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Survivor - Second Chance - Cambodia; Season 31
Topic Started: May 23 2015, 02:28 PM (1,175 Views)
bilki
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It was odd to me that they did the last tribe switch-up for one eviction round. Not that I'm complaining about the merge.

Something about Savage annoys me. I can't pinpoint it but there's something there.

I felt like Kass was making a bad move by going to Tasha's alliance and telling them what she had said about the Bayon tribe being no more. And it blew up in her face! Sad to see Kass go. I actually enjoy her when she's not playing the Chaos Kass thing too hard.
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if it wouldn't have been for the evacuation things would have played differently.
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From True Dork Times~

It’s a curious thing, merging at 13. Never been done before. Why would Probst and the producers do that?

The easy argument is that this is a returnee season, so they want to pack the jury with compelling characters.


It might also be the producers saying “the conditions are really brutal this season, so maybe we should have some extra jury spots, just in case we have some late-game medevacs.”


And then there’s the conspiracy-theory angle:

With Woo’s blindside, Kelly and Savage were in trouble… Ta Keo 3.0 was overmatched physically (and it’s unlikely the producers would plan for a second non-physical Immunity Challenge in a row)… which means the odds were high that Savage would be voted out at the next Tribal Council.


And who do we know is Probst’s good friend? Right. Savage.



Draw your own conclusions.
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Yeah.

I didn't know Probst and Savage were good friends... And I do LIKE about the game that there's 'flexibility' in the tribes and when they merge and stuff, but... This one did feel really odd, and 'producer manipulation to protect SOMEBODY' seemed the likeliest answer..

Two tribes - two evictions (same losing tribe)
Three tribes - three evictions and Terry's evac
Two tribes - one eviction
One tribe, jury started...
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That was awesome! He probably thought he was going to run the game until the end. But how did they not put up the #BLINDSIDE in the corner of the screen like they do for every other blindside? Was Probst looking out for his buddy again?
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The ad people said blindside at least.
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There's been a number of times when they put #BLINDSIDE up when it didn't feel like much of a blindside. If there was ever a time for #BLINDSIDE, this was it, lol!
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Excellent use of an immunity idol (also, did she keep it secret from even her closest allies? I think so, and that's rare...).

Maybe they didn't hashtag the BLINDSIDE since it wasn't a majority vote...

Fun.
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Best tribal in quite a long time, that was fun. I liked Savage and would rather have seen Fishbach go just because he bugs me but for future game this was the better move. Loved the reactions!

I too was looking for the #BLINDSIDE in the corner lol.

Curious to see if this shakes things up going forward or it goes back to status quo. The scramble for the idol next week looks like fun.
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What smacked me in the face is that the editors are HIGHLY manipulating what we see, to the point it's almost heavy handed. For example, LAST episode it was very clearly developed that, "It's always a good idea to split the votes..." (said by Jeremy, who I expect to win) and yet THIS week, there's no talk of splitting the vote at all and they don't. Which I just cannot believe. So I think somehow Jeremy KNEW this was going down, and was okay losing Savage, probably because losing Savage tightens HIS bond with his meat shield Joe.

Also, I am certain Abi is still a pain in the ass around camp and she's being toned down a lot. I suspect it's because someone carries her to the FTC and TPTB want her to look at least a little bit possible as a winner to keep a bit of suspense.

Also, I dislike Ciera. A lot. geez what a prima donna bitch.
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The shifting alliances are making the Tribals more exciting than usual...

Wow, Joe winning three Immunities in a row... Jeremy finding a second Hidden is cool, too... It'll be fun to see Stephen play his advantage...

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That one was anti-climatic after last week, especially because Wigglesworth hadn't made an impression on me one way or another.

I do like Jeremy but I find myself rooting for a good blindside when 1 player is carrying 2 Idols.

Hopefully, when Fishbach plays his special advantage it will be worth the wait.
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All that rain looked so miserable. Is it wrong that I kind of enjoy seeing them suffer? lol.

Joe just keeps increasing the size of the target on him, I really like him but he's gonna have to lose sooner or later and when that happens he will be gone. I do admire his competitive spirit though.

A true blindside of Jeremy with both idols would be awesome but I dont see it happening. I think by finding that 2nd idol he sealed his trip to the end (and quite possibly like KMI said above, the win).

I did find it funny the blindside hashtag returned to the screen this week.

Fishbach still annoys me.

The coven are exactly that, all 3 are obnoxious.

