Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
TVBuzz is open for new registration.

Join our community!

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Game of Thrones; Season 6
Topic Started: Dec 3 2015, 07:21 PM (3,308 Views)
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
LOL... I don't think anyone seriously thought he'd have it done.

GRRM
 
Look, I never thought the series could possibly catch up with the books, but it has.
:firemad: :firemad: :firemad:
He's probably the only one who thought that.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Yeah, he thinks HBO is going to have the same attitude of 'it will be done when it's done' like he has about his writing. I totally understand GRRMs POV that you can't force Art and must instead serve it. But it's funny that he thought a commercial television show would have such standards.

It sort of connects with our thread with the discussion of the industry's new attitude about cancellations though. In some respects, in some ways, in the long run, it will be better for the business and the bottom line if the industry DOES respect the artistic integrity of the material moreso than it often does.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Soooooooooooooooo.... Free HBO was supposed to end for me Jan. 1st. But it hasn't. I expect them to end it in march, naturally. :P

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
I'm starting to panic that I no longer have HBO.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
So, my feeds are blowing up with Ian McShane's GoT comments. Spoilers. :D
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Younger did a good job spoofing GoT and GRRM this episode.

http://www.tvfanatic.com/shows/younger/full-episodes/season-2/secrets-and-liza/

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
When's the premiere? I need to be figuring out my HBO strategy.... :D

(Several prime cable shows starting that I will miss, especially Outlander... ::Sniff: )
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Well that sucks, and especially that they'll actually be pulling that Madmen crap and stretching out a season over two years. I'm all for tight, shorter seasons, but in that case, just run Season 7 as 13 episodes and full steam ahead.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
So, more dragons and battles? If it's a production thing I agree, take the time needed. If it's HBO stretching the product then no.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Great premiere. I agree Gate, they hit a LOT of stories and did it well. Sometimes, when a show jumps around I want to go back to something or feel irritated to leave the current story, but not this time. (except, as Bilki noted, maybe Arya's story...) Though my very favorite was Sansa and Theon and Brienne and Pod, followed closely by the material at the wall, especially Davos. Was that Pod's first kill?

The conversation with Cersei and Jaime... creepy and chilling and exactly why GRRM is tough to take. (But now I gotta wonder...was that in the books? or from D&D?) But in this case, more Art than shock-porn.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
I forgot to say, the build up to the Sand Snakes was not sufficient for the Finale/Premiere.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Finally had a chance to visit with my GoT colleague at lunch today and rehash. She's read everything (after I turned her on to the books before the show started) and she's re-read everything since last June. She says this is all new territory. And she is flipping out trying to guess how the books will play it. :D

I haven't visited any Book VS Show forums yet...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
I still have only seen the first episode, and am looking forward to bingeing this later this month. I've never binged GoT. I may stop functioning for awhile. :P
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Actually, pretty pure.

I do know something bad happens to Hodor.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Yeah I knew that too. :P
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
6X2 – Home

Scenes I hearted>>

• Bran walking, visiting the past. Sweet. Lyanna! Okay maybe we will get the Tower of Joy and some R+L=J.
• Meera looking out over the winterscape. Beautiful and also foreboding.
• Tyrion and the dragons. Wow. Loved that whole thing.
• Ghost. Needs a hug.
• Sansa and Brienne is gold. Hope they stay together. Loved Sansa’s face as Brienne gives her news…Arya the Tomboy.
• I loved the hug with Theon, his recap of his betryals, his remorse…but as soon as he said, “home.” Bleah. Not looking forward to ironborn crap.
• Jon, of course. So pretty.


Scenes I gritted my teeth or watched through my fingers. ( :P )

• Ramsay and Roose. Yes, he IS a mad dog. You don’t know that yet?
• Boy that was fast. Boom. Roose is dead. I thought you were way smarter than that…. Who was the House with them?
• Poor Walda…

• Hate blind Arya. And all that crap with the Faceless.

• Those who are dead will never die. Bah!

Random comments

• Cersei looks absolutely gorgeous. I’ve loved Lena Headey since Sarah Connor Chronicles. Ugh to the Mountain.
• However I’m least invested in King’s Landing after all this time. I never did understand the power the High Sparrow holds. (I don’t think he and his followers were in the first 3 books I read, maybe that’s why?)
• I thought the Nightswatch laid down their arms pretty damn quick when the Wildlings showed up. Pretty sharp contrast with Davos’ band of desperate men in Jon’s chamber.

