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| Krystal | Sep 1 2013, 11:02 PM Post #151 |
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Help. I saved this week as I want to watch the last 2 together. So I just watched last week. I still don't get the cigarette pack. Where did it come from and what did it mean? |
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| Dax | Sep 2 2013, 12:24 AM Post #152 |
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Jesse was looking for his pot. Huell had lifted it from his pocket. This made Jesse remember... End of Season 4 - Walt poisoned Jesse's girlfriend's (Andrea, you know, the very pretty one who is on The Bridge now) little brother (Brock) with a plant (Lily of the Valley). He did this in order to get Jesse fully back on his side and against Gus... When Brock became very sick very suddenly, Jesse assumed the ricin was to blame (he had been keeping a vial of the ricin inside a cigarette inside a pack, always on his person, waiting for an opportunity to use it on Gus at Walt's behest... but he kinda didn't want to, because he's kinda against murdering again, and, you know, Gus was really scary...), even ran into the hospital and aroused a lot of suspicion by SAYING he thought it was from ricin (and it wasn't). But the cigarette was no longer in the pack... Jesse figured what HAD to have happened (and he's right - this IS what happened) was that Huell lifted the pack from Jesse's pocket. Jesse confronts Walt, holds a gun to his head, accuses Walt... Walt begs for his life and pleads his case (very convincingly, but perhaps it helped some that Cranston didn't know when this scene was filmed...) -- he wouldn't poison a child, take that kind of risk, and for what? Don't you see? GUS had to have done it... the cigarette was probably in your locker at the lab, and they got to it then, somehow... Jesse had doubts, but... lowered the gun. (Tio helps with Gus. Gus goes boom. Now we're into Season 5...) Walt tied up the where-did-the-ricin-cigarette-go loose end by helping Jesse look for it at the house... he snuck a fake one into the roomba vacuum. (The real ricin vial was put by Walt behind a light outlet at the house for safekeeping... and has now been retrieved by Walt in the flashforward) Now - When he realized his pocket had been picked by Huell, Jesse realized that HE WAS RIGHT about it having happened the first time... so Jesse doesn't go to his Happily Ever After in Alaska. |
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| Dax | Sep 2 2013, 12:55 AM Post #153 |
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Tonight... Loved Marie's therapy session. Kinda hard to go back and continue bitching about new parking rules at work... Slight bummer we didn't get to see Hank fill Gomez in on everything... Great Saul line - "Okay, but say, y'know, just for the sake of argument, the kid's not in the mood for a nuanced discussion of the virtues of child poisoning..." I was worried for Jesse pre-meet-in-the-plaza because the mic looked pretty visible through his shirt when Hank put it on... Four more. |
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| Krystal | Sep 2 2013, 11:31 AM Post #154 |
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I think I am going to have to watch this show from epi 1 through when it ends. I feel like I am paying attention but miss stuff. Dax, that was helpful but I am still somewhat fuzzy. Did Jesse still think it had been Gus who poisoned the kid? Or did he think he was accidentaly poisoned? I know he did not suspect Walter. And was the poison cig in the pack? Why did the pack or was it put in jesse's pocket? I know Saul's goon took the dope, but I stil don't get how or why the cigg pack was in jesse's pocket. |
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| Dax | Sep 2 2013, 02:19 PM Post #155 |
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Jesse DID suspect Walt, until Walt convinced him it was Gus. There's a link to a video somebody made... I'll track it down in a second... While waiting for the ride, Jesse was looking in his pockets for his pot. It was gone. There was a pack of cigarettes in another of his pockets, but that's not what he was looking for. These weren't any more poisonous than any other cigarettes are, and it doesn't mean anything more than 'Jesse is a smoker', but the realization that Huell took his pot was a DING DING DING in Jesse's head.... |
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| Krystal | Sep 2 2013, 02:22 PM Post #156 |
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OK, I thought maybe Huell switched out the ciggies and put in a poison one or something. I couldn't place the wife from the Bridge as Jesse's former girlfriend. She is indeed a looker. Was driving me nuts. |
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| Dax | Sep 2 2013, 02:31 PM Post #157 |
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No. And no, not the wife... Emily Rios is Andrea here and Adriana (the journalist) on The Bridge. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1986960/ Alma (Marco's wife) is played by Catalina Sandino Moreno http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1503432 and if you know her from anything, it's probably the movie Maria Full of Grace (she got an Oscar Best Actress nom for it). Heroin mule, all the little baggies... devastatingly sad. Both ladies, of course, are very pretty. |