Sad to see Wigglesworth go. I was rooting for her just for being a season 1 player and her coming back all this time later and going far would have been cool but her game was not great.
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It surprised me that so many of them revealed a white rock. I expected it to go the other way. Perhaps coming off of a miserable day or two of rain made an impact. I wouldn't say it was a million dollar shelter, though, because I don't think most of them would have beaten Joe in the challenge.

I wish I had Joe's will and determination to press past the pain. Maybe he just has a high threshold for pain? Listening to the others talk about how difficult it can be out there makes me all the more impressed with Joe.

"Going on a cruise is fun" made me chuckle.

A little sad to see Ciera go. I know she can be annoying but I find her antics entertaining, for the most part.

Buh-bye, Fishbach! I thought Joe was outta there when Fishbach canceled his vote. It's not that dislike Fishbach, I'm just enjoying watching Jeremy's alliance dwindle.

The editors went back to showing us how neurotic Abi can be.
Edited by bilki, Nov 27 2015, 01:14 AM.
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Yeah Fish's waste of his special advantage ranks up there in the top ten stupid survivor moves of all time. Especially when he was so keen on getting rid of Joe.

I think Jeremy's dwindling alliance isn't really dwindling.

This is Jeremy's original "Bayon Strong alliance: Jeremy-Tasha-Kimmi-Keith-Joe. Kimmi has been with Jeremy for ALL THREE tribe switches, and she's been hidden as an alliance member. Not always in the loop, but in Jeremy's core - the one i his mind, not the one he talks about. I'm getting F3 vibes for her. Every time she talks about the game it's about 'getting to the end' not winning. Keith has also been with Jeremy TWO of the three switches. Tasha has been rock solid with Jeremy, even her 'you get one time' confirms she's with him. meanwhile, Jeremy has that side deal with Spencer. I think one reason Spencer wanted Fish gone was so that he could cement a spot with Jeremy

I predict some combo of Joe-Abi-Kelley goes next.

>>>>>The editors went back to showing us how neurotic Abi can be.
Which is why I think she's next.

It would be cool to see Kelley go home with an idol in her pocket - her whole story is about her idols. If she had any other content I'd be seeing F3 in her game but she never talks about winning, only getting further, making up for her gameplay with her dad last time.

I'm expecting a Jeremy-Spencer-Tasha-Kimmi endgame.

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Some edit analysis from the private edgic board where I lurk:

The case for Kelley vs Spencer vs Jeremy captured in three consecutive posts...
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Love it, love it, when reality catches up with the edit at this late stage of the game.

How fun it is to see the emphasized strength of Spencer's edit, cultivating social relationships, get him to a position where he now not only has the numbers on his side, we are seeing the development of ties to just about every member of the jury. The first time in his two seasons he's been in such a powerful position coincided with a snap of a long streak of close seconds and opens the way for the end-game his edit has always promised.

Edit meeting reality applies equally to Kelley who once again was edited as more strategic than was probably warranted in reality, maintaining her 'big moves' edit. To that we can now add 'handling the crazies' as, for the first time this season, someone (Kelley) was shown managing Abi well enough to massage her through a crucial vote and well enough to receive a look of gratitude rather than a look of 'you're dead to me'.

Like Spencer, Kelley is now comfortable in reality and edited to be forging jury relationships. In contrast, Jeremy may be drawing dead (losing jury votes), whether he makes F3 or not.




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This reminds me again of how lacking in SPV (second person views) Jeremy has been throughout the season.
If his is the winning edit, I would expect more comments about him from the others.

One of the best examples is his "relationship" with Tasha, one of his earliest and strongest, supposedly, allies. Jeremy tells us that he is including Tasha in his Alliance of the Strong in Ep1. I would expect at least a short scene of their face-to-face talk to set their relationship for the future, but we got nothing, zero. Mostly we see Jeremy with Andrew. Tasha was only shown in the rare group meetings. It has required scenes like Stephen picking Tasha and then Jeremy for the reward outing, to be able to tell us the relationship. It's always been labeling rather than showing. Do we know from Tasha herself, how she feels about Jeremy? We certainly heard how she feels about Kass and Abi.

Jeremy has spoken for and about Jeremy.
Like I've said before, Jeremy has been his main content-builder. He is the one to always talk about his threat as a strong player. It required having Ciera announce, out of the blue, that if they let Jeremy go to the end that he would win. Why would he win? Who else ever said anything to show that? I can recall only Jeremy himself. Oh sure, it's true enough, which makes an edit that's void of such SPV that much more, um, off.

