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| tgir | Apr 6 2015, 09:29 AM Post #211 |
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I watched most of the last half season finale and remembered how much I loved that episode. It did get me in the right mood/mind set to see last night's. I also realized how much I love Roger and how good it was to see him finally become something of a stand up guy: looking after his grandson, with his ex wife; figuring a way to keep Don (and jettison Cutler--he's gone, right?) I loved Ken's revenge and sincerely hope that after he spends some time sticking it to Pete that he does what he should do and what his wife wants: goes off to write something and find some fulfillment. I was so sad that Peggy couldn't find her passport. How great would that have been? And how great that Steve is telling everybody about going to Paris together in a few weeks. That has got to happen. Re: waitress. I noticed the resemblance to Rachel and to a smaller extent, to Midge but she seemed too young to be either of them. I thought maybe she would turn out to be one of Don's relatives or the daughter of one of the whores in the house he grew up with. How horrible that she figured the outrageous tip that Roger left for being such a rude jackass was a payment up front for sex. And that she thought she had to go through with it. I wanted to punch those guys in the Topaz meeting. So bad. And wanted Joan to punch them. Don does have a 'thing' about seeing interesting things when someone important to him dies. I will miss this show when it ends. |
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| Dax | Apr 6 2015, 01:05 PM Post #212 |
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http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/04/mad-men-season-premiere http://www.vulture.com/2015/04/mad-men-matthew-weiner-explains-the-premiere.html http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/mad-men-director-premiere-wish-786524 http://deadline.com/2015/04/mad-men-final-season-director-scott-hornbacher-1201404718/ Season 1, July-October 2007, covered March to November of 1960. Season 2, July-October 2008, covered February to October of 1962. Season 3, August-November 2009, covered March to December of 1963. Season 4, July-October 2010, covered November 1964 to October of 1965. Season 5, March-June 2012, covered June 1966 to April of 1967. Season 6, April-June 2013, covered late December 1967 to Thanksgiving of 1968. Season 7 Part One, April-May 2014, covered mid-January to July of 1969. Season 7 Part Two, April-May 2015, begins in April of 1970. |
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| bilki | Apr 6 2015, 05:36 PM Post #213 |
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After reading comments over there, I'm disappointed in myself for mostly forgetting about Rachel Menken Katz. A number of people were hoping for Don and Rachel to eventually end up together. Some even angry that she's now dead. I have that one vague memory of their break up. Yes, it was nice to see Roger with his grandson there while they were watching the moon landing. I wonder if his daughter is still living with the hippies. I'm amused that they skipped to the Spring of '70, as those fans who thought Megan was going to have some connection to the Manson murders are now pissed about it. |
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| Dax | Apr 6 2015, 05:51 PM Post #214 |
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I didn't necessarily want them to end up together, but I did hope (once Siff had been killed off Sons of Anarchy) that we might see her again before the end... Well. This counts, but... Sad. Fun, too, that (like Siff) I know the actress (Rebecca Creskoff) playing her sister so much better now, from Hung, Bates Motel, Justified... It's 'oh, cool, I know her', but I forgot/didn't realize that she'd been on two first season episodes... A friend/co-worker started marathoning MM last Friday... She watched 1-8 in one big chunk... Had headphones in, but I'd look over at her screen... Everybody looks so YOUNG... I never watched My So-Called Life, except the first one or two... I have the nifty box set from a few years ago. 'Someday'... |
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| Dax | Apr 6 2015, 09:44 PM Post #215 |
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http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/06/mad-men-aaron-staton-premiere-kens-revenge-and-eyepatch. Staton says he's unsure of how long ago the GE guys shot out his eye (guesses maybe six months, doesn't think it's been 'years and years')... I looked it up. Happened in 6.12, taking place in October of '68... So it's been a year and a half. But this was the reveal that it was a PERMANENT injury... http://www.vulture.com/2015/04/elisabeth-moss-on-her-date-on-tonights-mad-men.html http://www.vulture.com/2015/04/devon-gummersall-on-mad-men-being-brian-krakow.html http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/q-and-a/a38696/devon-gummersall-brian-krakow-mad-men-interview/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/06/maggie-siff-mad-men_n_7012614.html |
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| Dax | Apr 12 2015, 01:16 PM Post #216 |
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Kevin Rahm (Ted) is a good slimy villain on Bates Motel this season, but I think January Jones is the first Mad Men 'vet' to secure a series regular spot AND be picked up for a second season already, on Fox's The Last Man on Earth... |