Reading around…
• House Umber supports Ramsay, and that’s where Rickon is???
• People hate Ramsay more than Joffrey. Good. He is why I stopped reading….
• Apparently there’s debate about whether Jon warged into Ghost and wasn’t really dead…or the body was, but he wasn’t, or some various combo of the sitch. Hard to say when the Show has minimized the wolves in general and warging in particular.





Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Cross posted on Facebook for GoT friends not on Buzz. :-D

Watching E2 and E3 on back to back days made me realize once again how cool marathoning is.

• So my E2 gut was right…the Umbers have Rickon and Osha. NOOOOO Shaggydog is dead. Where is Nymeria? Another reason to hate the Faceless.
• Tyrion and Varys dealing with Mereen – kinda boring.
• Jon’s post death issues – really liked the conversation with Davos. Reminded me of the Angel themes. But, his Watch is ended? Yikes… How can he unite the North against the White Walkers and claim the Iron Throne?) if he doesn’t have the Night Watch + Wildlings as his power base?
• Tower of Joy – It was hard to “see” Ned in the young guy, who reminded me of someone---have to look him up. I don’t specifically recall Ned’s version of events vs what Bran witnessed (stabbed in the back) so that might be generating controversy from Bookwalkers
(Trying to recall… Rhaegar is Dany’s much older brother. Rhaegar’s wife was Oberyn’s sister… Gotta look at a detailed family tree again soon to get it all back in my mind. )
• The Small Council…ugh. The Queen of Thorns didn’t come off well, imo. They DO need to listen to Jamie and realize the petty messes in KL are small potatoes compared to matters around Westeros and across the sea. I think this might have made more sense in the book with a clearer picture of crazy Cersei. Right now, Cersei seems sorta justified in her feelings and actions…
• Still hate the High Sparrow, especially when he is talking sense. I hate when I have to grudgingly acknowledge good points by someone I dislike. :P Is he trying to get inside Tommen’s head? Uh oh.
• If Dany wasn’t the Queen of Dragons, I think she’d be one of my least favorite characters. Her stories are so slow and boring.
• Good point that Sam’s story doesn’t make sense timeline wise. (I forget. Sam isn't the actual biological father of little Sam, but a surrogate? Baby Sam is from the winter harem dude, Craster, Gilly’s dad, right? )

Reading Myles McNutt’s recap/reviews after each episode on the AV Club. He’s the film blogger guy who came up with the term sexposition based on the early GoT storytelling style with Littlefinger’s whores. Nice to see him moving up in the world.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
bilki
Jun 29 2016, 10:56 AM
Quote:
 
I never did understand the power the High Sparrow holds. (I don’t think he and his followers were in the first 3 books I read, maybe that’s why?)
I didn't understand it, either. And I didn't find anyone explaining it in a way that made sense. It was the main reason I got so frustrated with the goings-on at Kings Landing.

Quote:
 
Hate blind Arya. And all that crap with the Faceless.
I had such hope for that storyline but it started to seem so silly.
:cheers1: GMTA
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Up to 6X4 now.

"Book Of The Stranger" Season 6 , Episode 4

This one was slow for me. There were some wonderful moments (Jon and Sansa, especially) but overall this didn’t engage me as much.

• Littlefinger. Not really interested in him. Never have been. And ugh to SweetRobin. This scene didn’t really seem to justify his inclusion on the canvas, except maybe the Vale knights getting sent North.
• Why is Yara so angry with Theon? Does she thnk he will get the Kingsmoot vote? Really? A guy who’s been gone all his life, and broken by Ramsay to boot?
• Osha went quick. You’d think Ramsay’s retainers and bannermen would be melting into the North after seeing so many examples of his quick murdering style. (And so really, goodbye Shaggy.  ) And what happened to “The North remembers!” ? I was really hoping that the Umbers weren't joining Ramsay. :-(
• Loved Brienne’s cold reporting of Stannis’ death to Davos and Mel. This is quite an eclectic group brought together. And…Davos didn’t know what happened to Shereen? Really? huh
• The whole Mereen mess cannot be saved by Tyrion. Ugh.
• This episode’s handling of the Small Council with Jamie and Cersei made more sense, with the “enemy of my enemy” bonding Olenna and Cersei a bit. But somehow I just don’t care about Margery, or Loras, or anyone at King’s Landing.
• Yes the High Sparrow IS trying to manipulate Tommen. What secret does Tommen tell Mumsy?
• The whole “rescue” of Dany by Daario and Jorah didn’t work for me. And neither did Dany’s magical Stormborn Fire Immunity. That’s not book canon. Oh well.



Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
I have a dozen people griping at me at this point to get caught up. I hope y'all aren't building this up to the point I'll be massively disappointed. :P
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
The Door 6X5

I have a feeling this will be an unpopular opinion, but I really disliked this episode. Caveat – there are always some good things in a Got episode, but overall I felt like there was a little too much “being stupid” to make plot stuff happen.

1. Ary’s story
• Her motivation gets murkier (for me at least) as it becomes even less clear why she wants to be one of the Faceless if all they are are assassins for hire. Her questions about the Actress she’s to kill get shut down by Jaquen
• I don’t understand why The Waif dislikes Arya so much (which is clearly the intent) if she is “no one” already with no real selfish desires.
• The Bravosi play that twisted the story of Ned’s death felt off to me. The Lannisters were not well loved. Ned would be the tragic hero, not the buffoon. This version of the play is the one that would be done at KL for the Court, not the one done across the sea for average folks.

2. Sansa
• Should have just killed Littlefinger. She stated the case clearly. Either he is incredibly stupid (which has been not true) or he knew and didn’t care…
• I get that she is rallying the Stark banner and she does get to say the line “The North remembers” but why

3. Bran
• His stupid actions cause all the tragedy. Just seemed way too contrived. I know everyone is making a big deal about the “Hold the door” / Hodor synergry through the timeslip, but as McNutt alludes to in his review of the episode http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/game-thrones-finally-gets-iconic-tv-exclusive-trag-237168 , I’ve seen this kind of twist done before many times, and done better.
• What’s worse, the plotting was murky enough to add to questions while answering others in the “Lost-style” writing that so many fans came to despise.

I hope this doesn’t mean I’m going to be hatewatching this as it ends. :no:

PS > I left out Dany and Tyrion and Varys and Jorah. Whatever.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
bilki
Jul 2 2016, 10:59 AM
Quote:
 
• His stupid actions cause all the tragedy. Just seemed way too contrived.
Yeah, but he's a kid and he's curious. He does things he's not supposed to do, which is why he's no longer able to walk. I also liked how it played into the kids-having-more-responsibility-than-they're-ready-for aspect of the world.
Yes I agree they are connecting a theme of the kids not really being ready, or questioning if they are...except they have spent sooooo much time showing us how the kids are "getting ready." Jon on the Wall learning to be a military leader, Sansa at KL and with Littlefinger learning political machinations, Arya and the Faceless, apparently learning... to be a badass? :P . (Rickon with Osha and in the dungeon...what is he learning?) Rob wasn't ready, a cautionary tale for the others you'd think. I should have been more specific and noted the multiple stupid things in Bran's plot aren't just due to Bran entering the Dream alone:

-The Three Eyed Raven knows stuff...maybe the future? Yet he's clueless that Bran is gonna explore on his own, and does NOT give Bran proper instruction about who can see him in the visions (The Night King!) and that he can't let the Night King touch him. Frodo KNEW and was warned about putting on the One Ring. Bran's plot should have contained those warnings, and then developed a REASON why he might want to/need to explore anyway. This kind of plot makes me swing back to thinking GRRM's role in the original stories and ongoing seasons may be more essential than people think. D&D may not be able to get from A to B to Z just knowing major plot points, as cool as it is to see those major points being reached.
-Worse...Bran wakes up after the Night King touches him...the Three Eyed Raven dumps some expository news, "He knows where we are!!!!" dum dum DUM!!!! and then they both go back to Dreaming??? WTF. Has it been established the Dream can pull them into it unwillingly?

Quote:
 
Hodor was a good and faithful servant.
Yes he was, which is why he deserved a better run up to his death. It should have been more fatalistic, more clearly inevitable and inescapable, and could have been written that way. Two tweaks and I can do it myself, never mind all the fanfic. 1) The Night King could have been shown in a scene or two (even in earlier episodes) clearly TRACKING Bran. 2) If you want the scene with Bran and TNK confrontation anyway, have Bran enter the Dream to find out how close TNK is, only to be horrified that he's really really close already. grrrr

I do love the idea that Hodor has known, all his life, what his fate would be, and went willingly into it. This is the true power of the scene, tragic and glorious, that has most people forgiving the weak leadup.

