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| Dax | Jan 30 2016, 02:32 PM Post #1 |
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bilki, after #1 >> Colony was OK. Didn't feel all that original (I was hoping for a more Mr Robot-like show), though the twist at the end was intriguing. The Hollywood Reporter reviewer said it gets better, so I'll continue watching for now. Plus, I want to see what Kathy Baker gets to do. Me, but I hadn't seen it yet >> Ooh, I like Kathy Baker... Gate >> I liked Colony. It works for me. I thought it was different and want to know more about what is going on. My husband just kept saying 'You like it because of Sawyer'. LOL ... that helped a lot. :) Krystal >> I will try Colony soon. KMI >> Watched E1 of Colony. mmmm, Josh.... It feels very stale to me. After the finale of Falling Skies, Childhood's End, and The Expanse it seems pretty basic. I'll stick with it awhile to see if they develop the characters, and to see what the aliens are like. Me >> Colony (USA) - Josh Holloway -- Will Bowman Sarah Wayne Callies -- Katie Bowman Peter Jacobson -- Alan Snyder Amanda Righetti -- Maddie Kenner Tory Kittles -- Broussard Alex Neustaedter -- Bram Bowman Isabella Crowetti-Cramp -- Gracie Bowman I'm in for a season (it's 10 episodes). No, it's not the immediate 'wow' that Mr. Robot was, but I'm intrigued enough. I like Holloway. We have seen a few invasion stories now, and the fences and armed guards felt like what we just saw recently on Fear the Walking Dead, but the husband-and-wife-working-at-cross-purposes thing looks like it might be fun. I think it's got potential. KMI >> I agree that's one facet I'm interested in. I've seen it explored in novels, not really in shows. There are elements that remind me a lot of Heinlein's Puppetmasters (written 1951, 3 years before Finney's Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and much better). bilki >> I re-watched Colony. My favorite scene was still when the Proxy Governor showed up to make the family breakfast. I think I'm more interested in him than Josh Holloway's character. There were some good Sawyer moments on LOST but I don't find Holloway to be all that compelling (ducks). Lori (Sarah Wayne Callies) was one of the main reasons I quit watching S1 of The Walking Dead but I think she works for me here. If Carlton Cuse weren't involved, I would hope for this to be like The Americans with aliens. Me >> Cuse very busy since Lost - I like Bates Motel, but the second season of The Strain was pretty dull, and the remake of The Returned didn't work... I don't know anything about Colony co-creator Ryan Condal, really... He wrote a recent Hercules film that Dwayne Johnson was in, and worked with Cuse on a pilot of a comics adaptation (The Sixth Gun) that didn't go forward a few years ago... Krystal >> We watched colony last night. I thought it was pretty good or at least good enough to watch a few more. I don't care for the woman who's the lead. But I like Josh Holloway enough. ----- #2 ----- bilki >> I was mildly impressed with Episode 2 of Colony. Carlos didn't get a happy ending and Katie's intel to the mysterious-resistance-guy probably didn't help in the way she thought it would. Always happy to see Kathy Baker, even if they didn't give her much to do. Gate >> I like Colony a lot. Very curious about what is going on. Krystal >> What did happen to Carlos and the other ones who went to the farm? Was that white light supposed to be disintegrating them or what? I'm interested in the show but if it gets too confusing I may not hang with it. KMI >> Yeah I enjoyed E2 more than I expected, partly because of the balance. The show is juggling a lot of different things well. The biggest I assume moving forward is Katie's dilemmas. She wants Will to find her son, wants to help the Resistance, yet both come thru Will collaborating. And Will may be not be so averse to collaborating in the long run - what if he comes to accept that collaboration is the right thing to do? If Will's boss is right, and the aliens are truly THAT dominant, then it makes sense to cooperate to survive, to find out a possible long term strategy that will save lives/the human race. Despite the costs to civil liberties, justice, etc? It's a really good question (and one Childhood's End sort of sidestepped) - What if resistance IS TRULY futile? But Geronimo claims to be on the verge of a major strike capable of real damage. Are they deluded? I think I'll trust Will's boss on this. Not to mention the spycraft of the Resistance seems really poor. I keep comparing Will's actions and Katie's phone calls and undercover activity with Carrie Mathison. Granted Katie probably wasn't a pro 8 months ago, but Will was. Do they not think their homes are bugged? At this point I don't really care about the Factory mystery. It may simply be a euphemism