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| KMInfinity | Nov 26 2016, 05:41 PM Post #31 |
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aw shucks. I looked thru "best episodes" lists and chose 5-6 per seasons 3-7 and am going to try to watch one a night until Christmas break, then binge, then buy myself a free month of Netflix and see where I am. It helps that a colleague has convinced me that even "downsized" my curriculum is so strong it is still better than most, so I am also in the process of revamping my curriculum with the goal of making my life easier. Leading to more walking dogs and dinners out with friends and more reading and... NETFLIX TIME! :P |
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| Dax | Nov 26 2016, 06:29 PM Post #32 |
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Still shattered about the lost typing last night. Maybe I'll piecemail some of it back over the next few days. I just said so MUCH... grr, argh. |
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| KMInfinity | Nov 27 2016, 09:43 AM Post #33 |
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I know that feeling soooo well from Survivor analysis. Sorry. |
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| tgir | Nov 28 2016, 11:20 AM Post #34 |
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Dax, please do try to find time to write up your thoughts on this reunion show. Here's the part where I kind of ....poop all over the show. Not the characters: I liked them, for the most part, although Michel is just a big bore, imo. And Logan and his friends made me want to barf continually. What a bunch of baby Trumpettes. Ugh. Now I need another shower. Keep in mind that I didn't watch most of Gilmore Girls during its run and I didn't binge or even selectively sample from archived episodes. I mostly watched the 4 seasons with some basic background: I knew who characters were, knew backstories (mostly). Please don't hate me: I really really take exception to the way they treated Stars Hollow as a town, especially the notion that Stars Hollow would still be on a septic system. No way. That would not happen. Also the Mayor talking about the itsy bitsy things that the town's budget carries. No. Just not possible. No way no how. That town needs money to pay for streets and lights and water and sewage (no septic!), policing! licencing, dozens and dozens of bureaucratic infrastructure that no town can function without. Why does it matter? Bear with me, I'm about to go all political. Reading about election results and the Great Divide between urban vs rural areas, I have to say that I can understand why rural areas--which truly are more like a combination of rural plus small towns and cities--are pissed off. The condescension was palpable--and deeply offensive. And this is just one show. Reality is that people in rural areas and small towns and cities are generally very decent, hard working INTELLIGENT and YES: EDUCATED! Informed! people who choose their place of residence for hundreds of reasons which are as valid as the reasons that urbanites and suburbanites choose their places of residence. Generally, jobs are less plentiful and pay far less. Some cost of living is much less but when we moved from a large metropolitan area to a small city surrounded by farm land, a river valley, bluffs and prairies, I was shocked that only houses --and labor from people such as plumbers--were less expensive. Groceries were much more expensive. Clothing, toys, books: all much more expensive plus I had to travel a good ways to find a far less expansive selection. That's just the starters. Because I live in a college town, it's relatively diverse but the truth is that all of rural America is much more diverse than it was when I was growing up surrounded by farm land. Cute picturesque small towns and rural areas exist for more than to give city folk a break from their oh so busy oh so important sophisticated, on trend urban lifestyles. Y'all are completely generic and forgettable and the dollars you deign to drop in our communities don't go nearly as far as you think they do. BTW, written as someone who loves to vacation on the North Shore and in the Arrowhead parts of my state, where tourist dollars are necessary but there is a constant battle between the low paying/relatively low damage to the environment tourist dollars and the better paying jobs that also hurt the environment but can actually support a family without the need to insert your tongue in the ass of the snob who is deigning to frequent your establishment. Edited by tgir, Nov 28 2016, 11:27 AM.
