro. Is William a turned American, or a long term illegal like Phillip and Elizabeth? The comment about his wife seemed confusing. |
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| bilki | Apr 23 2016, 10:38 AM Post #37 |
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William is an illegal. Gabriel told Philip and Elizabeth that William had been in the US for 25 years and had accomplished pretty much nothing. It seems like Martha may be the straw that breaks the camel's back for Philip. While I think she's being used as a pawn, it does appear as though Philip really cares for her. And we've known that Philip isn't as committed to the homeland's cause as Elizabeth since the start of the series. Plus, Philip seems to be getting more and more defiant towards Gabriel. |
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| Krystal | Apr 23 2016, 11:16 AM Post #38 |
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I think Phillip has always been the more moral one and really doesn't like to use people whereas Elizabeth is completely amoral and doesn't care who gets hurt. He really does care about Martha even though he doesn't love her like a man would love a wife. I feel terrible for Martha and I really hope she can get out of this alive and not in Russia. |
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| Krystal | Apr 23 2016, 11:17 AM Post #39 |
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In the beginning didn't phillip tell Martha that he was working for some us agency? |
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| KMInfinity | Apr 23 2016, 02:40 PM Post #40 |
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Yes Krystal, I think that was his original cover story - that he worked for some secret defense dept that kept tabs on the agencies (a la the NSA today). I think it was when the FBI office found the pen, he had to let out the truth as she realized too much didn't add up...BUT he never told Elizabeth or Gabriel that he had pretty much dropped the subterfuge with Martha. |
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| bilki | Apr 27 2016, 11:39 PM Post #41 |
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This show is so good at building up to anti-climatic moments that I'm no longer convinced that I'll experience a fully satisfying resolution. While I was hoping for the FBI to find Martha first, I realized it wouldn't happen because that would be much more exciting than her being shipped off to Russia. And, shipping Martha off to a lonely life in Russia made me hate Philip and Elizabeth more than when Elizabeth made the old woman eat all of her heart pills last season. |
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| Gatekeeper | Apr 29 2016, 09:59 AM Post #42 |
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I was thinking Elizabeth was going to kill Martha. I still don't think Martha will make it to Russia. I think she will end up floating with the fishes somewhere. I am really enjoying this season. LOL ... Loved the rat in a jar and then putting it in the freezer. Sweet! |
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| Krystal | Apr 29 2016, 10:49 AM Post #43 |
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I kept hoping she wouldn't go to a public place and ask the police to call the FBI. I'm not sure she will make it to rush it either but that would be cruel to us fans to kill off Nina and her as well. I also thought Elizabeth might just kill her right there. I really hate Elizabeth. I am hoping that in the series finale that Philip turns Elizabeth in in order to save himself and the rest of the family. |
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| blosslover | Apr 29 2016, 01:13 PM Post #44 |
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I just wonder how many more seasons "The Americans" can go with the deaths of certain characters. Do you think they are going to do a reboot of some nature? |
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| KMInfinity | Apr 29 2016, 05:59 PM Post #45 |
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I originally read (after S3?) they only intended to do five seasons and had their plans developed accordingly. I'll check PTV and see if that's a plan... This one was slow for me, for some reason I didn't think Martha would be killed at all. How did the FBI eavesdrop on her call to her parents, but not hear the call to Phillip/the call drop center? |
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| Gatekeeper | Apr 30 2016, 06:02 AM Post #46 |
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I figured they 'tapped' into her parents line knowing she may call. They don't know the call drop center phone number. She is doing them all from payphones so that is the only thing that make sense. |
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| KMInfinity | Apr 30 2016, 09:25 AM Post #47 |
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Ah, that does make sense. Thanks! Paranoia strikes deep.... :D |
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| Gatekeeper | Apr 30 2016, 11:11 AM Post #48 |
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LOL! One of the things I like about this show it was before the time of cell phones, internet, NSA (as we know it). It kind of makes it fun to watch them struggle with the technology they have available. ;) |
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| Krystal | Apr 30 2016, 01:00 PM Post #49 |
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Yes as much as I hate the internet and cell phone sometimes I can't imagine having to look for a payphone to call somebody in an emergency. The other thing to think about is how women were rarely in positions of authority in those days. Martha considered her life a failure because she wasn't married. She had a good job but she would never be an agent she would continue to be a secretary. One of the issues I have with the show is Keri Russell as a Russian agent. Especially a Russian agent who can beat up guys. Russell looks nothing like any of the Russian people I knew in that time and I knew hundreds because our church was Russian Orthodox. And as far as the martial arts business that is a complete fabrication as well. Did she learn it when she was a teenager or what and where does she practice it? In order to maintain proficiency in the Arts you have to go several times a week and practice. So I find this little snip of a girl who looks like a total Presbyterian to be completely unrealistic for the role. In the meantime the people the residence and even Nina look completely realistic. The actor who plays Philip could pass maybe. |