code for a death camp. The set-up looked that way. Though I people on PTV pointed out that the vics were NOT dead at the end, (which I also noted) but in fact actually showered (literally sterilized) - to work with the aliens some way without contaminating the aliens? If so, then that's a huge clue that this might have a 'War of the Worlds' end, which I hope not. Too commonplace. Against the idea - kids are sent to The Factory. Would they be wanted to work? Or is The Factory many things? I saw suggestions the aliens may need cyborg components - unwilling Daleks. It'd be nice to finally get some Dr. Who influence. Some viewers are claiming the people looked zombiefied/brain wiped at the end of the process. I didn't notice that, anyone else? It would be nice if the aliens were here for a logical reason this time, instead of for....water....or to eat people. (SMH and looking at "V"). The craziest idea I've seen, and maybe the coolest, is that there is no alien invasion - it's a modified False Flag scenario being used by a new world government to take over and control. Krystal >> I really haven't put so much bartender the show. It seems to me that the wife could tell the husband that she is part of the resistance and what's he going to do he's in it to save the family so he can't really tell on her. Maybe they should talk to one another and then see what information would be best leaked. I thought the people who went to the farm or killed did someone see them alive after they had been in the chamber or whatever it was? I agree about having the house is bugged in the car and everything else seems to me that they're being very careless and sloppy about having conversations and communications. Gate >> LOL! I do think it is completely stupid that the husband and wife don't talk to each other because they both want the same thing ... their kid back. What I find stupid is the wife taking a chance on getting the husband killed with her sneaking around. I'm still enjoying it but I do call the BS flag a lot. Krystal >> Yes this show could get old to me real fast if there's this ongoing lies between the wife and the husband. Obviously he's doing this to keep them safe and to try to get the son back. And it seems to me if she told him they could coordinate and just need enough to make it look like he was doing his job. Of course we really don't know anything about the aliens are the overlords or whatever they are. Is there really a chance to get back to normalcy or is the power of the aliens such that we have no prayer no matter what? bilki >> Quote: What if resistance IS TRULY futile? But Geronimo claims to be on the verge of a major strike capable of real damage. Are they deluded? I think I'll trust Will's boss on this. Yes, defeat in 8 days is damn quick! Why does Geronimo think the resistance even has a chance? I wondered if there's a faction of the aliens that may be helping the humans. Quote: Some viewers are claiming the people looked zombiefied/brain wiped at the end of the process. I didn't notice that, anyone else? They only show Carlos' face when the group is emerging in the hospital-looking garb. He's staring blankly into the bright light. Quote: The craziest idea I've seen, and maybe the coolest, is that there is no alien invasion - it's a modified False Flag scenario being used by a new world government to take over and control. The composition of that wall looks beyond our technology. ----- #3 ----- bilki >> I liked that Katie's mission was considered a success but didn't play out as the fairy tale she imagined. It's clear that she's a new member but what was she expecting? She knew about the explosion in first episode. Only the "bad" guys will suffer casualties? And, I wonder if we'll get a good explanation as to why she didn't tell Will about her becoming a part of the Resistance before he joined Homeland Security. Did we meet Geronimo in the beginning of the episode, or is that a code name people are using? I'm settling into the idea that this show may be more about whether to act out or keep the peace, rather than being just about a battle against the aliens. I'm still ruminating on why Will is posing such a problem for the Resistance. It looks like Beau (Carl Weathers) isn't in a hurry to solve any crimes but he said that Jennifer is a true believer. Jennifer hasn't made any headway against them? I liked Beau's story about being there because of his dishwasher. They're still making beer in San Fran and making whiskey in Kentucky. It was odd to me that Katie was talking to Broussard about Resistance info as he sat at the bar with all of those people around him. Do the Bowmans trust that creepy teacher??? KMI >>I'm really liking this more and more, because it does seem to be delving into characters and how they are dealing with the challenges, rather than harping on the tired "who are