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Mad Men; Season 7
Topic Started: Jan 11 2014, 01:42 PM (4,686 Views)
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Love the look on Don's face as Peggy gives him his assignment. http://previously.tv/mad-men/don-draper-stares-at-peggy-olson-for-a-very-long-time/

Roger story was heartbreaking.

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Fun comment under Sepinwall's review, from 'Scuba Steve' >> There were a lot of interesting references to Kubrick's The Shining in this episode. On top of the more obvious 2001: A Space Odyssey references.

Don walking into an empty office and hearing distant celebration.

The scene where Roger's secretary is "chased" around a labyrinth by Ellery looking a lot like Danny.

The computer guy being Lloyd. As in Lloyd the bartender who served Jack Torrance.

Don in the office of a guy who killed himself only to have Freddy tell him, just get it over with if you want to kill yourself.

To anyone who has seen the Shining these surely had to resonate.
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I didn't think of any of those things, either... but once pointed out... nah, it's not too much of a stretch to think a show heavy with 2001 references might also sneak in some Shining ones... winks and nods, not on the same level as the Megan/Manson conspiracy-lovers...
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Didn't give him up, really... Joan has only invited him to play a tiny part in Kevin's life.
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http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/jon-hamm-cover-million-dollar-arm
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>> of at least two events.

Which ones?
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Ginsberg was definitely 'odd' before the computer showed up, but yes... big escalation. He's very sick.

Megan was 'apologizing' for letting/making Stephanie leave before Don got there, but yeah, weird plan.
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http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/mad-men-ginsberg-nipple

http://www.vulture.com/2014/05/mad-men-ben-feldman-took-ginsbergs-nipple-as-a-souvenir.html
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Anybody remember an early-90s GL character... detective Patrick Cutter? Never had much of a story... chemistry with Marcy Walker's Tangie, but she was still entangled with Josh, I think, so they never quite committed to a full romance between relative newbies... think he was eventually a murder victim of Brent/Marion...

Anyway. That actor, Scott Hoxby. Caught his name in the credits last night. Lee, the guy in the middle of the Commander Cigarettes trio of guys.
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I liked him on GL (and remembered his name somehow... my brain is full of GL trivia that doesn't seem to fade much), but didn't recognize him, really, even after I went back over it, knowing it was him. I mean, he DID look familiar-ish, but I couldn't place him as Cutter...
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Less gross, sure.

More effective, I don't think so.

Peggy's reaction was gold.
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He kinda DID... but of course, she could handle him...

I don't think he's a danger to others, but he's definitely proven to be so to himself... that MUST have hurt...
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/bthesite/tv-lust/bal-qa-ben-feldman-on-his-cringeworthy-mad-men-moment-20140513,0,7047523.story

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/13/mad-men-ben-feldman-nipple/
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http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2014/05/mad-men-elisabeth-moss-interview-season-7.html

http://franklinavenue.blogspot.com/2014/05/la-cameo-heres-where-mad-men-shot-those.html Neat!

http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/stephen-colbert-matthew-weiner-mad-men-final-season/?

http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2014/05/mad-men-james-wolk-interview-season-7.html
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Though we all share disappointment that the midseason finale is tonight, I'm really surprised nobody commented on 7.6 at all.

I enjoyed all of the Don/Peggy stuff very much. Lovely dance between them...
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Very cool midseason finale.

Poor Harry.

Ted cutting off the engine of the plane on the Sunkist guys... Pete's shout of "And the clients wanna live, too, Ted!"... big laughs.
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>> a whole year to wait?

Should be 7 (or 8? 9?) less weeks than that...

>> I get Megan has been hot and cold with Don, but lately seems desperate to hold on. I dislike that she's the one who ended it. It would have made sense earlier, but not in the midst of that phonecall. Did I miss something?

Picking up more of her things on her last trip in 6 was telling... it was just what she was saying about the job and 'fighting so hard'... I don't think it was on her mind to do it right then... just happened. Don has seemed resigned for awhile that it WOULD happen, but seemed pretty determined to not be the one that calls it...

>> I get that Don cost the agency oodles of money, but Roger said it all. Don is sought after by other agencies. So why is Cutler so anti-Don? Manage him, don't eliminate him.

Well, for story purposes, Jim's 'the bad guy', but from his POV... no, I liked his 'unimpressed' speech. Since joining forces, he's never seen Don be 'Don'. I can see why he'd think they'd be better off without him.

>> I still think Don's first family could have fallen into the sea and I wouldn't miss them.

I appreciate the check-ins. Often less interesting, sure, but they don't eat up THAT much time. The focus IS Sally - not Betty - and Sally is still rightfully a huge part of Don's story.

>> I predict this becomes a mistake they need to undo in the end.

I don't think so. With seven hours left, I think this was our third (fourth if you count the Brits buying them) big agency shake-up, and they're not gonna go there again. Of course, with the family Burger Chef ending last week, it did FEEL like they might do a Don/Pete/Peggy new firm, but... nope, this instead.