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| Krystal | Apr 12 2015, 03:47 PM Post #217 |
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I still have not watched. I am really ho hum about it now. I am sure I will sooner or later. |
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| Dax | Apr 13 2015, 04:50 PM Post #218 |
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/mad-men-director-explains-sundays-788364 http://time.com/3819309/mad-men-don-draper-diana-mother/ http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/mad-men-director-explains-sundays-788364 http://www.vulture.com/2015/04/mad-men-elizabeth-reaser-diana-waitress.html http://www.vulture.com/2015/04/jessica-pare-mad-men-changed-my-life.html |
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| Krystal | Apr 15 2015, 07:39 PM Post #219 |
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The hair and clothes, wow, brought back memories. Roger's mustache is dumb looking an makes him look older. Watched the first one. I thought Peggy should have slept with the guy. Why not... The business meeting with Joan and Peggy was pretty accurate for the time. The guys felt compelled to hit on any woman in the room, and had Joan not been there, they would have hit on Peggy, or made some remarkds anyhow. The sniping in the elevator was sad though. So seeing Rachel was some kind of dream for Don or what? Funny to see Siff if only briefly. I hope we don't have to see much of Betty, just because there are so few epis, I would rather see more of Joan, Peggy et al. I'll stay one behind and watch the last 2 together as usual. |
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| Dax | Apr 15 2015, 08:03 PM Post #220 |
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Yes, Don saw Rachel in a dream. I liked the way Ted brought her in, but then when she was going out, Pete was there instead... |
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| tgir | Apr 15 2015, 08:54 PM Post #221 |
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I'll trade Pete for Betty any day of the week, and then some (sorry KMI). |
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| bilki | Apr 17 2015, 05:55 PM Post #222 |
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It was nice to see Betty because there was some growth there. I liked that she was going back to college to pursue psychology, especially because Betty's attachment to Sally's counselor is something made me empathetic towards Betty. If we saw a glimpse into the future, it would be fun if Betty had found some inner peace while Don was still relatively tormented. I didn't get Megan's nastiness towards Don. How did he ruin her life? Wasn't the divorce a mutual decision? Did I miss something? I'm still not sure what I think about Don and the waitress. |
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| Marg | Apr 17 2015, 06:14 PM Post #223 |
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I agree about seeing Betty's growth -- that was positive. Although, I must admit I have not disliked Betty as much as some have. Megan and her mother were completely hostile towards Don. I just didn't understand that either. And Megan's scenes with her sister were an absolute waste , and don't particularly care that they both come from Quebec -- so what!! I was surprised regarding the addition of a new character (the waitress) with so few episodes remaining. However, I do like her rather complex relationship with Don. |
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| Dax | Apr 17 2015, 06:18 PM Post #224 |
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Megan was fine on the phone in the beginning... Things were cool, amicable. But between her mother humiliatingly stealing the furniture, catching her Mom with Roger, and the meeting with Harry being a major asshat... Megan had a very bad day, and took it out on Don. I don't think she meant everything she said, but it was funny how Roger's prediction came true, even if that didn't seem too likely at the time he said it... I like Elizabeth Reaser (Diana). I think it's 'interesting', but any new relationship this close to the end is hard to invest in... She sure doesn't look to be Don's Happily Ever After... |
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| Dax | Apr 17 2015, 08:31 PM Post #225 |
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SOA's Tara in a dream last week, and Abel (Krystal's favorite child actors) this week (they play Gene Draper..). I have mutual friends with Joel Murray (one of Bill's brothers, and Freddy Rumsen on MM), and they were wishing him a happy birthday on Facebook today... http://www.fastcompany.com/3045082/my-creative-life/mad-men-creator-matthew-weiners-reassuring-life-advice-for-struggling-artis |
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| tgir | Apr 18 2015, 02:17 PM Post #226 |
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Bilki, I also liked that Betty was going to pursue psychology. Good for her. Glad she and Don seem like friends. I am not at all interested in Diana but got some satisfaction out of Megan's bad day. |
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| Krystal | Apr 18 2015, 03:39 PM Post #227 |
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She needs to analyze herself first, and why she is such a selfish and shitty mother. I am one behind, but no problem hearing that. Women in those days started to wake up that there was more to life than just shopping and hair salons. Altough, you'd never know it from here. Someone at the gym actually asked for my opinion on what color her mani/pedit should be. (seriously). I told her if that was the hardest choice she had to make for the day it was pretty sad. It's a wonder any of them talk to me :) |