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| Krystal | May 6 2016, 07:40 PM Post #50 |
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It was sad to see Martha go but better than a bullet to the brain like for Nina. Perhaps Martha will be considered a hot chick in Russia and considered a hero for what you did so perhaps there is a decent ending for her. At least one could hope. So Paige is finding out what it means to be a spy and it's not so great. I wonder what will happen to the minister and his wife. |
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| Gatekeeper | May 7 2016, 07:46 AM Post #51 |
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I'm still confused why they got rid of Nina so fast. I kept thinking Martha was going to get a bullet in the head too. I just can't imagine her going to Russia without trying to run away again. She must have taken a bunch of Valium. They need to kill the minister family. They should have done it before minister's wife got pregnant. Now it will make things worse. I would have really been pissed off if Stan walked into my house and went directly for the beer in my refrigerator and then walked out with a 6-pack. If he did that to my wine I would have ended his life right then in my kitchen. :P |
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| KMInfinity | May 7 2016, 08:46 AM Post #52 |
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I agree the pacing seems to be 'off' but this show does have a history of slow build so I'll cut it some slack. I do think we have not heard the last of Martha. She's actually still 'en route' so maybe she tries to dodge in Prague? I think Nina's death was intended to propel this whole 'turn' Oleg (Borov) plot that keeps being hinted with Stan. Maybe they are gonna play with the "MAD balance" and show how one side wins something (Martha's info/escape) and then the other side (Stan turns Oleg). That was an awesome scene with Elizabeth and Paige - I also wonder if it's going to be Paige who ends up approving of the execution of the minister and family and who she decides. I can easily see Elizabeth laying out the options for Paige if things get dicey, and rubbing her nose in the decision. Paige's ultimate loyalty could be an end game... Is she an "American?" Does she put her family ahead of politics (leading to support for the Soviets if P/E stay loyal) or does she ever see the Soviet side of the political/military/spy game POV? I have to admit I wasn't a big Paige fan but they've twisted the story into a place I'm interested in seeing develop. |
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| bilki | May 7 2016, 10:37 AM Post #53 |
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The scene with Elizabeth screaming at Paige with a vein bulging out of her forehead could have been a scene from my childhood. I just wanted to give Paige a hug, lol. I reasoned Martha was being so cooperative over being shipped off to Russia because she really does love "Clark" so much that she doesn't want any harm to come to him, which made me even more disgusted with Philip. It had been so long since we'd seen Lisa and her alcoholic boyfriend (husband?) that I can't even remember what that mission was about. Obvious that it was over for her as soon as she mentioned the police. Loved the yelling match between Philip and Elizabeth and how they were comparing the emotional attachments the other has formed along the way. I think I finished the episode feeling like Elizabeth is the worse of the two because she takes such a cold-hearted approach to things. But maybe Philip is worse because he appears to be more pained by things, yet continues with the behavior. Edited by bilki, May 7 2016, 10:38 AM.
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| Dax | May 25 2016, 01:16 PM Post #54 |
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Two more seasons coming. 5 will be 13, 6 will be 10. 75 episodes total. http://deadline.com/2016/05/the-americans-end-run-2-season-renewal-fx-seasons-5-6-1201762485/ |
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| Krystal | May 26 2016, 03:25 PM Post #55 |
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Bilki, I'm sure had enough rounds with my mother screaming at me like that as well. Not such good memories. Both episodes were good, I hated Elizabeth all the more for acting like she had sex with her friend's husband. She is destroying their family after they have been so good to her. I have not eatched the most recent one yet. I was glad that the pastor was not killed and I think it was interesting that it was finally resonating with page that she might end up having to go to Russia. I really was not a paige fan, but it has been pretty intense and I have to say the girl is doing a great job in the role. |
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| KMInfinity | Jun 10 2016, 04:27 PM Post #56 |
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Wasn't impressed with the finale. I don't think I cared enough about William, and the situation seems too contrived, because I just don't believe they will go "home" to Russia. It seemed a weird time to introduce Misha-the-son.... There were some good scenes, like Stan inviting Phillip in and talking about Paige and his son getting married. :D |
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| bilki | Jun 10 2016, 06:19 PM Post #57 |
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I think I liked William more than you, KMI, but I thought his story felt relatively pointless in the grand scheme of things. The one thing I did like was him infecting himself with the virus (?), because I don't think he believed he would go "home" and live the pretty picture that Gabriel was trying to paint. Does Gabriel ever get sick and tired of spinning fairytales for these people? Does he even have a soul? Martha's story was my favorite part of the season. Odd that they resolved that in the middle of the season and saved William's anti-climatic story for the finale. I have no idea why they gave this show 2 more seasons. |
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| Dax | Jul 3 2016, 03:27 AM Post #58 |
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Finally caught up. I enjoyed the season... Was only spoiled about Nina. Surprised and saddened by Gaad's end. Poor Martha. http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/americans-bosses-on-endgame-we-hope-theyll-still-trust-us-two-years-from-now |
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