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| Dax | Sep 2 2013, 02:49 PM Post #158 |
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Okay, watch this - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/26/breaking-bad-ricin-mashup_n_3819030.html And here's Sepinwall's explanation... maybe his will work better than the one I wrote... >> 1)In "End Times," to get Jesse back on his side in the war against Gus, Walt arranges for Huell to steal the cigarette pack with the ricin cigarette out of Jesse's pocket and replace it with a different pack. Saul calls Jesse to his office on shaky reasons, and Huell pats him down in a way that gets Jesse's attention. Walt doesn't use the ricin to poison Brock, but rather a lily of the valley plant that will have a similar but less dangerous effect on the boy. 2)When Jesse hears that Brock has been poisoned, he realizes that the ricin cigarette is missing, then (correctly) puts two and two together that Huell stole it, on Walt's orders. He storms into Walt's house and threatens to kill him for poisoning Brock; Walt convinces Jesse that it was Gus, not him, who wanted to hurt the boy — specifically so Jesse would come to this conclusion and murder Walt for him — and that Tyrus must have lifted the cigarettes from Jesse's locker at the Super Lab. Jesse accepts that Mr. White would never hurt a child, whereas Gus has a history of hurting children, and lets go of the theory about Huell. 3)Doctors later figure out that Brock was poisoned by a lily of the valley, not ricin, making Jesse doubt Walt's theory about Gus manipulating Jesse into shooting Walt, and leaving him to wonder what really happened to the ricin cigarette. Walt stages a phony search of Jesse's house and plants a fake cigarette (containing salt, not ricin) inside Jesse's Roomba. None of this sits well with Jesse, but he once again believes Mr. White. 4)Over the course of season 5, starting around the murder of Drew Sharp, Jesse has begun to realize that he shouldn't believe anything Walt says. Walt claims to be broken up over Drew's death, then whistles while he works. Walt claims that Mike left town alive, when Jesse knows that Walt would've never taken out Mike's guys unless Mike was dead. Walt gives Jesse a whole song and dance about how leaving town will be good for Jesse, when Jesse knows that it will be even better for Walt. 5)Having been primed to disbelieve any word out of Walt's mouth, Jesse goes to Saul's office, lights up a joint and gets scolded by Saul, who knows his relocation expert won't pick up anyone who's high. Saul orders Huell to again pick Jesse's pocket to get rid of the marijuana. 6)At the pick-up spot, a nervous Jesse reaches for his pot, and can't find it. He frantically checks all his pockets, but all he finds is a cigarette pack. Staring at the cigarette pack, and realizing Huell dipped into his pocket without him noticing, Jesse realizes that his first suspicions about the ricin cigarette were correct, and that Mr. White was manipulating him into turning against Gus, endangering Brock's life in the process. That the ricin wasn't actually used on Brock is beside the point. Jesse knew from the beginning that Huell had picked his pocket, and that he must have done it on Mr. White's orders. He has been thinking about this often in the months since it happened — far more often and more intensely than those of us watching the show have, and in a more compressed time period. When he realizes Huell picked his pocket, and stares at another crumpled cigarette pack, everything clicks into place about the events of "End Times" — including how convenient it was that this terrible thing happened to Brock, which turned Jesse back into Walt's ally, at the exact moment Walt needed an ally against Gus — and he goes on the warpath against Saul, Huell and that asshole Mr. White. You may disagree with whether Jesse would have put all the pieces together like that, but that's what happened. |
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| Krystal | Sep 2 2013, 03:18 PM Post #159 |
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OK, thanks for all of that. I know I try to look for every nuance in this show. I probably should watch it 2x. I have never watched a show after it ended, but I think I may buy the whole series and watch it altogether after it is done. I have never liked a show this much, and I think the complexities warrant that. It was very interesting being in Albuquerque and looking at some of the sites we see on the show. The people there are all excited and in to the show, sad it will be done. It put the city on the map. Actually, I like the city as it seems more of a real place with character, much more than the valley here. Kind of like Pittsburgh in the desert, and without the Steelers. |
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| Dax | Sep 2 2013, 03:28 PM Post #160 |
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I look forward to watching the whole thing again... 62 episodes is one of the 'shorter' of the series most worth seeing again... I have several friends that only recently started watching in the last few months, and are watching their first/last 'live' run, now... but their excitement as they were going through it would refuel mine... |
