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Sons of Anarchy; Season 7
Topic Started: Sep 9 2014, 09:41 PM (2,130 Views)
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Okay. So...

Polonius, oops-watch-where-you-hide in Act 3, Scene 4... Ophelia drowns in 4:7... Gertrude has a drink in 5:2, then Hamlet gets Claudius before he and Laertes get each other with poisoned blades (or something like that). And Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are punished for being messengers.

Tig killed Donna in 1.12. Oops.
Half-Sack got knifed up real good in 2.13.
Opie gets Stahl and Chibs gets Jimmy in 3.13.
Clay killed Piney in 4.8.
Opie sacrificed himself for the club in 5.3.
Otto finally put out of his misery in 6.4.
Jax gets Clay in 6.11.
Gemma kills Tara WITH A FORK and Juice kills Eli to cover it up in 6.13.

http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/2014/09/sons-of-anarchy-five-endings

Sutter has said we'll lose two club members by the end, but... that might be all. And he might be kidding himself...

I'm anxious to see how it all turns out.

It's funny how much time and effort went into 'getting the club out of guns', of Jax trying to get SAMCRO out of the outlaw business, and... oh, that's all off now.

Who do you think will meet Mr. Mayhem, and by what means?

I think Jax has to kill Gemma.

Juice will almost certainly die, but I'm sure any guess I'd make as to 'how' will be wrong.


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I didn't realize this was a 2 1/2 hr episode... Is it on hulu?
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Love love love the show. However, I could not watch the last scene. I had read an article in which Sutter stated the Jax was going to be darker than ever before. I may have to turn my head a few times...
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The episode is only a hour and a half, aftershow follows.

I'm guessing they will all meet Mr. Mayhem by the end....it almost has to be that way. I do think Juice will be first.

If Jax doesnt kill Gemma I will be disappointed. It kinda feels like we've been waiting 7 seasons for it to happen. Not doing it feels like a betrayal almost.

Wont go to much in detail about the premier for those watching later but it was good and bloody! Gemma is such a bitch! Poor Chinese guy.

Excited and sad knowing its the last season.
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I'm getting sleepy. Think I'll save it 'til tomorrow after work...

Saw the cast list, though -

Season 7 Main Cast
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Charlie Hunnam -- Jackson 'Jax' Teller
Katey Sagal -- Gemma Teller Morrow
Mark Boone Junior -- Robert 'Bobby' Munson
Dayton Callie -- Wayne Unser
Kim Coates -- Alex 'Tig' Trager
Drea De Matteo -- Wendy Case
Tommy Flanagan -- Filip 'Chibs' Telford
David Labrava -- Happy Lowman
Niko Nicotera -- George 'Ratboy' Skogstrom
Theo Rossi -- Jean Carlos 'Juice' Ortiz
(after opening titles) Starring
Jimmy Smits -- Nero Padilla

Out from 6 - Clay, Tara.
Promoted up from Recurring - Wendy (was in Seasons 1 and 4-6), Happy (1-6), Ratboy (4-6).
New - Nobody.

Don't think I'd ever seen Happy's last name before now, but that's a funny joke.
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The last scene.....I watched but with my hand half over my eyes.
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I'll watch tonight. I would like Nero to have a happy ending (without Gemma), the others an go to Hell where they belong.
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Okay, all the head turning has me scared. I haven't watched it yet. Do they have a PG version, like with kid versions of songs on the Disney channel?

I am only half kidding. :P

If Jax is 'darker' and there's really no one to root for, then I am gonna have a hard time sticking with it.
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loved last nites show. I hate gemma more now than ever. specially after she set the poor innocent Chinese guy up. I hope she dies even before juice which I know wont happen. I had to close my eyes on the last scene. im sad its the last season tho. im really gonna miss this show. and I really hope juice don't kill unser.
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I am ready for it to be over, I now hate everyone except Unser and Nero.