the aliens and what do they want' as the main focus. I agree, Bilki - the show may be more about whether to act out or keep the peace, rather than being just about a battle against the aliens. I'd add that the story is exploring choices in general - where are the lines "you" won't cross? what will you do to survive? How do you juggle competing goals? I like this aspect a LOT. Quote: I liked that Katie's mission was considered a success but didn't play out as the fairy tale she imagined. It's clear that she's a new member but what was she expecting? She knew about the explosion in first episode Agreed. I think they did a good job showing the nitty gritty of rebellion. Very messy. Lots of collateral damage. Ambiguous goals especially in the beginning. The whole point to all that death was just to get some data on response times for the drones (Stopwatch One) and HS (Stopwatch Two). The supplies were a secondary issue, probably to provide good will to encourage people to look favorably on geronimo despite the collateral damage going forward. Which also came out in the radio broad cast, which I LOVED! Quote: And, I wonder if we'll get a good explanation as to why she didn't tell Will about her becoming a part of the Resistance before he joined Homeland Security. I assume it's to keep him safe. The classic example is that you want to minimize risk if tortured. I don't always buy the logic. Too much secrecy results in weak effectiveness in any organization, and they should see that in this case, given Will's skills. Which makes it even worse that she continues to hide it form him, and HE TOO is hiding stuff from her.* Quote: Did we meet Geronimo in the beginning of the episode, or is that a code name people are using? I think it's going to be a "John Galt" scenario..... No person, an ideal... Quote: I'm still ruminating on why Will is posing such a problem for the Resistance. It looks like Beau (Carl Weathers) isn't in a hurry to solve any crimes but he said that Jennifer is a true believer. Jennifer hasn't made any headway against them? Here's where I think this is going: *FROM ABOVE: Will wants to save his son. That's priority one. He needs to gain HS's trust quickly, so he's gangbusters getting the job done. BUT.... In the bar's back storeroom he alludes to having a longer range plan. WAG time: I think he might ALREADY be in the resistance, or plans to join them, and that depends on his early acceptance into HS. In fact, if anyone is Geronimo, I am betting it's him. No one knows it, not even the guys directly under him taking orders. He was a Ranger, then a top FBI guy. He has the skills to have started the resistance and could be directing them anonymously. But he doesn't know the low level stuff directly,so he doesn't realize (yet) his wife is involved. Quote: I liked Beau's story about being there because of his dishwasher. Just getting along... At some point, he will have a crisis of conscience. Probably have to step up and sacrifice himself for Will. :P Quote: They're still making beer in San Fran and making whiskey in Kentucky. We learn LA is cut off it most ways, especially news of the outside. And from the son's GF, that everyone outside the Wall is gone. Her knowledge of getting outside the wall is going to be a HUGE plot point. Love that so far all she sees is to use it for scavenging. Son will see the bigger picture. LOVED seeing Adam Busch as the school teacher... He's going to figure into this plot I think. Quote: It was odd to me that Katie was talking to Broussard about Resistance info as he sat at the bar with all of those people around him. That actually rang true for me. The Purloined Letter strategy. Hide in plain site. If his face is not known, no big deal at all. Quote: Do the Bowmans trust that creepy teacher??? I loved Erin Way in Alphas. Her role here is unclear. Initially, we're to suspect her as aplant from the Proxy Snyder dude, but I'm betting she is resistance, to keep an eye on Katie. ----- And... thread. Yeah, 1 and 2, we're still in the 'testing' phase, maybe, but if you have that much to say about #3 of something, start a thread, it's obviously 'earned' being worthy... (does Magicians get one?) Good to see your estimations of Colony going up from hour to hour instead of down... I still haven't seen 2 or 3 yet, but hope to catch up this weekend. Read a fun stupid letter from somebody to (TV Guide's) Matt Roush, saying they were so confused by the 'disorienting' slow reveals of the pilot, they thought for sure there had to be one before it that they'd missed... I really do think it's better sometimes to be 'thrown in' and get the exposition later. I don't mind when stories don't always start at 'the beginning' (although I am pretty burnt out on the framing device popularized by Alias where we see something late in the story and then go back to '48 hours earlier'... that's really been run into the ground... now, HTGAWM is doing what Revenge did, showing us flashes of stuff we won't get to for hours, and it's getting annoying... didn't bother me on Bloodline, though, so it CAN still work for me...) |