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| Gatekeeper | Sep 2 2013, 05:17 PM Post #161 |
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I've been watching this show with Ashley as she catches up and it's really helped refresh my memory. It's never dull. I also think it's fun to see her reaction. I know Ash will die when she sees the latest episode. Old Yeller and Jesse are her 2 favorite things and she's going to poop herself when she realizes Walt's going to have Jesse taken care of and the Old Yeller analogy. I was pissed at Skyer for wanting to have Jesse taken care of but I guess she wants to protect her family. I found it funny with the different hash tags on Twitter #TeamWalt #TeamHank etc. I'm just hoping Walt and Jesse can work things out. I know .... Fat chance. |
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| Dax | Sep 2 2013, 05:40 PM Post #162 |
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Yeah, I don't know where we're gonna end up, but I don't see Walt and Jesse being friendly again. That hug last week in the desert... that was 'the end' of the relationship as it was... |
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| Krystal | Sep 2 2013, 07:02 PM Post #163 |
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I really feel sorry for Jesse... |
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| bilki | Sep 2 2013, 07:55 PM Post #164 |
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The thing about Jesse is that he could have had a new identity and left town. The guy was sitting in his van right there in front of him! But, his need for revenge was much stronger. Then, he sits there with Hank and lists off the many reasons why Walt would be able to defeat him. So, in his mind he's fully aware of all the reasons why Walt can be such a dangerous enemy. But, he went back anyway. I'm not saying Jesse deserves to be "taken care of." Just that in some part of his mind he knew what he was walking into. Perhaps on some level even feels like it's his comeuppance for all that he's done. |
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| Dax | Sep 3 2013, 03:26 AM Post #165 |
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Yeah, I'm not even sure it's about revenge so much as... Mr. White can't keep getting away with it. He gets away with EVERYTHING... His guilt weighs too much on him to just leave. |
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| Gatekeeper | Sep 3 2013, 11:15 AM Post #166 |
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Agree and agree. I just feel so bad for him. Jesse seems to be on a suicide mission at this point. :( |
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| Dax | Sep 3 2013, 12:06 PM Post #167 |
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/breaking-bad-writer-rabid-dog-618853 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/01/dean-norris-deconstructs-breaking-bad-s-hank-schrader.html |
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| Dax | Sep 4 2013, 01:18 PM Post #168 |
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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2013/09/after-year-youve-had-glaring-flaw-breaking-bad-chronology/68987/ Yeah... it HAS been a very eventful year and change... |
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| Gatekeeper | Sep 4 2013, 06:35 PM Post #169 |
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LOL ... It has been a busy year. How can a show so dark make me so happy? I'm planning my LIFE around the next 4 episodes. |
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| Dax | Sep 5 2013, 06:02 PM Post #170 |
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http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/09/05/breaking-bad-story-lines/? |
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| Dax | Sep 5 2013, 09:42 PM Post #171 |
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Interview Magazine piece on ending a series, with Gilligan, Lindelof/Cuse, and Alan Ball... http://www.interviewmagazine.com/culture/exit-strategies/ |
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| Dax | Sep 7 2013, 12:10 AM Post #172 |
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http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/09/the-alternate-em-breaking-bad-em-universe-in-which-walters-house-burns-down/279349/ http://www.fastcocreate.com/3016518/better-chemistry-through-research-how-writers-make-breaking-bad-so-uncomfortably-real http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/09/06/breaking-bad-bryan-cranston-aaron-paul-most-challenging-scene/ |
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| bilki | Sep 8 2013, 09:58 PM Post #173 |