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| Dax | Nov 28 2016, 11:38 AM Post #35 |
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The septic/sewer issue is also a continuity issue, as an early episode had Lorelai tell Christopher that Stars Hollow had gone sewer... Taylor's an idiot, and I kinda sorta see your point(s), but mostly disagree... the show is more a love letter to small towns than it is mocking of them... the town is filled with some goofy characters, sure, but it's presented as an idyllic place to live... I'll write up stuff soon. |
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| tgir | Nov 28 2016, 11:49 AM Post #36 |
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The conversion to sewer would have happened long before Lorelai's time. The fact that it's mentioned in this run is condescension. It's not cute/funny and it's the writers who are idiots. I understand it's supposed to be a love letter. But it's condescending. In the extreme. The fact that it's so condescending and supposed to be a love letter is pretty offensive. Small towns are not picture postcards of colorful locals and local color and scenery. And this is written by someone who lives in a town where someone is called Steve the Pirate because this grown--middle aged man! dresses in very colorful monochromatic pirate costumes. Every damn day. He's also a not very nice person but he's oh, so colorful! Everybody knows who you are talking about when you say Steve the Pirate, just as everyone knew who you were talking about when you talked about the crazy excommunicated nun who rode around town on her bicycle with a huge sign on the back, elucidating all of her top conspiracy theories. And then she died and the town mourned and forgot about her. Oh, and my dogs are also local color, with their photos snapped by countless students and prospective students and visiting families. Photos seen round the world--even in newspapers, actually. We are stopped by new students who tell about hearing about them from their older cousin/sibling/neighbor who went to school here. How cute. And why would Lorelai need to go out to the Pacific trail when she's got perfectly good--and as challenging--trails much closer. I mean: really. Edited by tgir, Nov 28 2016, 11:56 AM.
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| Dax | Nov 28 2016, 12:40 PM Post #37 |
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The positive - The revival perfectly recaptured the same tone, feeling, characters and their voices... it was the same show, with a nine year hiatus. I was very pleased to spend another four episodes (or six-plus hours, or the running time of eight-plus 'hour-long' episodes) in this charming world. I didn't want to read spoilers AND I was anxious, so I gobbled this up in about a twelve hour span, probably the fastest I've ever done a Netflix offering in its entirety. Negative - The principals' major character arcs are not fully realized, and they might have been better achieved if they hadn't been compressing a year's worth of story into six hours. Not every bit of comedy works (and didn't on the original show, either, even loving it as I did..). Some of the small cameos are more distracting than they are fun. I wanted more of some things and less of other things, but overall... I'm satisfied. I do co-sign on most of Sepinwall's reviews (both the non-spoiler and spoiler ones). These characters always fight really well. Their words always have a lot of emotion, even though they (almost always) never resort to the cliche of saying 'I love you' to one another. Specifics. Spoiler: click to toggle ... I might be done... probably forgot a few things I was gonna say, but I'm pretty sure that's most of it... |
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| Dax | Nov 28 2016, 01:43 PM Post #38 |
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The revivals so far - Arrested Development Season 4 - Mostly thumbs up. The cast rarely being able to share scenes together certainly hurt, but there were more than enough positive things to have made the thing worthwhile to me. I do hope there's more, but, you know, WITH them together, not as separate as they had to be in Season 4. Veronica Mars, the Kickstarter movie. Mostly thumbs up... was really happy to see it happen, was maybe a little disappointed in the result... haven't read the post-movie tie-in novels yet. 24 Season 9 (half the length, subtitled 'Live Another Day' in ads) - Thumbs up. It was the same show, but ended with an as-unsatisfying 'cliffhanger' of sorts as Season 8 did, so... bummer. Upcoming semi-spin-off looks good, even though Luke's friend isn't in it. I hope it works. Star Wars Episode 7, impending Rogue One, Episode 8, Young Han Solo solo, Episode 9, etc. ... While not a tv series, this is a serial thought finished that is back in a big, big way, that will likely dominate movie theaters every Christmas and some summers for the next ten or twenty or more years (and I'm sure there WILL be a tv show, too, at some point)... I liked the first one a lot. Yeah, it's not perfect, but I'm comfortable in saying that it IS 'good', and that's not just the 'member berries infecting me... Wet Hot American Summer - I haven't watched The First Day of Camp yet, but I'm anxious to... Dad was in the hospital when it dropped, and... I just somehow never got around to... anyway. I expect to like it, and look forward to the sequel mini-series. Full House - I wasn't a fan. That one wasn't for me. The X-Files Season 10 - Mostly thumbs down. One great episode, two okay ones, three really lousy ones. Gilmore Girls (Season 8): A Year in the Life made me happy. Twin Peaks Season 3 - Can't wait, can't wait, can't wait... (looking as though we might get a release date just after Christmas...) None of these things would I recommend to anybody as a jump-on point, if they were not already a fan of these things. |