Quote:
 
Knowing that the White Walkers are coming makes most of the other storylines feel irrelevant to me. That's my biggest frustration right now. I wish we were being shown how current character choices will have some kind of impact on the arrival of the White Walkers. Or, learning more about the past so it's like watching history repeat itself. It feels like we know so little about the WWs for having maybe only 13 episodes left.
Big big agree to this. Especially the whole KL mess. It would be so satisfying if Jaime, at least, was a little more self aware and aware of the bigger picture. I dunno if I am "going Disney" but it feels organic and logical that he would be in KL for that purpose. He could be getting frustrated with the High Sparrow and those political messes not just because of the impact on his family but also because he sees the underlying threat. He should be the one player at KL who represents us, the viewer, seeing the futility of the Game at KL in the long run. I didn't read Jaime's adventures in the Riverlands with Brienne, so I'm not sure how much he's diverged from his original story (a lot, I understand). Is the plot sending him there now, in a bit of a flip? This is one of the elements I am hoping is addressed if not resolved as this season ends.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
"Blood Of My Blood" 6X6

•Margery – What “game” is she playing? Is she honestly supporting the Sparrow? Using Tommen to escape the Sparrow? Thinking she can control the Sparrow thru Tommen? Or is she broken, like Theon, and manipulated by the Sparrow, and maybe underestimated by him? I dunno, and actually not sure I care. I kept wanting to move on to other stories. Usually, I might groan when the POV changes from one location/story to another, but also usually I am pretty quickly engaged in the new one. Not here. Ugh.

•The confrontation on the steps of the Sept between Jaime and the Kingsguard and the High Sparrow as Margery is (supposedly) about to do the walk of shame……largely unsatisfying. I can only hope the scene is a setup for a later, more satisfying version of this confrontation.

•So, NOW Jaime’s off to the Riverlands. To what purpose? To shore up the Freys? Really? I cannot remember who Edmure is. Too much on the canvas. More ugh…
oAhhh, Tobias Menzies – the psychopath from Outlander. Still no recollection. Yikes.

•Everything about Sam’s story was win win win! Loved it. Except for a nagging concern that there is just not enough time for him to become a maester and help Jon, so what is his ultimate fate? Is he another Hodor?

•I was also happy with Arya’s story. She decides not to kill the actress (does the Waif?) and retrieves Sting – good! But why does she return to the Faceless then? Better to just book on out of Braavos.

•Cool scene with Dany on Drogon rallying the Dothroki. But hearing they need 1000 ships right after the Ironborn are charged with building a 1000 ships – eh, seems like anvils dropping. Plus, I really don’t want Dothraki fighting alongside Ironborn. Nooooo….
o And my mind wanders to thinking about how LONG it will take to build a fleet. Years and years it seems like… I’m no navy expert, so maybe not?

•Bran meets ColdHands. Of course it’s Benjen. Somehow I wasn’t as excited as I should have been. A story delayed too long? Ah well…
o Are fans slowing down and analyzing Bran’s visions? Yep>>>>
http://www.mtv.com/news/2886738/bran-stark-season-6-visions-mad-king-wildfire/
o ETA after reading recaps – ah…Aerys the Mad King and that backstory…Jaime’s version is confirmed…

•Ah… McNutt agrees with fans - Lady Stoneheart is STILL possible, and more likely in THIS season than last...>>> Frey mentions the Brotherhood; Jaime and Brienne going to the Riverlands; Coldhands shows how dropped characters can return…



This was definitely a “moving pieces into place” episode, which is always problematic. Overall, I like the direction things are moving, and it’s great to have some movement forward….

Edited by KMInfinity, Jul 3 2016, 09:54 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Dax
Jul 4 2016, 11:50 AM
Needle, not Sting.
:fall:

Quote:
 
Margaery was not broken by the High Sparrow, but he and Tommen bought it...
So you think she's faking? Whups. N/m you probably already know. Don't answer!
Edited by KMInfinity, Jul 4 2016, 04:06 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
whoah! Didn't know Ian McShane joined the cast. Yay!