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| KMInfinity | Jan 30 2016, 05:14 PM Post #2 |
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O dear Dax, I hope you didn't have to copy and paste all that. I thought mods had a magic button to click and move the actual posts. But thanks. And yeah, I think Magicians needs a thread already, even if it's just me and Bilki. :P |
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| Dax | Jan 30 2016, 05:32 PM Post #3 |
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I did, but it was no big deal... I don't think there's a click-and-move-to-another button... Or we could, but then they'll be removed from the original thread, and there were some non-Colony thoughts in some of those posts, so I wouldn't wanna do that... I could have made links-to-the-posts-in-the-other-thread, but that would take the same amount of time and not be as pretty... |
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| bilki | Jan 31 2016, 01:04 AM Post #4 |
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Interesting theory! I figure there's going to be a big twist somewhere along the way, and that would qualify. |
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| Krystal | Jan 31 2016, 03:33 PM Post #5 |
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Dax, for the work you did on that. I tend to think he must be Geronimo as well. Well we'll see where this goes. |
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| Krystal | Jan 31 2016, 03:36 PM Post #6 |
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I like Holloway but I don't think you'll be putting in an Emmy Award performances. As far as Sarah Callies goes, she irritated me in prison break and I hated her in the walking dead. She seems less irritating in this series although I would have preferred another female for the lead |
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| KMInfinity | Jan 31 2016, 05:49 PM Post #7 |
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I like her. But apparently everywhere there are posters saying how hard it is to separate their dislike of her Walking Dead role. Was she that bad? wow. |
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| Krystal | Jan 31 2016, 06:50 PM Post #8 |
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Glad I'm not the only one. |
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| Gatekeeper | Feb 1 2016, 12:39 PM Post #9 |
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Sarah Callies is not one of my favorites but she is head and shoulder above kim Raver (Audrey Raines in '24'). I am still rooting for Rick & Carl to be eaten by the walkers. :P |
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| Dax | Feb 4 2016, 04:15 PM Post #10 |
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http://deadline.com/2016/02/colony-renewed-season-2-usa-1201696580/ |
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| bilki | Feb 5 2016, 07:44 PM Post #11 |
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NOOOOOOOOOO! I hated that ending! |
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| KMInfinity | Feb 6 2016, 09:31 AM Post #12 |
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I expected it since last episode, when it was clear the older resistance 'leader?' (name?) asked Katie to identify Phyllis, but I thought it would be an end-of-season thing. Then when Phyllis-HS director? showed that folder to Katie I knew she was toast. So...who has that folder? Did she give it to Katie? Does anyone else have that info? Who was she on the phone with reporting about her new asset? The firebomb was just dumb. The point was to get a pic of Phyllis? By throwing so much danger at the Bowmans? Pus, are they sure that killing Phyllis was a good thing in the long run? The resistance needs to get a whole lot smarter for this show to succeed in the long run. More later.... |
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| bilki | Feb 6 2016, 12:27 PM Post #13 |
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I've seen some people saying that because the show spent more with Phyllis in this episode they knew she was a goner. But I usually miss those warning signs. I was just happy that we were getting to know her a bit more. If Geronimo is in the green zone, it would seem safe to assume that he/she has access to some kind of valuable intel. Although, it still looks like the Resistance is take somewhat educated stabs in the dark. Phyllis believed that the many different cells of the Resistance weren't working together, so that could be part of the problem. Helena. She has direct contact with the aliens? "Their perception of time makes them unpredictable" was an interesting statement. |