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| bilki | Apr 19 2015, 07:37 PM Post #228 |
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We can always count on you to tell us how you really feel, Krystal. :D |
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| Krystal | Apr 19 2015, 08:30 PM Post #229 |
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For sure! Seriously my mom was Betty like. Narrcisstic , pathological need to look good to others and to trying to make me some kind of pink clad dolly. |
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| bilki | Apr 19 2015, 09:31 PM Post #230 |
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I think I've said before that I see shades of my mother in Betty, too. That sharp tongue. But Betty has a sort of melancholy that I relate to, which is why I'm fine with being a Betty apologist. |
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| tgir | Apr 19 2015, 11:52 PM Post #231 |
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I am a big Betty apologist as well, bilki. At least right up until she marries that turd Henry... But I think it is a good sign that she's looking to something for herself and not just appearances. We all may hate how shallow and vain she's been but she always got smacked down pretty hard whenever she tried to do or be anything more. Although I might not feel that way except for two things: the incident when she shoots the birds and the scenes with Sally's therapist. I will also add that I really don't care much for Sally at all. Well, I don't care much for how any of the women on the show are treated/viewed. Don's secretary makes me want to scream. Most of the time, for most of the female characters, I just want to see what they are wearing and think: oh, yeah: I remember that. Some of what they resurrect is not good at all. And some times, it really just seems as though the female characters are given small bits to show that time has progressed which we know by their clothes and hair styles. And to show that the show knows the era because of the clothes and hairstyles... Sigh. |
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| Krystal | Apr 20 2015, 12:37 AM Post #232 |
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Well, I think the chauvinistic attitudes are more or less accurately portrayed. Roger and Don have been hopeless womanizers. Peggy is at least making progress and being taken seriously.. |
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| Dax | Apr 20 2015, 01:14 AM Post #233 |
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Great Don/Peggy tonight. Betty reunited with an 18 year-old Glen... Oh, Mathis... Beautiful Pete reaction... |
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| tgir | Apr 20 2015, 07:50 AM Post #234 |
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I think the chauvinistic attitudes are probably pretty accurate (with dramatic license). I don' think there's anything that forces the show to treat most female characters as window dressing in order to evoke an era/give the costume designers something fun and creative to do. I grew up in that era, albeit in small town Indiana with grandparents on both sides plus my favorite aunt and uncle who farmed. And very much a Baptist leaning area. Catholics were liberals, relatively speaking. It was much more conservative than the people/era being portrayed on Mad Men. The women were much more than window dressing. Hell, June Cleaver was much more than window dressing and that show was actually BEFORE Mad Men. The women I grew up with were closer to Lucy and Ethel but June as well as Lucy and Ethel all had real minds of their own and were aware of their own power and position. They consciously ran families while flattering and taking care of their husbands and plotting their kids' futures and bitching about theirs. |
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| Krystal | Apr 20 2015, 09:58 AM Post #235 |
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Define window dressing. I think some of the lesser characters are but not the main women. Many of the men are pretty vacuous as well. |
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| Krystal | Apr 20 2015, 02:30 PM Post #236 |
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TGIR, women in my community did all of those things as well, but I don't recall many working outside the home, and there were no professional women, pilots or anything then. There may have been some, somewhere, but our guidance councilor never told women they could do anything but be a teacher or a nurse, or if you were slim and didn't mind being weighed daily, a flight attendant. There were not role models for women where I grew up, other than being mothers or those things. I know a number of women who did go back to school in their 30's, as they had children very young and by then the kids were in junior high or older. But mostly they still chose nursing or some other adjunct career, no medical school nor even CPA etc. That was my experience. |
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| Dax | Apr 20 2015, 02:45 PM Post #237 |
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http://www.vulture.com/2015/04/january-jones-betty-more-modern-than-we-think.html |
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| Krystal | Apr 20 2015, 03:59 PM Post #238 |
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I never had to read about feminism to become one. |