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| tgir | Nov 28 2016, 02:04 PM Post #39 |
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To be fair, I was oh criticizing the depiction of small towns. To me, it was pure big city condescension. Compare it to: Mayberry. Different sees, sure, and very sugar coated/whir washed (deliberate word choice) but genuine respect and love. |
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| Krystal | Nov 28 2016, 03:22 PM Post #40 |
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I never watched The Gilmore Girls or any of the shows that Dax listed, so I couldn't call him at all out there reality or lack of it. I was born and raised in Pittsburgh butt Pittsburgh really didn't have a downtown area but families lived in and in fact still doesn't. I think some young hipsters are moving downtown certainly KMI could tell us better but even though Pittsburgh was depressed when I was in dental school it had great museums and theaters because of the money that the big industrial families had built. So there was access to theater and museums and the food was very good there because I ethnic people love good food. When I agreed to move to Chicago I told my husband to be that there is no way I would live in the suburbs there because we were both going to be having careers downtown and the suburbs in my opinion were rather conservative compared to the city which was very liberal. Plus I wanted to do all the things that downtown offered the theaters and museums the art shows and everything plus I really do like my restaurants and I have like an occasional very high in place but I also value inexpensive ethnic food. Chicago is a place of neighborhoods and I loved our neighborhood it was kind of like a small town and the neighbors knew one another and watched out for one another and if somebody seedy came into the neighborhood people would call one another.. the neighborhood was extremely mixed with blacks whites case Asians everybody living together and I never felt that anybody was prejudiced against anybody else and people mixed in socially all the time. Where we live now is a small town but since it is adjacent to Scottsdale you can go to Scottsdale for fun down here and some shows Etc. However the whole state of Arizona is much more conservative and the food in the valley isn't even as good as Pittsburgh let alone Chicago. We thought of moving out of here a couple years ago I was thinking of Tucson because it is more liberal but since I am involved with a cat shelter i am ok staying here. But I have to say I do all my shopping and we go into Scottsdale to eat a hundred percent of the time. We barely know the neighbors here we have had a drink with one or the other but they're mostly conservative and I really don't feel comfortable with them nor do I want to be friends with them. TGIr, I know what you mean about people coming to a small town especially small towns outside of big cities where the big city people come and talk down to the people who live there year-round. It's different here though winter snow birds don't tend to do that because the people here have plenty of money and exact a lot of the snowbirds don't. The big buck people come into Scottsdale and do the car shows and the golf tournament spot they never come to Fountain Hills. And I really noticed but none of them seem to be snobby with a downtown Scottsdale shopkeepers or anything. As far as small towns go I never had an urge to go outside of Chicago when I live there except to get on a plane and go somewhere altogether different. I have no urge to drive to some more areas and look at Kyle's or any other thing or sit on a horse I just am not interested in that type of thing at all. We chose to live where we do because of a fabulous views and natural beauty and yet we are only 15 minutes from the edge of Scottsdale and 25 - what would be considered really good dining if I wasn't such a Chicago dining snob. All of Pittsburgh is kind of weird because of the hills and the valleys and when we would visit there I would get my fill of trees and Riverside cetera which I kind of miss but not enough to move back. |
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| Krystal | Nov 28 2016, 03:25 PM Post #41 |
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I meant to say all of Pittsburgh is kind of rural, not weird. It does have its own unique character and flavor. |
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| Dax | Nov 28 2016, 03:56 PM Post #42 |
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Stars Hollow has quirky and silly characters. Some of them, yes, are close to the caricatures present in, say, Newhart's Vermont, but I don't agree with tgir that Amy Sherman-Palladino and her husband are idiots, or that their attitude towards their characters is condescending. If anyone is offended by this, I think they're trying awfully hard to be... But yeah, I will agree this isn't a show for everybody. It's pretty darned 'cutesy'... Krystal, you wouldn't like it. Did anybody watch NBC's Ed with Tom Cavanaugh, Julie Bowen, Michael Ian Black, etc.? That was a great little show that is kinda 'lost' now - it wasn't ever released on dvd, isn't available to stream anywhere... that also captured the joys of a small community really well and made you wish you could live there with them... |