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| Krystal | Feb 7 2016, 02:08 PM Post #14 |
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Bummer, I have like Cindy Pickett a lot and really hated to see her go. Was somewhat surprised as I thought she might play a bigger role and become a sort of double agent herself. |
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| bilki | Feb 19 2016, 09:01 PM Post #15 |
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I'm starting to get frustrated by the lack of information. And since we know Snyder is a big, stinking liar, I don't consider anything he says as reliable info. There's some speculation at PreTV that Quayle may be some kind of double agent who is trying to get Synder removed so that someone he is connected to might take Snyder's place. That would make the Resistance smarter than they seem, though it's hard to say, yet, if the show is that smart. Hopefully, Will realizes Katie is working with the Resistance now but doesn't want to have an open discussion about it. While I was intrigued by Snyder at first, I was hoping he'd be dead by the end of the episode. I'd say I'm having trouble really caring about any of them. I don't mind that I probably dislike Katie, as it's working for me at this point. Will is just "Sawyer" off of the island, which means I care only in certain situations. The rest seem like minor players, who may or may not get a compelling storyline. OK, I watched Ally Walker on Profiler! I did enjoy her on that show. I had to look her up because it was driving me crazy. Edited by bilki, Feb 19 2016, 09:04 PM.
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| KMInfinity | Feb 20 2016, 10:29 PM Post #16 |
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I actually enjoyed this episode. It had that 'bottle episode' quality, being limited in location and character focus. I do like that they tried to give some shades and layers to Snyder but I just couldn't care about him. His character would work better if he really was 'the best there is' and was a really god guy doing the best he could because he thought collaborating was the only option, and we knew that was all possibly true. I do agree this may actually be an internal political struggle orchestrated by Quayle. I do actually like Katie a lot. And Sawyer (yes, he's Sawyer post-Island - I can't decide if it's due to JH or the writing. It may simply be the scruffy look. Yes I'm shallow sometimes. :P) I do also like Broussard a lot. I didn't realize who he was from SOA until this episode when it started bugging me that I knew him. Stuff that bugs me>>>> *98 seconds for the drones to arrive. Anywhere? Because, suddenly, trapped in the Yonk, it's gonna be a half hour??? *While I like that we learned a teeny tiny bit about the situation (7 colonies on the Left coast; the aliens are humbling) IF snyder is telling the truth, it's teased out sooo slowly and comes with new questions. this is what i disliked about Lost. The problem with the lack of understanding of the scenario is that it makes it harder to care about people and the stakes. And the writing isn't quite enough to build that care and identification from scratch. *Will had BETTER realize she's Resistance. *The idea that katie is a double agent comes too pat and too soon. Quayle is thus either stupid or merely a plot device. |
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| Dax | Feb 22 2016, 02:27 PM Post #17 |
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I saw 2 & 3 yesterday, but still have 4-6 to go, so I won't talk or read yet... |
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| Gatekeeper | Feb 22 2016, 05:46 PM Post #18 |
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KMI, I agree with everything you said except the 'I like Katie a lot'. I keep thinking to myself 'Why aren't you talking to your husband?'. Oh welcome to the 'shallow' end to the pool and Sawyer love. |
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| bilki | Feb 22 2016, 07:01 PM Post #19 |
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I can see why Katie isn't talking to Sawyer at this point. She's trying to steal intel from him without him knowing about it. But if they had a healthy relationship, she could just tell him and they'd have an opportunity to work together to get the kid back. I'm assuming there's something broken with their relationship, as she didn't tell him before he started working for Homeland. Or, it's all just a silly plot device. I'd like to know why Broussard seems to have a soft spot for Katie. Agreed. I've started thinking of this show as The Americans without the strong writing and acting. It worked for me, especially if Quayle is a suspicious man and events connected to Katie's intel have all gone wrong. |