I was gonna watch 607 today but there was just too much work. Plastering and sanding took longer than I thought (and more put of me than I expected) and so today was primer day. Tomorrow for sure. I need to rest up some.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Now that you bring it up, I do remember him in some pre-show news... I don't think I knew he was a character, maybe just being a smartass. :D

I was pretty careful to avoid even headlines with Game + Thrones + GoT + HBO + any cast member name
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
The Broken Man 6X7

This felt like there was some heft to the story. I credit the development of character over plot here. Everyone seemed to be bearing under the weight of the logical consequences of their past rather than from random plotted action sequences. (with one exception*, imo) The episode tone clearly owed its gravitas to the return of Sandor.

-Ian McShane as the mentor for Sandor. But not really, because his death clearly is NOT motivating Sandor to join the sparrows or seek the path of non-violence. Is this the first time we had a hard start BEFORE the opening credits?

-My poor Jaime. Blackfish ripped you good. It makes me sad that you are not on the side of the angels. Everyone on every major GoT fan discussion seems to be mourning your character assassination in the Show. Alas.

-So many “parleys.” Jon and the Wildlings; Jon and Lady Mormont; John and House Glover; The Kingslayer and the Blackfish; The Queen of Thorns and The Queen Mother Cersei. Davos’ final speech to Lyanna Mormont was the highlight for me. Reminded me why he was a favorite when I read the books. Finally someone very clearly articulates the stakes.

-And the stakes became clearly enumerated, with House Mormont contributing 62 men to take Winterfell and face the army of the dead, while Jaime is using 8000 to lay siege to the Blackfish.

-Love Lady Mormont! So, NOT Tyrion’s bastard daughter. Lol (from a spoilery picture on Facebook that Gate teased me about)

-So Margery is playing the Game. I don’t understand the dynamics of the situation – Show fail – in terms of the military power vs political power in these machinations at KL… If I were Margery, I’d be stowing away in my Gram’s carriage…

-More indirect ties to Lady Stoneheart. o.O Was that really the Brotherhood? LSH’s actions were pretty brutal I’m told, as time went on, but I thought the Brotherhood was on the side of the small folk. Plus>>>So many “coming back” - from the dead/from despair/from prison/from stagnation…

-Arya, poor child. *What was the f#cking point of all that training, huh?

-So, the Broken Man is…. Sandor, on the surface. But several more qualify… Jaime, Theon, Edmure, others….


-Spec from various reading>>>
• Given Cersei’s Book story (really underplayed or ignored here), and bran’s visions of the Mad king and the “Burn them all” revisit, and the QoT's line about not being able to kill them all…I agree with the spec that Cersei inherits that plot. Wildfire at King's Landing to be unleashed by the Mad Queen?

• There’s some rumblings in fandom about the deck being stacked against Jon (I guess to make an impact later) when the North should be thirsting for Bolton blood. Yes Robb made mistakes and screwed up, but it was the Boltons and Freys who murdered the King of the North and his bannermen, their kin. They wouldn’t be holding out on the Starks, but glad for the leadership and ready for revenge because The North Remembers!

• So explain to me again why they are camped in Stannis’ camp? Uh…so Davos can find Shereen? 

• Someone on PTV commented that this is the season of understatements. LOL… I know there have been complaints about ‘modern day slang” taking viewers out of certain scenes, but these are just great. A sampling>
o Sansa: "We should never have left Winterfell"
o Brienn: "Jon's a bit brooding.... but under the circumstances it's understandable"
o Yara: "So you've had a bad few years"
o Septon Ray: “Never too late to come back.”

• Lots of people complaining that the show lost a great opportunity to showcase Ian McShane with Septon Ray/Meribald/Elder Brother’s speech, which many claim as some of the best writing of the whole ASoIaF series:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/06/game-of-thrones-read-george-rr-martins-septon-meribald-broken-men-speech

• Holy heck. Such a big canvas I just realized Lady Mormont is Jorah’s….. cousin?

• Wait what? People think Sansa is pregnant? Please no.

Edited by KMInfinity, Jul 6 2016, 08:25 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
No One 6X8

Didn’t like this one, for several reasons. Some of those reasons are personal preference things, and not indicative of the episode’s objective quality, but some of the dislike is because of bad writing and/or plotting/directing. Ymmv

-My big dislike was that too much time was spent in the south, esp. in King’s Landing. So Tommen has drunk the koolaid to the extent he will do anything for the High Sparrow. What a twit. You know you’re in trouble when you are rooting for Cersei during a scene.