For me, the three SPVs that stand out for Jeremy have been Spencer's comment that Jeremy is a straight up guy who he could do things with later in the game, Stephen telling us that Jeremy's focus on physical strength isn't what the game is about, and Ciera warning his allies that he will beat them if they take him to the end. Do these add up to winner SPV? For me they lack what the edit has had to have Jeremy tell us himself. Maybe that's all they had, but it has never felt adequate to me.

Contrast Spencer's pre-merge SPV. So many gratuitous comments about how nice and how smart and how dangerously good at the game he is. And it still sticks with me that they stuck in Terry's comment to him that his kids wanted Terry to work with this nice, smart, great game-player.

Jeremy's edit is still big, well tended, and consistent. All things I'd expect from a winner edit.

But, I still say that Spencer wins the pre-merge edit, hands down. Yes, he's taken the back seat in episodes since then, but he's never been a mastermind, since Shirin's boot. As he told Joe, he's never had an alliance that's lasted more than a day. Is he just a hapless, feel-good, growth edit who falls short? Or is he exactly what he and others have told us in the beginning: a smart, great game player, who has completely changed his original game.

Changing your original game is what I've always seen as the winner's theme this season. Look at the contrasts we have been given. From the glaringly obvious, like Kieth's "tweak it a little bit" speech, to Kass telling us that she likes Chaos Kass and will probably revert to her old self, to Joe telling us that he likes old-school play and stuck to his golden-boy, challenge god strategy. (One difference for Joe is his improvement in relationships, which seems to be earning him a visit from home.)

But more subtle have been the intros of Ciera, Kelley, and Jeremy. They all told us that their problem was someone else messing up their game. Ciera's mom, Kelley's dad, and Jeremy's wife. I say none of them changed or saw any reason to change their game. Like Joe, their strategy was to play their old game harder and "better".

But Spencer told us that the Survivor gods told him that his old self is gone, so what was his new self? When Spencer intro'd himself, he didn't speak about tweaking his game. He admitted that his old self was immature and treated people as pawns. His game since Ep2 has been to be a man reborn and determined to play in a completely new way. No one else has such an edit this season.



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Aren't you possibly being blinded by post-merge misdirection, GR? What I got from the last couple episodes was that Spencer has finally come into a power position, which is great, logic-wise. His smart embrace of change resulted in successfully rallying numbers in the last 3 Tribals (more or less). However, I don't think that necessarily means winner edit. It feels like Spencer's story has come to fruition possibly too early. We also have no personal story, no emotional weight behind his potential win (granted, that may come).

Whereas Jeremy had a few excellent things happen in his edit trajectory at the right time. He got two somewhat cool down episodes after his CPPPP7 episode about Val's five ;) idols. He also gets brewing doubt just when he needed it: three episodes to go, questions now arise: Did Jeremy waste an idol? Is his meat shield strategy crumbling? Is he the next big target? Can he reconvene with Spencer? Will Keith maybe come back to him? They also kinda had to show his failure this week, and his edit was minimal to suit. But I don't think they went out of their way to make Jeremy seem stupid about Joe's idol. Actually my first impression was that Jeremy was pretending to worry about other idols to deflect from his own. That may just be me. But either way, something about the edit didn't scream "oh man Jeremy wrongly thinks Joe has an idol lololol". Does anybody else agree?


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Stephen splitting his own votes was really dumb, but he still wouldn't have had enough to boot Joe (and save himself).

Kimmi is the last 'long ago' player still standing with recent-game people..
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It would have been fun to see Tasha get the boot but I was fine with Abi finally being sent to the jury. I can't believe they put up with her for that long.

They've all played a decent game, as far as I'm concerned, but I'm rooting for Kelly or Spencer to get the prize. I think they've both had to work a little harder with not being in a strong alliance. I think Kelly has done very well for herself, especially considering she was working with Abi and big mouth Ciera for a good chunk of the game.
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I lol'ed at the faces of the jurors when they saw who was being sent to Ponderosa. :P

I'm a bit perplexed about the finale. They've never had six left at this point. I hope it doesn't feel rushed. It's been one of the better seasons and to end poorly would be a shame.

I'm following the crowd and predicting the 'first time ever' event is Kelley and Jeremy both playing their idols but no one else has votes. :D

I still think Jeremy wins. One of the themes all season has been "old school vs new school." The editors have been pretty even handed about each strategy, imo, but when the chips are down, given Jeffster's particular biases, I am betting old school Jeremy wins, thus validating all of Survivor history. If Spencer had won, I believe the edit would have been skewed more to favor the new-skool players when you look back in retrospect, but in fact if anything they've been (individually) spanked in the edit. (imo)

I don't see Kelley as having a shot, editorially speaking. Her late game success is classic distraction from the winner, the challenge to defeat which justifies the winner.

