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Gilmore Girls; Season 8
Topic Started: Jan 29 2016, 06:33 PM (1,187 Views)
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Geez, that would be like whiplash!

I've been catching some of the reruns on Up (I think). Season Seven wasn't TERRIBLE upon rewatch.
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Cracked up at some of the "Where's Sookie" ideas....

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Glad Padalecki will be there.

Wait? Sutton Foster? Am I not remembering her in the original? Or is she a new cast member for this?


Wouldn't have cared if Christopher was MIA.....
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frankly, I'm okay with it. I'd rather the stories for S8 be organic, and not shoehorn every single Stars Hollows resident ever into the plot, which this sometimes sounds like it's threatening to happen. GG's Stars Hollow always danced on a tightrope of being just a little too cute.

I'm just hoping they're using Sutton Foster well. :P
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aw shucks.

I looked thru "best episodes" lists and chose 5-6 per seasons 3-7 and am going to try to watch one a night until Christmas break, then binge, then buy myself a free month of Netflix and see where I am.

It helps that a colleague has convinced me that even "downsized" my curriculum is so strong it is still better than most, so I am also in the process of revamping my curriculum with the goal of making my life easier. Leading to more walking dogs and dinners out with friends and more reading and... NETFLIX TIME! :P
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I know that feeling soooo well from Survivor analysis. Sorry.
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Not peeking above. Dropping by to say that I checked out some old reviews and thread discussions on various sites while rewatching. I never followed the show online "live" like I would today.

I did NOT know that there is a strong anti ASP/GG faction who despise the "sex is bad" theme running thru the show. But once it was pointed out, ho boy is it ever a subtext, and makes me increasingly turned off by a lot of the conflicts/plots. The mini-arc where Paris has sex for the first time, then finds out she didn't get into Harvard, then falls apart on C-Span... yikes. Such a trope I didn't expect on GG, and the fact that I didn't notice it the first time around makes me realize just how far we have NOT come, and how unreconstructed I am at my subconscious core.

If the scenes were written with the intent of highlighting a real world issue, then fine. But these scenes seem to literally buy-in to that mentality. Lorelai literally says with a smirk to herself, "I have the good girl." when she overhears Rory tell Paris she is a virgin, after Paris says she has lost her virginity to Jamie, the Princeton guy.

GG is NOT holding up well for me on rewatch, even after skipping the binge-every episode approach and now only watching the "best of each season." It's moving into the 2nd tier - ambitious, with strong quality markers, but very flawed,.
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I know LG and Scott Patterson had issues, and LG and AB were not buds... hmmmm...
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Gilmore Girls running commentary After the experience of bingeing S1-7, and having generalized dissatisfaction I couldn't pin down, I decided to take notes and type up commentary after each of the Four Seasons. I was "busy" doing colon prep, so it was a good distraction. :P

All seasons 1-7

Okay now I've lost a long post summarizing my S1-7 rewatch recap. GRRRRRRRRRRR Which pisses me off as I had the Four Seasons revival in a saved, edited Word doc of running commentary after watching each Season so why the HELL didn't I do the same with the recap?

I'll save and add>>>

The brief version:

I liked S5 the best, and not just because I like Logan, and not just because Luke and Lor have the strongest relationship in that season.

It seems like ASP went off the rails in S6, and either consciously or unconsciously sabotaged the show once she knew she wouldn’t be part of S7. The intro of April was awful, and even handled well would have been crap, and it wasn’t handled well.

I was surprised that I didn’t hate S7 as much as I thought I would, and in fact, liked some parts of it better than I expected, and think some parts turned out better than were ASP had things heading by the end of S6.


Winter

I like that Luke and Lor are already long term. That they have been together since the finale. Not sure I like that they’re “stuck” in a limbo, rather than content in a non-traditional relationship. I guess that will form plot fodder. I kinda wish they had a couple of kids and were all settled…then discovered their marriage wasn’t valid. LoL

I like Logan a lot, and do not see the character as a spoiled rich brat, like so many others do. Yes he comes from privilege and sometimes reverts to the stereotypical - but I see him as much more of a Kennedy type that a Paris Hilton type. So I love that he and Rory have a long term FWB; and imo the only reason they STILL aren't married and he's engaged to someone else is that Rory keeps saying No, for no good reason except that she isn't actually up to his weight and knows it. Not sure if there's even a bit of intent by ASP for that interpretation, but that's okay, imo writers often don't know the power of their own creations to find a voice contrary to the writer's intent. :tongue:

Forgettable Paul = stupid gimmick. And later, a very nasty commentary on Rory’s hollowness and shallowness. If intentional by ASP, rather than as a flat joke, it will be interesting. Otherwise, another example of poor plotting and follow thru by ASP.