How many epi's are there to this last season, Dax?
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I'm expecting 13, but wouldn't be shocked if (like what happened with Season 4) they were to throw in a 'bonus' episode. FX will approve if Sutter needs it, I'm sure... and they'll continue to have the 'flexible end times'...
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I am starting to hate them all and I think the show is exceptionally violent for the sake of violence. I never thought that about BB.
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>> think the show is exceptionally violent for the sake of violence

Okay, but that's kind of an odd thing to say. It is an extremely violent show and always has been. The violence is essential to the story. Saying it's 'violent for the sake of violence' is... like suggesting that you're somehow surprised that there are so many sex scenes in a porn video. It is what it is. Musicals have songs. Comedies are funny. Shows about violent criminals are violent.

>> I never thought that about BB.

Very different show, but BB did give us beheadings and a throat being very graphically opened up and mass murders via poison and children being murdered and nice guys being shot in the face and explosions and someone choking to death on their own vomit and the dissolving of several bodies in acid. Also a violent show, and the violence was also intrinsic to the story.

But sure, I'd describe Vince Gilligan as a gentleman that... has some dark stuff going on in his head... and Kurt Sutter as a crazy, fucking sick bastard, but he'd also be fun to have a few beers with, you know?
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I am not surprised but I am disgusted. There was not weekly violence in BB but a series plot which included some. Jax started out with possible redeeming qualities and has evolved into a disgusting killing machine. There are multiple murders nearly every episode. Drag a guy in a wheelchair and cut out someone's larynx... couldn't even watch the end of this one and I have a pretty strong stomach. I love Vince but Sutter must truly be warped.


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I liked the premiere.

Love Patterson's visit with Jax and (later) Unser.

Good Gemma/Wendy.

Don't hurt Wayne, Juice...

The guy in the wheelchair was funny when he said he couldn't understand anything Chibs was saying. Because we can relate...

Fun cover of Bohemian Rhapsody.

http://tvline.com/2014/09/09/sons-of-anarchy-recap-season-7-premiere-post-mortem/
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I REALLY hope Juice doesnt hurt Unser. That would make me very unhappy. I dont think Gemma would be okay with that either. I do worry though since I dont think we saw Unser in any of the previews.

I did really enjoy the music.

I do like Patterson. Shes pretty great.
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I loved the redo of Bohemian Rhapsody.
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I hope not either. Like I said, Unser and Nero are the only guys I think are not toally evil. I feel bad for Wendy too..
Edited by Krystal, Sep 11 2014, 04:40 PM.
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I like Bobby, too.

Ratboy doesn't seem 'bad', but we don't know a whole lot about him.

I don't think any of our (surviving, I don't mean Clay) guys are 'evil'. They're doing bad things, but usually to worse people, or in self-defense.
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Watched some. For the first time in ... ever? I stopped watching something midway. Read the HitFix recap, and the almost universally negative comments. And agree with them. I'll post some here since they say better what I would say.

*Not one redeemable character. Nobody to root for. Sutter continues to ruin a once promising show.

*I'm out. I don't care how much I had previously invested in this series. There is nothing left for me in this story.

*That does it for me after hanging with the show for 6 seasons. Violence, blood, more violence, characters with no humanity left...

And a rebuttal,which was quickly stomped:
*What a bunch of cry babies. Did any of you watch The Shield? Did you expect something different? From day one, there was no doubt the characters of this show would spiral downward...

*...except The Shield was well written with characters I cared about. I no longer care about anyone on Sons. It's a straw man to say it's not Mad Men or Breaking Bad. It's not even a good version of itself.

I'm out, but will read the recaps just to see how it all goes wrong.
Edited by KMInfinity, Sep 13 2014, 02:57 PM.
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I like the show. I care about a few characters (Unser, Patterson, Wendy, Nero) and want to see the comeuppance for Gemma... I don't know if I 'care' about a lot of the guys, but I do want to know what's going to happen to them... I don't feel like Sutter has 'ruined' his own show... I do think this story IS the story he's been telling all along... but yes, there's some eye-rolling to the Jax of the last six years saying 'oh, never mind, I was wrong' now, but... well, I GET that Tara's murder is going to change him, and it's easy to accept that he doesn't/wouldn't suspect Gemma...