Jeremy and Spence are neck-and-neck in most folks' analyses, and Spence remains very edgically logical as a winner. We have almost never had two such strong winner candidates based on the edit this late in the game. I just believe that Spencer's edit is more about him personally growing and changing as a PERSON rather than as a winner, and personal growth arcs never win ---- in old school survivor edits. da dummmmmmmm.
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Six left pre-finale is weird. On the other hand, there's often a lot of final two/three padding I can always do without...

Think you're right on the 'first time ever'...
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i was thrilled to see Abi go finally. I'm also worried about a rushed finale with 6 still left.

I am looking forward to that first time ever scenario, I said it to my hubby last night while we were watching. I wonder what happens then...re-vote?

This has been a really good season and I will be happy with any winner except maybe Kimmi, which I dont see happening anyway. I would slightly prefer Spencer over Jeremy just because I was a Spencer fan in his first season but both are deserving.
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It must be the next tribal... yeah, a re-vote... we'll have somebody with immunity, and two with idols getting all the votes... so six will have a pool of three to choose from, and no time to talk out a new plan... should be great fun.
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http://deadline.com/2015/12/john-cochran-survivor-greg-garcia-cbs-bobs-your-uncle-comedy-1201665477/
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Congrats, Jeremy! I got tired of his sob story.

That tribal was crazy! Kelley and Jeremy both playing their idol wasn't a big surprise but the way they had to talk it out at the end was intense.

The final tribal was pretty tame. I thought Cass or Abi might try to do or say something crazy but they were relatively low key. Kelly Wigglesworth made me laugh out loud.

Kelley Wentworth was my favorite. I loved how she played this season.

This was one of the best seasons since I've started watching.
Edited by bilki, Dec 17 2015, 01:00 AM.
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Crazy tribal was crazy fun.

Good season.

I also liked Wentworth.

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Returning players scorecard
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Kelly Wiglesworth
Game 1 - Borneo - 2nd of 16 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 11th of 20 players

Kimmi Kappenberg
Game 2 - Australian Outback - 12th of 16 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 6th of 20 players

Jeff Varner
Game 2 - Australian Outback - 10th of 16 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 17th of 20 players

Andrew Savage
Game 7 - Pearl Islands - 10th of 16 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 9th of 20 players

Terry Dietz
Game 12 - Panama - 3rd of 16 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 15th of 20 players (emergency out)

Peih-Gee Law
Game 15 - China - 5th of 16 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 18th of 20 players

Stephen Fishbach
Game 18 - Tocantins - 2nd of 16 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 9th of 20 players

Monica Padilla
Game 19 - Samoa - 7th of 20 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia -16th of 20 players

Abi-Maria Gomes
Game 25 - Philippines - 5th of 18 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 7th of 20 players

Vytas Baskauskas
Game 27 - Blood vs. Water - 10th of 20 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 20th of 20 players

Ciera Easten
Game 27 - Blood vs. Water - 5th of 20 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia -10th of 20 players

Tasha Fox
Game 28 - Cagayan - 6th of 18 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 2nd of 20 players (tie with Spencer)

Spencer Bledsoe
Game 28 - Cagayan - 4th of 18 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 2nd of 20 players (tie with Tasha)

Kass McQuillen
Game 28 - Cagayan - 3rd of 18 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 13th of 20 players

Woo Hwang
Game 28 - Cagayan - 2nd of 18 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 14th of 20 players

Kelley Wentworth
Game 29 - San Juan del Sur - 14th of 18 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 4th of 20 players

Jeremy Collins
Game 29 - San Juan del Sur - 10th of 18 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - winner, 20 players (unanimous 10-person jury vote)

Keith Nale
Game 29 - San Juan del Sur - 4th of 18 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 5th of 20 players

Joe Anglim
Game 30 - Worlds Apart - 10th of 18 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 8th of 20 players

Shirin Oskooi
Game 30 - Worlds Apart - 8th of 18 players
Game 31 - Second Chance, Cambodia - 19th of 20 players


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Game 32 was filmed BEFORE Game 31.
It's called Brains vs. Brawn vs. Beauty: Kaoh Rong and it premieres on 2/17.
The previous edition of B/B/B was Game 28, Cagayan, from which Tasha, Spencer, Kass, and Woo came. It aired in early 2014.

Game 32 Contestant Caleb 'Beast Mode Cowboy' Reynolds came in 4th of 16 houseguests in BB 16 (summer 2014)
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Satisfying finale. Jeremy deserved the win though his sob story did grate on my nerves after awhile too. That crazy tribal was awesome!