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| tgir | Nov 28 2016, 05:12 PM Post #43 |
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I don't think--and didn't say that they were idiots. I am sure they intended their Stars Hollow to be an homage to the beautiful small towns in New Englad. But it is so clear to me that all their time in small towns was spent at some quaint and expensive B&B. which is fine: Newhart did that show and while I thought Larry and the Darryls were funny, they were clearly caracatures broadly drawn. And worked. In large part because Bob and Joanna were obviously outsiders and somewhat out of their element. Gomer and Goober and even Barney were pretty broadly drawn as well. but my complaint isn't with any of the characters at all. Stars Hollow seemed to be completely drawn from a big city outsider's postcards of the place. By people who would die if they actually had to spend a week there. But had a fun time she they did that thing that time.. My complaints are more political than theatrical. Small towns are genuinely struggling and so are their people who don't have the option of appealing to fabulously wealthy parents but instead work for wealthy people who got that way by screwing over their workers and undermining public education to ensure a steady stream of workers with a mediocre education and low self esteem and no real shot at better unless they sever all ties--abandon family and the good things about where they grew up. If Stars Hollow had been remote realistic, the bar would t have been secret but would have had a cousin on every third corner. |
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| KMInfinity | Nov 28 2016, 06:04 PM Post #44 |
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Not peeking above. Dropping by to say that I checked out some old reviews and thread discussions on various sites while rewatching. I never followed the show online "live" like I would today. I did NOT know that there is a strong anti ASP/GG faction who despise the "sex is bad" theme running thru the show. But once it was pointed out, ho boy is it ever a subtext, and makes me increasingly turned off by a lot of the conflicts/plots. The mini-arc where Paris has sex for the first time, then finds out she didn't get into Harvard, then falls apart on C-Span... yikes. Such a trope I didn't expect on GG, and the fact that I didn't notice it the first time around makes me realize just how far we have NOT come, and how unreconstructed I am at my subconscious core. If the scenes were written with the intent of highlighting a real world issue, then fine. But these scenes seem to literally buy-in to that mentality. Lorelai literally says with a smirk to herself, "I have the good girl." when she overhears Rory tell Paris she is a virgin, after Paris says she has lost her virginity to Jamie, the Princeton guy. GG is NOT holding up well for me on rewatch, even after skipping the binge-every episode approach and now only watching the "best of each season." It's moving into the 2nd tier - ambitious, with strong quality markers, but very flawed,. |
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| Dax | Nov 28 2016, 06:22 PM Post #45 |
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I don't remember Paris losing her virginity, but she had a long and icky affair with one of her college professors, right? I love the show, despite its flaws. I'm not sure how much my feelings will/would change on a re-watch... I suspect the things I liked AND disliked might be amplified for me... I do try not to let these things influence me, but I did watch the new season (and a couple Bledel/Graham interviews) with the 'new information'/poison in my head that one of the lead actresses is, um, not-a-very-nice-person, and is highly unpopular with a very large percentage of the cast. That was disappointing to me, as I do think she's a really good actress... |
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| tgir | Nov 28 2016, 06:41 PM Post #46 |
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OK, Dax: spill who is a not very nice person or at least provide links or source. I have my suspicions based on other info... |
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| KMInfinity | Nov 28 2016, 09:09 PM Post #47 |
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I know LG and Scott Patterson had issues, and LG and AB were not buds... hmmmm... |
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| Dax | Nov 28 2016, 10:37 PM Post #48 |
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Yeah. Both things true, and I'd heard that about Patterson and Graham during the run (which seemed odd, since their onscreen chemistry was really good...). Still, I always got a positive-ish vibe from her when she'd do an interview here and there (which I guess wasn't often, but...), I thought she seemed like a cool lady. Apparently, she's a diva in all caps, and almost everybody doesn't enjoy working with her (I guess boyfriend Krause must be an obvious exception, and maybe things were different at Parenthood than GG... she and Whitman appear to have gotten along better than she and Bledel, too..), such that it's REALLY impressive that this thing was able to come together... Nothing to link to, though I did skim through a tabloid in a store the other day that said a lot of the same things I've heard, though it was maybe a little kinder... |
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| tgir | Nov 28 2016, 10:49 PM Post #49 |