The Shield was a lot better, and Mad Men and Breaking Bad are in entirely different classes... SOA and Shield will rightfully forever be discussed alongside each other (both FX, both 7 season runs, Sutter a principle writer/producer on Shield, and much cast crossover between them). The Shield had some richer characters and MAYBE more 'optimism'... um. Maybe not. It's also pretty damned dark. It had interesting one-off (and supporting characters') stories running alongside the major arc, something SOA wasn't able to do...
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I still like the show alot. Granted I do think Sutter has gone too far with certain characters, I'm nowhere near ready to give up the show. I think I come at it from a bit of a different place than most though, knowing quite a bit about that life and knowing alot of people in the life it interests me to see it play out in a show. Sure much of it is exaggerated for tv but really bad shit does happen and the people who are involved arent always evil, imo. I think that makes me a little more likely to forgive the characters (and Sutters writing on occasion) when others wont.

I'll be with it until the end, no doubt.
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KMI, I agree with the reviewers. The characters have become loathesome and non redeemable. I really am questioning whether to keep watching as well.
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>>>>>knowing quite a bit about that life and knowing alot of people in the life
See, I'm the opposite. That's exactly why some of it seems too close to home, too difficult for me to think of as 'a show.' On the one hand it's so over the top it's unrealistic and too grim, but on the other hand, something will resonate and remind me of some thing from long ago. In a bad way. It's weird. I can't exactly explain why it affects me more than usual.

But the bottom line is that the I could have overlooked all of the issues if I felt the show wasn't, on some level, making me complicit - a sort of 'emperor's new clothes' situation. I could imagine Sutter saying, "If you stuck it out until the end of SOA, you are a piece of shit, just like Clay and Gemma and Tig and the rest. Y'all suck. Otherwise you woulda quit watching."
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Sutter would never say anything like that - he wants people to love him. (But David Chase did express similar sentiments about/to those that glorified his Sopranos characters during its final run... he didn't necessarily invite viewers to 'judge' the characters, but he did, you know, underscore the point that they're not nice or 'good' guys at all...)

Season premiere of SOA was the highest-rated show in FX history...
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I still like the show a lot too. and I knew jax would go over the edge after tara was killed. gemma has to go tho. cant stand her even more now. I have been with this show since the start. I cant give up now. I gotta see it thru till the end. im really gonna miss it. :o(
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#2 -

I like the friendship foundation in Wendy/Nero. That's interesting.

Fun that just a week after her final appearance on The Bridge, Gish turns up in Charming.

Gibby-in-Selma was important to Jury, the Indian Hills charter President. Father/son, looks like... oops. Moving too quickly, Jax, not studying the pieces before you play them... really sloppy.

Unser/Juice and Unser/Gemma scenes were really good.

That shot of Juice leaving in Wendy's car, his bag on the seat next to him... and he whips out his phone to call Chibs... big 'No, you ought not to do that...', very reminiscent of the shot of De Matteo's Adriana driving out of town, her bag on the seat next to her, in 'Long Term Parking'... but she didn't drive out of town, she called Christopher, and... ought not to have done that.
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If Gemma thinks Wendy is getting cozy with Nero, that could mean the end of Wendy....I do hope Wendy survives...

Really glad Juice did not kill Unser, but Juice is really brain scrambled and the way it is looking he won't survive many more epis.

Does Jax now think that the Asians ordered for Tara to be killed? I know jemma fingered the one guy but I thought killing him would be the end of it. Gemma just makes bigger messes all the time, she is totally toxic.

Why did Jax have to kill the 2 young men that helped him with the Asians? I do think one was the other biker's son. It is that kind of killing that bothers me more than the hit on the Asian gang.
Jax has just become a total scumbag with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Best line of the show "blame it on Obama"..
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>> Does Jax now think that the Asians ordered for Tara to be killed? I know jemma fingered the one guy but I thought killing him would be the end of it.

Yes. Jax believes Henry Lin had Tara killed.

>> Why did Jax have to kill the 2 young men that helped him with the Asians?

Patsies. So they (the two dead guys) would be believed to have pulled off the robbery.

>> It is that kind of killing that bothers me more than the hit on the Asian gang.

Sure. It's one thing to kill your enemies, but the hired help? That's not cool.
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Who would believe that those 2 doofi could kill 20 or more Asians....

Dax is really doing a lot of stupid things.
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