Unless backstory happens, I am assuming Rory keeps saying no to marriage to Logan, even though he is engaged. So my increasing dislike of Rory seems to be validated as this “Year” picks up where S7 left off.

And in general: it kinda sucks that we’re dropped into the middle of Rory’s troubles, and given almost no “catchup” highlights or backstory chatter. With Luke and Lor it works, because one can assume events in Stars Hollow are sorta timeless. But Rory is THIRTY TWO, about the same age as Lorelai when we met her in S1. Has she really been bebopping around freelancing all this time? That seems un-Rory-like, even though some people find it believable IRL.

Overall, “Winter” confirmed for me that Mitchum Huntzberger was right and Rory did NOT have what it takes to be a journalist. Being a good writer =/= being a journalist, even though some skills overlap.

It’s actually amazing that I love the characters so much despite the bad plot driven tripe. Like, lorelai couldn’t come p with some bland story about her dad at the funeral. That’s just pathetic.

Lane looks amazing.

Too much Kirk.

The revolving Inn Chefs, with celeb cameos – gag. And the backstory for Sookie’s absence is just crap. Bleah.

The tap dancing stress relief – dumb. In fact, a lot of the ASP conceits and jokes are falling flat for me.

Paris as a fertility expert worked for me okay. How it dovetailed with Luke and Lor, not so much.

1st Buffy reference, by Paris – negative, but then, it’s Paris, so that’s her as the unreliable narrator? (“Don't stand there shaking, just go, apologize to your parents, tell them you'll pay them back for the two semesters you spent studying Buffy the Vampire Slayer's affect on the feminist agenda.")

Michel’s material worked for me. I am assuming his role is larger with Sookie being MIA.

LOVED Alex Kingston… though she will always be River Song to me.

Overall, the Gilmore Girls seemed really self centered and immature. Which was a thing I noticed plowing thru the GG marathon. The writing just wasn’t strong enough to balance the needed conflicts with the characters’ belovedness. (to coin a word?)

In general, I feel like any three GG fanfic writers could have plotted better stories. The characters and dialog are ASP’s gift, the plot turns, not so much.

Spring

Logan engaged. But, imo, ready to commit to Rory the minute she says yes.

Kirk’s film. Blah.

Mr. Kim. Well that upsets a bunch of fanwanking but makes some fans happy. I’m sorry we didn’t get more with Lane. I hope in Summer/Fall?

The gay pride parade seemed “off” and somehow dated. Can’t put my finger on why it was a sour note.

The return to Chilton also felt really off. I would think Paris has learned to control her crazy spells better. In fact, I think a major flaw is that, on the one hand, ASP has allowed ten years to pass (no choice, really…right?) but on the other hand, wants to pick up with her own S7. Not working in spots. ETA: And I know they are treading a fine line with Rory’s life plans, but the implication that a teaching career isn’t “right” for her sorta pisses me off, and not just because I’m a teacher.

Loved the peek into Paris’ home life, and her kids do seem to love her despite her comments. I get why she and Doyle are split, but it would be cooler if she had a more stable, better home life and relationship that Rory. And cool that Danny Strong’s real life overlaps Doyle’s. lol

I know everyone was so excited about the therapy plot, but it didn’t work for me, mostly because it went nowhere. I guess maybe it will resonate later? We shall see.

I did feel bad for Rory dealing with her website job experience. And while it sort of highlighted just how empty her last ten years must have been, it also highlights how bad ASP plotted this. WTF? (See teacher plot griping)

Hate the Luke and Lor are still hiding stuff from each other (I won’t call it actual lying, but still) And over what, a franchise and a therapy appointment? Blah.

The Secret Bar was AWESOME…and so was Michel.

The Wookie sex seemed weird, not because it was weird per se, but because it seemed like a scene we should have SEEN not been told about. (Show don’t tell – the writer’s maxim.)

Summer

The pool scenes were cringe-inducing. From the fat shaming to the pool boys, just sorta icky and creepy.

I guess they wanted Emily to have a bit of “stars hollow wacky character” interaction – but I am just not buying that she would tolerate such a weird household full of odd, non-english speaking people. They needed to make some kind of connection, some real, earned reason Emily adapts and accepts that situation.

The Stars Hollow Musical – sucked in a not-funny way. Fifteen minutes, almost, of crap, wasting Sutton Foster, except for that extra number added in that gave Lorelai her epiphany.

And she needs to go hike? Just dumb, not interesting to me. Maybe if I knew anything about the book/movie they are referencing?