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| Krystal | Feb 23 2016, 12:00 AM Post #20 |
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I still think it's stupid that Katie doesn't come clean with her husband. I don't think she's a double agent she was just trying not to get her husband killed. In any case I still don't like the woman who plays katie, can Josh holiday will always be Sawyer to me. Boy he sure looks yummy with his shirt off :-) |
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| KMInfinity | Feb 23 2016, 06:29 PM Post #21 |
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This is pure spec... unless people at PTV are using spoilers to spec, which they do all the time in the Game of Thrones threads. :P Katie and Broussard had/are having an affair... um.... |
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| bilki | Feb 27 2016, 07:21 PM Post #22 |
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If Broussard's copy of Nostromo was a big reveal, I guess we gave Sawyer too much credit last week. I suppose the show wants us to think he is in some kind of denial over Katie's working with the resistance but it's bordering on making him look like an idiot. I loved Broussard's house blowing up on the red hats. This episode made me finally care about Broussard, and at this point I'll be disappointed when he dies. Not thrilled to have the "Greatest Day" nonsense dropped in our laps this late in the season. And the children-are-our-future aspect made me groan. Katie's sister and Adrian Pasdar feel like they're on a different show. Don't care much for the sexy time dynamics but I was pleased she confronted him about playing games with her life when she has so much more to lose than him. It still feels like the show is setting up for more questions than they'll be able to answer. |
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| bilki | Mar 20 2016, 09:54 AM Post #23 |
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They piqued my interest with the capture of the alien creature. I thought we might FINALLY get some decent answers. But that finale was as disappointing as the rest of the season. I still like the concept of the show but the execution is groan-worthy. I'm not sure if I'll give it another chance for the next season. |
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| KMInfinity | Mar 20 2016, 07:42 PM Post #24 |
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Yeah you know it's in trouble when peopleare comparing it unfavorably to Falling Skies and grumbling about impenetrable LostPlots... There's a lot I like but I agree, groanworthy execution. Plus, they have so may intriguing ideas and then fizzle them. For instance, fans in several venues wanted to know what was going on Outside the Wall. Bram finds a way Outside the Wall....and abruptly, that plot gets shut down. Silly writers. And I think some people are not 'getting' the point of a ten episode season. You're not supposed to stretch a 22 episode traditional arc over two ten episode seasons., |
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| bilki | Mar 20 2016, 09:48 PM Post #25 |
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Yes, a longer season wasn't going to help the situation. They had plenty of time to give us a few satisfying answers. Bram getting captured as Sawyer is going off to find the other son just made me want to punch the television. Such an insipid plot development. While I'm at it, I'll take this opportunity to bitch about Quayle changing his mind mid-stream and turning against the Resistance. At the very least, they could have spent a little time setting up why he was a part of the group and why he'd change his mind like that. |
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| Krystal | Mar 20 2016, 11:37 PM Post #26 |
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I agree it was pretty lame. Number one I have always said what the fuck with the wall there would be a million tunnels under it Every Witch Way. They really didn't let us get a good look at the alien and being that it was an alien, how did they even know if it was alive or dead or if cutting into it if they could wouldn't release toxic fumes or bacteria. |
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| Dax | Apr 15 2016, 12:26 AM Post #27 |
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Finally watched #10... Show was okay. Not better than that... Some good dramatic stakes, but... I don't know. Didn't feel very special. I might watch 2, but I might not... Krystal, you said something about liking Cindy Pickett, but she wasn't in this.. Think you might have been talking about Kathy Baker's character... |
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