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Once Walt surrendered, I knew Todd and Co. were going to show up. Right??? What else could happen? That's not to say that I didn't have moments of doubt before Walt noticed them driving up. Funny to watch Hank in his moment of victory while knowing the call had been made to Uncle Jack. It really was going just as he probably dreamed of many times since he realized Walt is Heisenberg. The call to Marie made it all the more obvious that it was only a matter of time, and not very much time, before this didn't end well. A little disappointed that after all of that gunfire we didn't see any of them even grazed by a bullet. But, I do like the way they're leading us from one episode right to the next. If someone was watching this as a marathon, it would be very difficult to take a break between episodes. Assuming the next to last episode is the start of the Flash Forward, it seems like they have a lot of ground to cover next week. |
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| Dax | Sep 9 2013, 12:37 AM Post #174 |
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Wow. I did think Hank and Walt might have driven off, leaving Steve and Jesse alone for when Jack and his crew got there... Very exciting. Constant suspense. A win for Hank, yes. But victory is short... I'm thinking Hank and Steve are done. Fun having a Junior/Saul meeting, on top of last week's first Jesse/Marie scene... |
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| Gatekeeper | Sep 9 2013, 08:07 AM Post #175 |
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Just epic. I couldn't believe it. I also was SHOCKED when it ended because I wasn't keeping track of the time. 3 left. I had to double check that this morning and marked my calendar. I just can't figure out how this is going to end because of the Flash Forward and when they are going to 'jump' to that. We are watching it 'live' ... actually 15 minutes into it so we don't have to wait for commercials and we also go 'radio' silent. No internet because we don't want to be spoiled. So I knew something was up with Hanks phone call to Marie. I was thinking 'dude you are celebrating too early'. Still shocked though by Uncle Jack's showing up with so much fire power. It's funny because I'm rooting for Walt, Jesse and even Hank. I don't know how it can end with all 3 walking away but at the same time I don't want any of them to lose. Strange predicament I am in. |
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| Dax | Sep 9 2013, 02:21 PM Post #176 |
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http://www.vulture.com/2013/09/breaking-bad-writer-postmortem-tohajiilee.html - Title of #14 is Ozymandias. I've known and liked the poem since reading Watchmen as it was being published in the 80s... Ozymandias I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear -- "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.' Percy Bysshe Shelley |
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| Krystal | Sep 9 2013, 10:20 PM Post #177 |
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I have 2 saved and have not seen them. Trying not to read a lot either. I can't stand it, the hour goes by in a flash, and always has a cliffhanger. I am sorry I even watched the first 2 and didn't keep them all for a marathon. But I am definately going to watch the last 2 in one sitting. I think I will bank one more then watch 3 or 2 then watch the last ones together.... |
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| Aback | Sep 11 2013, 01:09 PM Post #178 |
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I've just caught up with the show. I mean I watched all 5 seasons in like 3 weeks I guess. It's been a glorious ride. I regret not getting into it before, however I enjoyed marathoning through it. Dax, thanks for the articles. I really ate them all up. I'm loving the writing team. If they had wanted, I could have gone there and scraped the floor for them just to be in the same room with them when they were creating all of this. Wow. |
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| Gatekeeper | Sep 11 2013, 05:12 PM Post #179 |
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Yay! http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/9/11/4720308/breaking-bad-prequel-series-better-call-saul-is-coming-to-amc |
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| Dax | Sep 11 2013, 06:26 PM Post #180 |
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Good. http://www.deadline.com/2013/09/breaking-bad-saul-goodman-spinoff-amc-series/ I had begun hoping for this more and more, the closer we got to 'the end'... I also became a little more positive that it WOULD happen, in recent weeks... Wise of AMC to pick it up, and interesting that it likely would have happened even if they had not... multiple interested parties - not surprising. Prequel. Okay. I'd kinda hoped a little more for a sequel (assuming Saul survives the next three episodes), but doing it this way opens up the 'cake and eat it, too' scenario if it's a success (I could picture the first season or two as a prequel... and then let's say Season 2 or 3 could conceivably take place as 'concurrent' with Seasons 2-5 of BB... eventually reaching 'aftermath'....) Very glad we're not saying a final goodbye to this world (or that character) in the next three weeks. - Rolling Stone with Lavell Crawford, who might also have a new job... http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/breaking-bad-q-a-lavell-crawford-comes-clean-on-huell-20130911 |
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