-And worse than KL - I cannot stress enough how much I hate Jaime’s storyline. All the sweetness and greatness of Jaime and Brienne is ruined by the way he is driven by Cersei. What makes it worse is that I think the writing could have played up a different vibe, given Jaime some shades and layers, had him appear more clearly conflicted and torn about his path. His whole speech to Edmure just made me want to puke. And now Brienne looks foolish for thinking there is any honor in Jaime. Bookwalkers have made no bones about the negative path here compared to the books. Some are suggesting it’s like Jon’s struggles to rally the North – being played in such a way so that when the heroic moment comes it’s a Big Fucking Deal. But some of us won’t like the whiplash turnaround. And that’s if Jaime is even slated for that bit of redemption. Maybe he goes down with the Lannister ship. Ugh….

-Arya is healed miraculously? To the point she can bounce all over Braavos to lead the Waif back to her room, and then kill her? That whole sequence just seemed too unbelievable. Okay, in the dark, so her blind-girl training came in handy, but still. And I’m calling it right now, fans will be pissed that both The Waif and Blackfish died off camera. I couldn’t figure out what Jaquen’s position actually was. On the one hand, killing the Waif meant Arya was now “no one?’ makes no sense. And yet he smiles when she says she’s Arya and going home*, like that was his real goal. Is there another layer to the Faceless we haven’t seen? Maybe Jaquen was paid (by Syrio? :P ) to train Arya to be a badass, not a Faceless. Do we know if the Faceless only accept assassination commissions?

*IU wish the writing had been “I am Arya Stark and I’m going home.” No “A girl is…” I want the definitive ego statement, not that Faceless remnant.

-Everything about Meereen continues to suck. Even the giggle from Missandae and the smile from Grey Worm can’t make this interesting. Bleah. I don’t understand Varys’ plan. Go to Meereen, mope around, accomplish nothing, go back to KL? What?

-The random death count of ‘unimportant’ characters was rather high today. Lots of hiding my eyes this episode.

-One of the rare moments I enjoyed in this episode was the conversation between Beric and Dondarrion and Sandor. Glad the BWB are not the bad guys. Whew. Though if they are there, and LSH isn’t…I guess then no LSH.

-Again, the title applies to more than just one story, not just Arya. Sandor is no one, struggling to be someone who, according to Beric can make a difference for good. And Cersei is literally no one important in the Throne room. The BWB seem to be no one important – but they are smart enough to see the future lies in the North, not in wars with men.

-LSH is also no one. Should coulda been there.  The weight of her absent character, with all the Cat mentions and comparisons with Cersei, I dunno. She’s working well as subtext, but would have been so cool to have her at a reunion North too. Bittersweet and horrific though it may be.

I swear most of this was written before I read McNutt’s recap and review, but clearly GMTA! Lol
http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/game-thrones-explores-paradox-no-one-238102
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
Reading around the net about "No One."

• It was stated that Cersei is the only woman Jaime’s ever been with. Huh.

• I was right – lots of dissatisfaction with both the Waif and Blackfish dying off screen. Lots of commenting that this was the worst episode of the season, if not the worst of the series!

• Haha – I didn’t realize the actor playing Tommen has already died as a Lannister once.

• At least 25% of the many many posts I’ve read are some variation of analyzing the very different Book Jaime vs Show Jaime. One theory I read seems very likely, and isn't much to my taste. Assumptions:

1. GRRM has told D&D the endgame for all the players.
2. D&D may modify or adapt, but they will essentially arrive at the same endgame for the overall climax and most individuals.
3. D&D have simplified many plots, eliminated many that don't directly relate to the major endgame.
4. Therefore, if Jaime's redemption arc fizzles in the long run, if his tale is one of a character who isn't able to rise above his circumstances, then D&D may have decided to simplify the arc and have Jaime go from A to Z in a "straight line." Why have him struggle with inner conflict and turmoil that's all for naught. ::sniff::

I cut my survey short of the episode reviews when the Dallas alert popped up.. :'(
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KMInfinity
Elite Members
[ *  *  *  * ]
LOL - Have have too much to say, given the double episode viewing and the fact it was the finale. Then i spent 2 hours with GoT BFF and rehashed so much I need to process.

Early general assessment - disliked #9 a lot. Admit that's due to personal quirks, but also storytelling failures. Liked #10 much better, except for really heavy handed time continuity craziness. At one point I was like, "Whoa, wait till bookwalkers realize Varys had a twin." :D
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
« Previous Topic · Primetime Shows · Next Topic »
Add Reply