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Wow, it is not who I thought it was after all. |
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| Krystal | Nov 28 2016, 11:52 PM Post #50 |
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Regarding the City vs. Small-town thing I watched election night as the cities went blue and all the rural areas and distance suburbs went red and voted for Trump. That is enough to tell me I don't want to live in any of them because certainly the racist and homophobic index is far higher than it is in cities. Although I know that college cities tend to be much more liberal for instance Austin is the only city in Texas that actually votes blue Due to the influence of the college there. |
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| tgir | Nov 29 2016, 10:44 AM Post #51 |
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That's exactly what drove my point, but not in the way you think. My own personal take is that the single biggest mistake that Hillary made was the deplorables remark. That stung terribly. These are really genuinely decent, hardworking people who have to struggle with finding enough work to keep the farm afloat-yep: a full time job on top of their more than full time job, all of it hard work with a great deal of economic risk plus physical risk. Farming remains one of the most dangerous occupations in the US. I will never, ever forget that shortly after we moved to MN, there was a huge story on the news about a young man, maybe 16 years old, who got his arms--both of them--caught in some farm machinery--and had both his arms severed. He was alone, managed to make it to the house and then climbed into the bathtub so he wouldn't ruin his mother's floors. This takes so much more than courage. He had surgery to re-attach arms, I believe and last I heard (and it's been many years) he was doing ok. Oh, there was probably no insurance or if there was, it was a very high deductible individual family policy. This is the sort of person who lives in rural America. This is not someone who is a deplorable, no matter how he votes. In rural America, people see their kids leave not just the area, but the entire lifestyle. Often not for lots of money but to scrape by in a larger city. Manufacturing jobs (also very dangerous) are not plentiful and they no longer pay very well. If families are fortunate, one of the kids tries to keep the farm going and to hold out against huge agribusiness concerns, GMOs and the fancy attorneys which will take the family farm if some of the pollen from their GMOs blows over int the neighbors fields. Especially if the neighbor objects. And then there are the kids who get sucked into drugs. Lots of them, just like in the big cities, only without the big bucks to get kids into treatment, if you can find a treatment program. You think mental health services are poor in urban areas? Try rural/small town America. I know more than one kid who treated his own mental illness with bath salts and other sh*t like that, having little access and no choice within that access to actual treatment. Partially because I live in a college town and partially because I live in MN, but it's actually fairly LGBTQ friendly. The racism against the Hmong has died down over the 28 years I've lived here. It's still rough to be a black American in MN. People tend to expend all their efforts at not being racist on Somali immigrants and Muslim immigrants--and keep plenty of hate for Native Americans and Black Americans. But that's not at all different than in the cities. Alcohol is a huge problem. Again, less access to treatment for any kind of addiction, mental health issue, etc. Oh, yes, I live in the same area as Mayo clinic--work there so I have access, but honestly, most people don't have access unless they have something pretty wrong with them, and I don't mean addiction. Also, judging by one of my co-workers who has serious mental illness and is grossly (every sense of the word) addicted to nicotine, caffeine and if what I hear is true, also alcohol but has made zero progress in any of these, despite long term treatment and including hospitalization, well, it's not good. Read any small town newspaper police report (and they all have police reports) and it is a very rare incident that makes it to the papers that does not involve alcohol and/or drugs. And in my local paper, they report calls from the fire department because of a smoke detector going off. My very best friend in the entire world is married to a small town attorney in Indiana. They have exactly the same types of crimes. I don't believe it's different anywhere in the country. I spent a year working in the Head Start program in my town, which was filled with children whose parents were recent immigrants--generally very good parents with little money--and children of parents with addiction problems, mental health issues and a couple whose mothers, at least (who knew where the dad was?) had developmental delays, and some from families who had lived in poverty for generations. Which of those were good parents and which were not was less obvious than you might think. Honestly, there were no problems present in this small city (population 25K) that are not mirrored in large cities. Local schools struggle financially to meet the extra needs of children living in poverty but whose parents are too proud to sign up for food stamps. Or too accustomed to living on the fringes to realize they qualify. There is special federal aide that comes to schools serving children in poverty and the way that is measured is