I hope Lorelai eventually verbalizes WHY she is so opposed to the book. And if she won’t give outright carte blanche to the daughter she supposedly loves to the moon and back, can’t she negotiate with her own daughter to hold some level of veto over possible versions of events, and wouldn’t Rory be more than happy to agree? Such bad crappy plotting. If this had been tied in with the counseling/trust/sharing issues with Emily, then maybe the plot would have meat. As it stands, it’s merely dues ex machine fake conflict creation.

So Rory is gonna edit the SH gazette. GIAFB. Really? Dumb. And the “humorous” wacky newspaper staff was just not at all funny.

Jess gets to be Rory’s conscience again, her touchstone. Bleah. Instead of a one night wookie, couldn’t the show explore something deeper with Jess? Gah…

I just do not see Emily dating this soon after Richard’s death. Nope, not in character at all.

I was not an April fan, but I like what they did with her here.

In general, I agree with the posters who think this was the worst of the four movies, and the one that clearly shows that ASP and DP did not work at all from the developments in S7. Some of which were good developments in character. Which makes the characters “10 years later” seem even more shallow and immature and silly than usual.

The lack of any meaningful Lane centered story is a crime.

What the FUCK ever happened to Rory’s trust fund? Which, based on the fact that Emily and Richard built a freakin’ science building at Yale as a “side line” means she should have millions, plus whatever came to her from grandma Lorelai, who was ready to give her a cool quarter mil as a kid, and so surely left her more after death. Again, bad bad plotting. Rory as a decadent, dilettante writer, living the high society life like Finn – that should have been the drama. With Logan as the responsible, mature dopplegang. Too internal and too sophisticated for ASP to handle I suppose.

Or, maybe she becomes political after a year on Obama’s bus, and leaves writing, and regrets it. IOW, there were a ton of good plot ideas and we got bupkis.

Until I read recaps, I didn’t realize that Berta the maid was played by the actress who is Gypsy.

Fall

I loved the return of the Life and Death Brigade, loved everything about that extended arc with Colin and Finn and Logan coming to SH to cheer Rory up. Okay, yeah, kinda dumb for thirtysomethings, but somehow very charming, which was not been easy to find in this revival in any season.

Given what we know about Melissa M’s return, I’m glad her cameo was a good as it was.

Nice scene with Dean. Short, but sensible. He will always be Dean Winchester’s brother Sam for me, but he looked good and the scene was integrally well done.

Emily in Nantucket with the immigrant family. Smh I suppose it’s to humanize her, but it feels really off – even as a reaction to Richard’s death. But overall, I LOVED Emily’s scenes throughout the seasons but especially here in Fall. Her DAR rant, her docent scene at the whaling museum. <3

I wish the plans with Dragonfly Two had been a larger plot development. I wanted to “see” it.

Since this is label Season 1 by Netflix, when will we get news of s2?

HATED the pacific hiking crap. Bah. A whole lotta wasted buildup for that phone call to Emily. Which wasn’t emotionally cathartic for me because A) should have been said at the funeral, with a better plotted segue, and B) the whole “Lorelai is on a physical epiphany trek” was just too much of an anvil dropping. (The mechanics of the writing were too obvious.)

I liked the “make-up” scene with Luke and Lor, and Luke’s speech was well done. SP overall was great in the seasons. I really liked how the wedding played out.

The final four words…shouldn’t have been a dialog exchange.

Better: (imho)

Mom.

What?

I’m pregnant.

(long looong pause)

It will be alright.


Is there anyone seriously thinking this ISN’T Logan’s baby? Would ASP make it the Wookie baby? Or, did she sleep with Jess off camera? Or she’s a surrogate for Michel? (well, that actually fits the plotting, but not the heart of the story. But would be very clueless-Asp writing, I guess)

I hate hate HATE the common consensus that Logan is the new Chris. That’s not Logan at all, based on what we’ve seen over and over from Chris and Logan. Then again, ASP hasn’t seen S7. Grrr I read something suggesting that instead, Logan is Lorelai – rebelling against family, snarking on tradition and wealth (tho Logan uses it, rather than eschews it), and are the dominant in the pairing (Lor over Chris/Logan over Rory)

Also, I think I hate Netflix for dumping all four movies at once. I would have loved to watch one a month, and take time to read and post, but was too afraid of being spoiled. Grrrr….

Edited by KMInfinity, Dec 26 2016, 12:38 PM.
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Wait. Dax you haven't seen SatC? :banned:

I think the fact that I liked Cary because I liked Logan was mentioned in TGW posts. :hearts:

In fact, I could relate it to liking Philip of GL. I think I have a thing for angsty cute rich boys. :D I'm not gonna try to defend him or justify it, because I know a lot of it is fanwanky stuff in my own head. Sort of like I liked Pete, on MM, and think Bledel isn't nearly good enough for him. :tongue:

I did read the past posts here and will follow up soon.
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