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| tgir | Apr 20 2015, 04:37 PM Post #239 |
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When/where I grew up, most mothers did not work outside of the home and very, very few fathers attended college. I'm pretty hard pressed to think of one who did, actually. It was small town/fresh off the farm and/or working in factory kind of place. My dad was the first male in his family to not go into farming, although that had been his plan to do at one point. This was when most farmers could feed their families and put in the next year's crops and that was about the end of things. A few moms worked in clothing stores, supposedly for the discounts but really, where I grew up, everybody was pretty happy if they had made it to middle class. One friend's mom was finishing up her re-certification to be a school teacher (her dad was a colonel in the army and they moved back to Indiana as his last post before retirement at which point, he bought a farm....) but aside from the teachers I knew in school and the women I knew who worked as nurses, well, women worked at home. Maybe did Tupperware or Avon but most of the ladies didn't have extra for Avon and maybe not tupperware, so it wasn't a big supplement. But I didn't know a single woman who was as brainless or with as little agency as all of the women on Mad Men (possible exceptions of Peggy and maybe Joan). All had opinions that went far beyond what to make for dinner or what to wear or what color to paint the living room. And most managed their families, homes and husbands. My parents both grew up during the depression. Each had a parent who was chronically ill and who died when they were 10 years old (weird coincidence) leaving the other parent (my mother's mother, my father's father) to raise the family on her/his own. My grandmother had finished high school, I think. Not more than that. My grandfather had dropped out of school at 16 when his own father died, leaving my grandfather as the oldest child/ son who would continue the farm and provide for his own mother and siblings. My grandmother raised 4 kids after her husband died, from (as far as I can tell) a stroke but possibly because of injuries--PTSD, at the very least--from WWI. For my parents, having the ability to provide for a young family on only one income was a major, major victory. They had had to raise themselves, for the most part. As we all entered school, my father was very keen on my mother going back to work. My mother was less keen: she remembered growing up with her mother always at work, and how vulnerable girls could be. She was also an extreme introvert. My father was completely insensitive to the difficulties that one might face having been out of work for some 15 years or more. My mother had quit work when my older sister was 2 because of child care difficulties, with my father's full blessing. I loved dad but he was an ass who didn't realize or refused to recognize how hard it is to go back to work after years as a home maker or that her earning power would be seriously compromised. The part I didn't know at the time (and ony ever heard my father's side of) is that they had agreed to split when my youngest sister was--you guessed it: 10. Mom had her stroke 2 months before my sister's 10th birthday. I stayed home for years, a complete departure from my original plan. Frankly, I am counting the days until I can retire now. Or rather: quit work. I have a lot of things I want to do that have nothing to do with shopping or mani/pedis (I still have never had either) or whatever. |
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| Krystal | Apr 20 2015, 07:39 PM Post #240 |
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If you want to see brainless women, come to Scottdale, 2015. There really are not many important female characters on the show, period. Joan and Peggy are about it. Betty was not stupid, but self involved. Maybe they will have her expand her horizons. I'd like to see that. Rachel was sharp as was the psychologist (or whatever she was), that liked Don, but he dumped her. Megan is a ditz. The other female characters have been peripheral, and of little importance. If I am supposed to be offended by some chicklets in short dresses pandering over Don and Roger at the diner, well I am not. These women are called whores and there are still plenty of them. They are in great demand for those kind of guys. None of the guys have been portrayed in a very gracious light either. They are mostly all assholes. My mother was a welder in WW2. Pittsburgh manufactured a ship A WEEK during the war, big ones. The steel mills were there. All the guys were off to war and the women built the ships. I have pix of her in her welding garb. Wasn't Flashdance, I'll tell you that. So war ends, women are told to go home and have babies, which they did, hence the baby boomers like us. All my friends fathers worked in the mills. Sadly, the mills went down the tubes in the 80's and the jobs went with them. My dad started a small business in the 60's, before the mills closed, a tire store, which did OK. My mother started to work ther when I was about 10, and continued till he died at 62. She was 60. My area was about 90% Italian Catholic, so they had a lot of kids and I hung around with them and got fed good home made food. I still love Italian food. No one's moms worked, but having 5 kids without all the fancy appliances we havewas plenty of work. Plus the cooking. Just saying, no role models for women. |
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