Pretty great season! Best in recent memory for sure.
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Haven't seen many post-show interviews and reviews but it's really interesting...

-Tasha and Spence did have a pregame alliance, but so did many others. The players were steered by production during confessional comments to talk about 'voting blocks' instead. (This is how Survivor is like Big Brother, to its detriment, since BB can more honestly show these twists and turns in relationships and background info.)

-At least 2-3 people changed their vote AT TRIBAL after learning Jeremy had a baby on the way, according to a Steven tweet.

-Spencer was right that Kelley Wentworth could have beaten Jeremy. At least 5 jurors post jury said they would have voted for her: Kass-Abi-Ciera-Joe-Keith. (I keep forgetting that Jeremy, Keith, and Kelley were on San Juan Del Sur together....)

-Kimmi: "...You could’ve put anyone next to Tasha and Spencer and they would’ve won. You could put Abi out there and it would’ve been a tough call." :wow:

-In her exit interview, Abi said she wanted Spencer to die in a fire, especially after highlighting his pre-game pact with Tasha. :D

-Wiggles: My winning number was whatever Jeremy picked. :tongue:

-Jeremy was NEVER taking Kelley (when Spence had his 'I'll make sure you lose' meltdown.) Jeremy KNEW Kelley had lots of votes on the jury. Spence should have kept calm, but his outburst gave away a dirty editing secret they HAD to finally show: He was rather disliked all game, and no one bought that he had become more about relationships. He was the only one (with the editors) pushing that storyline. Instead, people felt like Kass - he wasn't sincere and was a gamebot pretending to care about people. Which meant that to hide the big blowout at FTC, the editors had to fake Spencer's growth story, which has a lot of edgic analyzers pissed. I'm okay with it, since I had Jeremy as my solid pick since E4. :P But it really is a new game if the editors are not just manipulating the story, but making one up out of whole cloth about a player.


http://robhasawebsite.com/survivor-cambodia-exit-interviews-with-the-winner-players-from-the-final-6-121715/
Fun.
Edited by KMInfinity, Dec 18 2015, 06:10 PM.
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Yeah, I was suspicious of 'voting blocks'... At first, it was easy enough to understand what they meant by it... Like, not a strong alliance, one easily breakable, they were putting a new term on 'shifting alliances'... But the MORE we heard people say 'voting blocks', 'it's been hard adjusting to the Voting Blocks structure of playing', blah blah voting blocks, the more it felt like the show was trying to push that something New and Exciting was happening, when... It wasn't really all THAT different or Never Been Done Before. Alliances were looser. People flipped on their allies a bit more, and the tribal lines changed more often... But the game wasn't reinvented or anything.

Spencer was smart to answer Wiggles' number question with 4 after J and T said 2 and 3... But I love that it didn't matter...

Spencer's growth story seemed WAY insincere. I mean, I don't hold his gameplay against him (he did get far), but when he's crying about saying 'I love you' to his girlfriend for the first time, I'm much more that's-really-sad-if-true-but-I-don't-believe-that-it-is, not attaboy-he's-growing-up...

Spencer's choose-me-not-Kelley threat to Jeremy would have been fine if it had JUST been to Jeremy, but it was a dumb move with all of the jury watching... And then to say it over and over and over....

I don't understand baby-on-the-way making Jeremy the winner... They all already knew he was expecting, just not that it was a son... It's NOT a 'sob story', it's, you know, Really Good News...
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Spencer's choose-me-not-Kelley threat to Jeremy would have been fine if it had JUST been to Jeremy, but it was a dumb move with all of the jury watching... And then to say it over and over and over....

He admits that in the Cestercino interview....

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I don't understand baby-on-the-way making Jeremy the winner... They all already knew he was expecting, just not that it was a son... It's NOT a 'sob story', it's, you know, Really Good News...
I'll check but he says not so. No one knew he was expecting a child until the final TC. I don't get it either. Some juries really in the past have separated out the 'outside the game' factors, such as who 'needs' the money more. I think it was a convenient reason to jump on the bandwagon because you didn't like Spence or Tash and didn't want to just say that. :p

I do think Jeremy had a really strong social game overall, and that was under-edited. He had bonds with everyone just about, and everyone consulted with him. It wasn't shown, but he knew he didn't need to play his idol when Savage was booted because the 'Witches Coven' outright told him that Savage was the target. And he had pretty good rapport to know they weren't lying. Which was why I think he lost it a bit when Kimmi tried to flip on him. He was mostly mad at himself for being played. Almost.
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Okay, maybe I misheard/interpreted his Diary entries during/after his wife's visit...
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