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The Good Wife; Season 7
Topic Started: Oct 5 2015, 06:02 PM (3,906 Views)
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Good episode when focused on Alicia - Jackie+Howard, but I thought the Iowa stuff was dumb. I get they were poking fun of the media and the games played by candidates, but it felt simplistic and cheap compared to thoughtful explorations of political topics they've done before. And the 'two-shows-in-one' thing was again really jarring for me. I don't think they're ending on a strong note.
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WW did the Iowa comedy better.

Show is stronger than last season, but yeah, still not up to the quality of 1-5...

I would be fine with it ending at 7, but I'd also be terribly curious about that theoretical 8th, so... Either way.
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I'll wait to see how they DO end it. As much as I (usually) enjoy the politics, and Noth and Cummings, I could see an ending where Alicia finally divorces Peter, and the whole political angle is dropped to focus on Alicia as part of Lockheart, Agos, and Florrick (Lee in prison?).
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Dax, I agree about the season. I like it better than last year for sure but it isn't as good as some of the earlier seasons. I'm more than somewhat annoyed at JM for being such a princess and not wanting any competition on the show. Maybe that's part of it or maybe it's just run its course but I really don't care if they have another year or not. I just hope there's some kind of finale that is satisfactory in any case.
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JM certainly seems to be a bitch in the Panjabi situation, but I rarely let 'real life' issues taint a show or artist for me... I don't care what people are REALLY like, I care about their work. That Alicia and Kalinda didn't interact on-screen for two or three seasons... That had an effect on the show. It doesn't NOW, since Kalinda is gone...

I've always liked Margulies as an actress, and she doesn't come off like a total diva in interviews (or the Paley panel I saw recently), but... Yeah.
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Jan 13 2016, 05:56 PM
JM certainly seems to be a bitch in the Panjabi situation, but I rarely let 'real life' issues taint a show or artist for me... I don't care what people are REALLY like, I care about their work. That Alicia and Kalinda didn't interact on-screen for two or three seasons... That had an effect on the show. It doesn't NOW, since Kalinda is gone...

I've always liked Margulies as an actress, and she doesn't come off like a total diva in interviews (or the Paley panel I saw recently), but... Yeah.
Except, some of the less kind conspiracy theorists think the A/B plot split leaving JM separate from CB and the rest at the law firm is because of difficulties she has working with others. She's mostly with new people this year.

I dunno if it's true or not. I just think I'd like Alicia in-the-mix WITH Diane, Cary, David, etc.
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Definitely understandable that conspiracy theorists would go there, but since we DO still see Alicia with the others on occasion (though more often as adversaries than friends, sure), I think it's probably a bit MORE likely that this is the Kings' choice than it is another JM ultimatum.

But I agree with you... While the separation served a purpose in making Alicia do something different for awhile... I would RATHER see her back with the others now...
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Good to have Cary working with Alicia in this one since we were just talking about wanting that... And then there's an attempt to 'put the band back together', but Alicia stubbornly says no...

Good Morning, Magic Sunshine was catchy, indeed. Hope to see the whole video... Lillard was fun here.

Grace vs. the HOA was fun. Mom came off bitchy in firing her.

Good to see Marissa again.

Kelly Bishop had been on the show before, but as a different character. Was delighted to see her, then bummed that she had so little to do.
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Marissa is by far my favorite character. It has always seemed a bit artificial--and unfair that Grace was such an important and even integral 'employee,' and good to see Alicia move back to being a mother instead of a neglectful boss. I think this is just a way to get Marissa on working with Alicia. Alicia badly needs someone not afraid to tell her the truth and call her on her shit.

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Some of this just didn't sit right. I think you nailed it when you said Alicia came off bitchy. I think she came off bitchy with Marissa too. I was glad to see her but thought her role was wrong. Better if she'd started working for Alicia and figured stuff out. I didn't buy dad telling her, didn't buy her convo with Alicia. Didn't buy Lucca sleeping with the songwriter...

I do hope the gang comes back together...I thought they'd follow up on the David lee slush fund, but instead we got this mishmash.

Right now everyone seems petty and mean spirited...
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Oh, she was terrible to Marissa in that first visit. Not immediately - good hug, small talk, you think 'oh, good, Alicia's not going to let her feelings for Eli carry over to...' but Marissa just MENTIONS her Dad, and Alicia changes completely.

I did buy Eli telling Marissa, though. And I don't know Lucca well enough to think anything she does might be uncharacteristic - she's still pretty 'could be anybody'...
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Well, of course, Alicia changed when Marissa brought up her dad. She is still very much reeling over the revelation that she and Will could have had a happily ever after and that Eli prevented that. Of course, I don't believe that at all. I think Will was a slimy POS bastard cold hearted snake who would have been far worse to and for Alicia than Peter, who I think actually does love her, even if he is a big asshole. Will made my skin crawl. I admit that I like Peter a little bit because I like Chris Noth a lot.