through enrollment in food stamps. Those rich factory owners ALL work hard AGAINST public education and tremendously support private (Catholic) schools, which literally tell kids with learning disabilities to stay home on the days that benchmark tests are given, skewing the schools performance in a way that is not open to public schools. How do I know this? My kids have friends who attended the Catholic school system, and at least one had significant learning disabilities (ignored by his Catholic schools) despite being extremely bright and who is now quite successful in his chosen career path (computers). This helps foster the next generation of workers who will accept very poor wages and terrible treatment because they have little other choice. My kids have all worked at some of these places--and it was a huge wake up call. A nickle and hour raise is common. I'm not kidding. Poor benefits, including and especially expensive health insurance with high deductibles and many restrictions to access. LOTS of people work multiple--2, 3, even 4 part time jobs because employers avoid paying full time workers to avoid benefits. Of course, there's a tremendous amount of stress that comes with being poor, especially if you have kids. And people deal with the stress the way rich people do: by drinking. A lot. And sometimes cheating. Divorcing--which is never cheap. Some drugs. And employers get to complain about how unreliable their workforce is. Unfortunately, I am not kidding. There is a reason I drive >100 miles a day for my job and it isn't the scenery. Access to health care of any kind is limited and expensive. Food shelves? Sure, but people I knew who used them were deeply--DEEPLY--ashamed of needing that free turkey at Thanksgiving (a common 'bonus' given to workers by those generous employers). Assistance with heating? Yep. If you qualify and live in town. Doesn't apply to rural people who use propane. Finally, FINALLY, maybe the Democrats are getting it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/vilsacks-tough-message-for-fellow-democrats-stop-writing-off-rural-america/2016/11/27/6751f8b8-b31d-11e6-be1c-8cec35b1ad25_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_vilsackdems-0825pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory Frankly, rural poverty is as significant as is urban poverty. It's just easier to ignore. It's always fun to make fun of country bumpkins and hicks instead of recognizing them as hardworking, decent people who need infrastructure and support and most of all RESPECT. And don't forget: it's easier to think of poverty as being a problem of BLACK URBANITES. Thinking of poverty affecting people who look a lot like you, who maybe are your family members (but not that close: your daddy got off the farm and never looked back for a reason) is much less comfortable. Edited by tgir, Nov 29 2016, 10:58 AM.
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| Dax | Nov 29 2016, 12:36 PM Post #52 |
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http://www.vulture.com/2016/11/lauren-graham-memoir-gilmore-girls.html http://www.vulture.com/2016/11/amy-sherman-palladino-on-gilmore-girls-future.html |
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| Krystal | Nov 29 2016, 03:18 PM Post #53 |
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Tgir, I am quite aware of the poverty in the rural areas. It's not dissimilar to what is going on in West Virginia with the coal mining. Several years ago I strongly recommended a book to you all it was called methland and it was excellent in educating people as to why there were so many rural communities with serious drug issues. I strongly recommend everyone read it. What I don't understand is why we're all people all seem to be so racist and afraid of other cultures. And what do they think the Republican party will do for them when it has done nothing but support the big Industries which has destroyed their farms And your other ways of making a living. That is what totally flummoxes me. It's like their hatred of other people of different colors are races supersedes their logic or any common sense they may have to really think about exactly why they're in the boat that they are in |
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| tgir | Nov 29 2016, 03:37 PM Post #54 |
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Krystal, you are wrong. Rural people are no more likely than urban people to be racist. What has been a huge destabilizing issue in rural areas is the growth of big agribusiness, factory farms and also the decline of manufacturing and blue collar work. As family farming has declined, smaller cities have also declined. The tax base is shrinking and it is more and more difficult for towns to provide decent quality services. And part of this is that wages have stagnated and declined. My small city is the county seat and there is not a decent place to eat a nice dinner or to buy non-casual not low end clothing. Our only bookstore closed. Well there is one which sells used books. And we are a university town! With a university, pseudo university and a tech school! Plenty of bars and tattoo parlors, though. Nearest town of any size is 30 miles away. You cannot buy decent furniture in town. It broke my heart to buy my range and hood out of town--and my fridge. Was able to buy dishwasher in row which is good because they service locally. If you want cheap crap, we've got a nice big Walmart sold to us as a good way to attract good paying jobs. Not. Instead it draws a lot of police time and efforts. Edited by tgir, Nov 29 2016, 03:43 PM.