>> The very weird ending makes me think Don is not yet out of the clear. (Obvs. since there's seven episodes remaining) He seems to be back on track, and seems to have reclaimed his soul/work balance, but that bit of looney tunes with Bert suggests he's lost his marbles.

Just Bert and Don saying goodbye to each other. Nothing ominous or 'big' there, except maybe the message that the best things in life are free (coming right after a big business/money coup).

>> So how does it all end? With closure?

Some, I'm sure.

>> In medias res?

More of that.

>> Tragically?

There's still worry for Roger's daughter (and Ginsberg?), but I don't think there will be another major death, like Bert's here...

>> Optimistically? For some or all?

For Don and Peggy, yeah... think so.

Five more months to go in the 60s. But do we get to peek ahead? Will we get a glimpse of the 80s? Or... the present day?
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Well, Cutler is to Ted kinda the same way Roger is to Don (age range, their relationship)... and Ted IS talented and smart, generally speaking, not the joke that his depression has made him into recently...

It is fun to sometimes think of LA Law-era Hamlin while watching him now (here, or on Shameless). He's different, older, than I imagined he'd be... where Jimmy Smits - even playing radically different characters - is a lot more 'recognizable' to his younger years...

No, I've never subscribed to the Falling Man in the Credits Should Be Taken Literally thing. I mean, as a symbol of Don 'falling', sure... it's worked from the start. A lot of the series has been about Don falling and failing. But I don't think Mad Men ends with his suicide (or Pete's, or anyone else's... we had Lane. That card has been played. Ted turning the plane off and scaring the hell out of their clients... it's interesting that they'd find comedy in suicidal thoughts... but I don't see Ted taking his life, either).
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Was your LA Law viewing a refresher or new-to-you?

Loved that show... I remember watching it every week with my parents...

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http://blogs.amctv.com/mad-men/2014/05/qa-robert-morse-bertram-cooper-2
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I expect I'd find that it wouldn't all hold up, no, but I expect there's stuff that does, too... either way, still probably easy to see it as the stepping stone it was in the maturing of television storytelling...

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Hill Street Blues a little 'before my time', but I bought 1 & 2 on dvd and was frustrated when no more followed... happy there's a Complete Series set out now. (I watched the first few episodes on the first set, but it got set aside and I never got back to it...)

I didn't see St. Elsewhere, either.


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Peggy had a boy.

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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/mad-men-matthew-weiner-talks-707107

http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/mad-men-series-finale-matthew-weiner-emmys-amc/

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/mad-men-creator-matthew-weiner-on-singing-dancing-and-writing-the-series-finale

http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/mad-men-qa-with-matthew-weiner-life-and-death-are-bigger-than-money-1201193163/#

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mad-Men-Bert-Cooper-Postmortem-Matthew-Weiner-1082276.aspx

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/robert-morse-on-his-big-mad-men-number/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/mad-mens-robert-morse-on-dancing-into-the-sunset-20140527

http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2014/05/mad-men-kevin-rahm-interview.html
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Yeah, Don's seen his brother, father... other ghosts, I think (not drug-or-alcohol-induced). Weiner gives a few examples in a couple of the interviews. Also very satisfyingly answers (to me) the why-is-Joan-so-against-Don question that so many had, but probably would not have had if they'd been viewing 6 and 7a back-to-back, instead of a year apart...
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http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/mad-men-stanley-kubrick

Mad Men finale... Camera panning across a room we haven't seen before, revealing that the scene is set in 1983 as a couple kids we haven't seen before are sitting on a couch listening to Don as he's narrating what appears to have been a long story... Camera goes to him, and we see third Draper wife Peggy sitting on his lap, giving him a big kiss. Don concludes his story with '... and THAT'S how I met your mother'.

(It's Weiner honoring his CBS sitcom roots, since he used to write for Becker...)

(No, I don't want Don and Peggy to get together. I'm just fooling around...)
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http://www.deadline.com/2014/06/mad-men-cast-season-finale-deadline-screening/
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Production has wrapped... they partied last night... http://www.justjared.com/2014/06/29/jon-hamm-january-jones-wrap-up-mad-men-with-cast-party/
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So jealous. http://www.people.com/article/vicent-kartheiser-alexis-bledel-married
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http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2e0npr/hi_my_name_is_matthew_weiner_you_may_know_me_from/
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Nah, I didn't know about it beforehand... (Haven't read much of it yet, either...)

Obviously, Mad Men has done just fine with its restrictions... of course, I would not have MINDED nudity had that been an option, and perhaps a few more you-can't-say-that-on-basic-cable words. I would not have wanted a more violent MM, for sure.

Love the answer to the less serious question.
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7 Part 1 out on dvd and blu-ray today. Bonus stuff (on either) of this year's Paley panel at Target for $20 (again, either... felt weird buying the lower-res for the same price, but I want all of the dvd sets together on the shelf... I file the blus separately - I do HAVE 1-4 of MM on blu ($10 each awhile back, couldn't resist), but not 5 & 6, so... didn't want a gap...)

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