Alicia will come around and while she may not forgive Eli (probably, she will, even if she never really trusts him again), I don't think she will continue to hold it against Marissa.

If this is the last season, I think the show is heading to the resolution I've thought it would all along. Keep in mind that I've only watched some of the series and not all of it.
Edited by tgir, Jan 18 2016, 02:59 PM.
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I couldn't stand Will either. I think she'd be better off with somebody altogether different, but I actually think Peter is better than Will. She also made a comment I think it was last week about her first boyfriend in law school. I think it's very naive to rationalize every relationship from when you were very young and think that there would have been no bumps in the road and it would have been a wonderful relationship if you had married then. I predict that if she had married him then they would have been divorced within 10 years
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I thought her first love was Will. Maybe I'm wrong. But I think Ruth gave her very good advice. I think that we leave relationships and people for a reason. It can be extremely painful and we can tend to romanticize that person and that relationship but the reality is that people break up for reasons. It's easy to remember the warm and fuzzy feelings, the excitement, the passion---and forget about all of the things that were wrong.
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I think Alicia and Will only almost dated in law school, but didn't actually get together then.

I liked Will. He was occasionally dickish, but I understood their love for each other. And yeah, Eli's betrayal over the voicemail IS a big deal, but... It's not like Alicia and Will didn't really get a chance because of it. Their affair came later. They had their time. It was delayed, but it wasn't like things would have been THAT different if Alicia heard the 'I love you' right then.

Still wonder what Will was calling to say just before his death...

Tgir, you think Alicia and Peter will be back together 'for real' at some point, right? I don't agree with that. I think that would be a really weird place to end it (and whether or not there is a Season 8, let's say the end of 7 is 'the end' and if there's more, that's an epilogue or a long PS...).
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I do think that. There have been a number of times when Alicia was obviously comforted by something that Peter did. She hasn't forgiven him; she doesn't trust him. But she loves him deep down, all covered up by pain and betrayal but it's there. And part of what she loves and needs is that he is powerful and will fix things for her.

This is absolutely not a feminist show.

And of course, none of this would fly in real life.


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No it isn't a femnist show for sure. I was under the impression that will was a very serious relationship in school. At least it sounded that way to me when she was talking
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Thought this epi was stupid with the annoying kids songs.
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Jan 18 2016, 08:07 PM
No it isn't a femnist show for sure. I was under the impression that will was a very serious relationship in school. At least it sounded that way to me when she was talking
Keep in mind that I haven't watched from the beginning, but I thought she was talking about Will.
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She was talking about Will while in law school. (Not college) You're right Dax, they didn't get together. It was a 'might have been.' My impression: HE was more into her and she might have also felt attracted or even more, but she discouraged his attention because she wanted to focus on her career/school. So they didn't have a real relationship but she knows they could have. And she now knows that she turned him down, but gave it up for Peter, which she regrets - if she was going to give up up her law career anyway, to Peter, she should have said yes to Will back in Georgetown. We know elsewhere that Will WAS in Georgetown with her.

Added after some research...in that phone message Eli erased, Will ends by saying "I probably loved you ever since Georgetown."

Here's the scene. She's mooning about Will, listening to the same song over and over, remembering. She's talking about Will, not some other possible romance in her past. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0VOfwBrhiM Appx 2:20 mark

tgir, I did see hints that there could be an endgame with Peter LAST season, but this season not so much. I think the resolution with Eli will directly connect to Peter too. Eli's insight was that Peter won his only 3 Iowa counties when Alicia campaigned with him. So despite her election loss, he thinks she is the candidate of the future. Eli wants her future to be in politics, and so maybe she never does rejoin Lockheart/Agos/Lee but moves forward with Eli. I think a lot depends on if the series ENDS with 7 or not. If they have an ambiguous ending it will really hurt the show's legacy imo if it turns out to really end.

Edited by KMInfinity, Jan 19 2016, 08:34 PM.
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The Kings are going to end the story they set out to tell about Alicia at the end of 7 - so, there are 10 episodes left.

CBS might want a Season 8, so they aren't going to kill off any major characters, and whoever takes over COULD undo whatever status quo they leave off with, but I doubt they would change things TOO much...

I'd say it's about 50/50 whether or not Alicia rejoins the others or stays off on her own. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked at either one, but the story SEEMS to be leaning more towards 'no reunion'.

Despite the show's title, I don't think 'Peter or not?' is a question the show HAS to answer... Right now, I think 'things continue as they are' is probably the likeliest route - they're married, but not really 'together'... followed by a decision to divorce... I don't see a chance of a true romantic partnership between them happening. That feels only slightly more plausible to me than an Alicia/David Lee or Alicia/Louis Canning romantic endgame.