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| Krystal | Nov 29 2016, 06:31 PM Post #55 |
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If they were not for a cyst what was it about Donald Trump that they found so appealing because like I said looking at the board the cities were blue and all the whole areas voted for him. So exactly why did they vote for him when the Republican party has done nothing but promote big business who takes their jobs away. |
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| tgir | Nov 29 2016, 08:01 PM Post #56 |
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Because: 1. It is almost always the case that whichever party has been in power for 8 years is usually voted out. 2. The truth is that the dems have ignored rural America in favor of counting urbanites. The truth is the needs and concerns are not that disparate. But the perception is that they are much more different than they are. 3. The (small but noticeable) influx of people from different cultures, who look different and talk different and practice weird religions get to s of attention and help and often take jobs at lower wages and worse working conditions, putting additional stress on people looking for a way to support their families but who now are underbid for those jobs. Since the days of the shrub, at least, there has been a near constant stream of fear mongering ( thanks Rupert Murdoch-- talk about outside interference!), and a concerted effort to dismantle public education, plus drugs! And you get a population that is terrified of losing what little remains of their way of life. Besides, you cannot convince me that the ladies at the gym are not more racist and more classist and less tolerant for all their privilege and big city says. |
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| Krystal | Nov 29 2016, 09:51 PM Post #57 |
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But they have not voted Democrat maybe ever. If you look at the election map after election map it's been the cities and the suburbs that carried Obama and any other Democrat not the rural areas. The women at my gym are mostly cunts, and I do not hold them up as an example for anybody |
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| Krystal | Nov 29 2016, 09:54 PM Post #58 |
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And you can't tell me an immigrant has ever taken a white person's job away because these jobs go unfilled unless an immigrant takes them. Oldest city nursing home assistant jobs are immigrant Filipinos or Mexicans. White people would rather collect welfare than take these jobs. |
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| Krystal | Nov 29 2016, 09:56 PM Post #59 |
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Good example right here Sheriff Joe got rid of most of the illegal aliens so now you have to pay a lot more and wait a lot longer if you want work done in the garden or Roofing done and there's still no white people doing it because it's a shitty job in the heat here. |
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| tgir | Nov 29 2016, 10:14 PM Post #60 |
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First of all, plenty of immigrants are white. For instance, my great grandparents were white. For another, most immigrants are actually Christian, rather than Muslim. And frankly, when I worked with people from the mid-east, almost all of them would have been astonished to learn they were not considered white. Secondly, sure, there are plenty of roofing crews and gardening/janitorial crews in my area which are Hispanic. And plenty which are white. The Hispanic crews generally beat out the competition because they are cheaper. Most of the immigrants in my area are Hmong (but that was mostly from 20+ years ago) and now Somali. For the most part, the initial waves take no one's jobs. They don't (yet) have the language skills or the cultural skills to fit in well enough to take those jobs. Most of the Somalis are in the larger cities but not all. A good number work in my building, actually, doing work that requires only a high school education. Within my work unit (<30 people) my boss is Chinese American by way of Canada, another person who has a small degree of supervisory authority over me is also Chinese as was a former co-worker. The current co-worker actually holds a Ph.D. but is working the same job that someone who only had a BS held before because frankly, it's hard to find work as a Ph.D. and generally, the pay isn't that good. The former co-worker was an MD (degree from China), doing the work that I am doing with my BS. I'm not sure why he never moved to get an American MD but in his case, suspect his language skills held him back. Nice guy but extremely thick accent after many years in the US. And I'm good with accents! Also work with a guy from Ethiopia (Christian) and have worked with a German woman (bat shit insane), and someone from Viet Nam (naturalized). This is within my very small work unit. And sure, if they weren't doing those jobs, a 'white' person or at least an American would be doing those jobs. Did those jobs before they were hired and will do them again when the current workers move on. Looking at the labs near me I see a number of people in jobs similar to mine who are Asian (foreign born)--mostly SE Asian, from various Middle Eastern countries and from a handful of African countries. Plenty of (white) Americans working right along side them in similar jobs. VERY few American born blacks. VERY few. Like maybe 3 or 4 that I see, out of >1000 people in my building. For a while, the cleaning crew was hired from outside the system because: they were supposed to be cheaper. Most of them were Hispanic. Now, they are all Mayo employees and most of them are white. Not a coincidence. Across the river in WI is a large chicken processing plant, with the workers being mostly Hispanic. The work is hard and frankly disgusting and the pay is low but they aren't in much position to argue for better work conditions or better pay. (White)Americans used to do most of those jobs but it turns out you can hire someone from south of the border looking to make some money to send back home for less than you can an American. |
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