Romance and/or sex with Jason seems likely, but if 7 ends with them together, I think it's a very temporary 'the end' because they won't have JDM next season.

It does seem like they might be looking towards a political future for Alicia, but... I don't know. Critical and fan reaction has also been, I think, so against that, and though she clearly got wrapped up in the campaign as it went along and was no longer as reluctant as she'd been originally... All of the dirty ugly stuff that happened, would, I'd think, have been enough of a turn-OFF to running for another office...
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I think the show is called The Good Wife for a reason. A good wife is loyal, and forgiving. I also truly believe that there is a lot of love between Alicia and Peter, even if Alicia isn't ready to acknowledge it or risk acknowledging it. She hasn't forgiven. I can see why. But she was sooooo angry about Peter's latest--that wasn't just pragmatism. She had no problem having her own affair and fling. I think it was less about love than it was about looking for that early what if with Peter, trying a more casual something to erase her pain and loneliness, but not actual real love. I think that none of this ressembles real life. It's much more tv storytelling convention.
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I do agree that Peter and Alicia love each other.
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It also occurred to me that perhaps something happens to Peter: he is seriously injured, or very ill or perhaps even dies. Alicia is the ultimate good wife and faithfully returns to his side, shouldering (whatever there is to shoulder).

Mad speculation of course.
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Jan 20 2016, 12:34 AM
It also occurred to me that perhaps something happens to Peter: he is seriously injured, or very ill or perhaps even dies. Alicia is the ultimate good wife and faithfully returns to his side, shouldering (whatever there is to shoulder).

Mad speculation of course.
I'm thinking the same thing or something happens to one of the kids and they are drawn together. Who knows but I'm with you Tgir I think the name of the show should and will have something to do with the ending.

I really miss Alicia working with Dianne and Cary. I don't like it when she's off by herself. I miss the dynamics of the weekly interaction.

I also think what Eli did was shitty BUT she did have her chance with Will. I was devastated when he died but I was never a big fan of his. I really like Mr. Big (whoops) but he has been a total jerk but if she is going to end up with anyone it should be him. I also don't think Denny (whoops again) would be a good choice because JDM won't be around if there is a season 8.

I just hope we have a satisfying conclusion. I have not enjoyed all the political campaigning at all so Alicia going down that road again would be unsatisfying for me and unrealistic.
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I read an explanation of why Alicia is so upset with Eli. I don't think I buy it. Here goes:

In S1, before that phone call, she had given Will sort of an ultimatum..that she needed something real and long term, a commitment...a PLAN. In that phone call he said he HAD a plan. It wasn't that he said he loved her, she knew that, it was that he had a long term plan for a commitment. Their affair later was ambiguous - she thought it was sex/friendship/passion, but not a true commitment. The argument is that, in her mind, if she had received that call, their affair would have been serious, a move towards a real relationship rather than a fling, since if he had a plan she was ready to divorce Peter and move forward Will.

1. I don't remember details of the affair, but I do agree it was more sex and less emotional support. They both seemed afraid or unwilling to bring up any serious commitment talk. Skimming some recaps of the time (3X10 - Parenting Made Easy ) most reviewers thought the breakup was inevitable since their relationship was pretty shallow. NYT called it tepid. :firemad: So I think Margot was right, Alicia's built it up in her mind to be something it never was. Which means the Kings are presenting Alicia full of angst, yet there's no real foundation for it.

2. Eli didn't word for word tell Alicia everything Will said so she doesn't actually KNOW it was anything except a shallow hot-for-you 'I love you" comment, given what followed with their affair two years later. She can't be upset over details she doesn't know (The Plan).

Nope. I think this is a manufactured conflict that isn't really working.

As far as the ending, I do think the title could be explored with a new twist:

Peter loses the governorship...leaves political life. (Ruth hinted something like this to Eli.) Does something that makes it 'okay' Alicia leaves him (Not another affair?) Moral: even "The Good Wife" can only take so much. She decides on a divorce, and they announce it together just like that original press conference. Maybe wearing the same suit. :D Peter is full of praise for her. She is free to move on to anything in a possible S8.



Edited by KMInfinity, Jan 20 2016, 06:43 PM.
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Yes the affair seems more like hot sex to me and not anything that was to be long term or serious. I find a lot of the show pretty contrived and repetitive. Really getting tired of this business about Alicia going or not going back to the original firm. Last season was really bad in this season is slightly better but not as good as earlier seasons. Maybe I'm just getting burnt out on the show.
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/good-wife-creators-reveal-dream-857810

http://deadline.com/2016/01/the-good-wife-future-limbo-cast-contracts-julianna-margulies-season-8-1201688321/
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'GOOD WIFE' GOODBYE
Julianna Margulies signals this is the last season
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My second link in the previous post says the same thing (except includes that her tone/comment was joking).

I do think it's more likely than not that 7 is the end, though.
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