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| bilki | Jun 5 2011, 08:35 PM Post #181 |
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Ramona took a relatively mature approach to the start of that fight with Jill. Jill seemed to want to yell and argue, which is her usual mode of operation. Looked like Ramona wasn't in the mood for a screaming match but Jill took that as her not wanting to listen. How silly of Jill to think that Ramona kicking her out last season somehow played into Jill and Bethenny not repairing their friendship. Jill has no one to blame but herself for that. In a way, I think Bethenny getting involved with Jason also played a part. With Jason in her life, Bethenny didn't *need* Jill in the same way that she had before. I still miss Jill and Bethenny's friendship, though. It was probably the main reason I got invested in the show to begin with. I'd guess that Jill really misses her. Kelly is just about a snoozefest this season. I wonder if she's feeling self-conscious about what happened last season. I prefer the batshit crazy version of her to this one. |
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| jbrr1212 | Jun 6 2011, 01:43 PM Post #182 |
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I'm going on the theory that Kelly is on some really good meds this season. No way a person is that crazy and then a few months later is completely sane and normal without the use of drugs or unless she was faking the whole crazy bit for the cameras (which I doubt). The Jill/Ramona fight was sad. It really does seem that Jill is still messed up over the Bethenny fight. I miss their friendship but Jill needs to move on now she just seems like a clingy brat that didnt get her way. Cindy really needs to go theres not a single fun thing about her. I know not everyone watches the OC housewives but their finale was pretty good. That reunion should be fun. Did I hear right that NJ is now moving to Sundays? |
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| bilki | Jun 6 2011, 03:05 PM Post #183 |
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I haven't seen any promos for NJ moving to Sunday nights but it wouldn't surprise me if it does after the OC reunion shows end. Seems like they did that with ATL's last season. I caught the end of OC's finale and have to admit it was pretty good. Loved the Tamra/Jaenna fight, though I think Tamra deserved to be pushed in the pool. Also enjoyed Gretchen pointing out that she's been dealing with the same BS from Tamra while Tamra was standing there working sympathy for what just happened with Jaenna. Gretchen seized the opportunity to rain on Tamra's pity party and ran with it. |
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| jbrr1212 | Jun 6 2011, 03:23 PM Post #184 |
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I'm usually a Tamra fan but I loved when Gretchen rained on her pity party and ran with it. You could see Tamras lightbulb finally come on. I liked Jeanna way back in the beginning but she does always get in other peoples business. And her running home crying to Simon on the phone was hilarious. Alexis needs to go. |
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| bilki | Jun 6 2011, 04:57 PM Post #185 |
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Was that Peggy's party? The one she was bringing in celebrity chef Susan Feniger to cook for? I like Jaenna because she has a kind of cold and deliberate delivery when she speaks, while those OC barbies always resort to the high-pitched hysterics. It's like the bark of a big dog in the face of a bunch of yapping chihuahuas. With the way Jaenna went home and called Simon, I half wonder if she has a bit of a crush on him. |
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| jbrr1212 | Jun 9 2011, 01:36 AM Post #186 |
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I think Peggys party that Susan cooked for was the one a couple weeks ago that Alexis got all hysterical when Jim decided he "couldn't be around those people". It turned into an Alexis pity party and fueled the Alexis/Peggy drama. The finale party was Vickis party planned for the big award she got earlier on in the season i think. Strange though that she would choose to file just before a big party then not want to discuss it. |
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| cinnamongirl345 | Jun 10 2011, 05:04 AM Post #187 |
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I can't believe that it has taken Donn so long to leave Vicki. :bye1: She has clearly been married to her insurance job. He always stood beside Vicki when she would get into it with one of the girls and it seemed as though she just always led him around by the nose. Maybe he will hook-up with one of the other housewives like Slade.lol. |
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| jbrr1212 | Jun 10 2011, 01:27 PM Post #188 |
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Cant wait to hear what Don has to say during the reunion. He was kind of a jerk the first couple seasons but the last few he really seemed to be trying. She is so neurotic its no wonder he couldnt make her happy. Its interesting how many "housewives" have become single after doing the show. Slade is such a tool but I do kinda like him and gretchen. I like that she calls him out on his crap. I do still think hes nasty though lol loved his mom telling him to get a job. The NY ladies in Morocco were pretty tame. I was expecting lots of big fireworks and all we got were a few dud sparklers lol. Wonder whats up with Ramona/Mario. Maybe they just decided to edit it that way after the psychic said what she did but Mario sure seemed not to care to much about where she was when they showed him and Simon out. |
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| Cheryl | Jun 11 2011, 03:38 PM Post #189 |
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My goodness, you people have been busy in here lately! Sorry I have been AWOL but I gave notice at my new job three weeks ago, yesterday was my last day, and to say it's been anything less than stressful would be putting it mildly! Trying to train a new person AND dealing with the guilt trips being laid on me is not easy! The only good thing is that I haven't had a minute to worry or get nervous about starting a new job, which is good. But enough about me! :fryingpan: I think my hubby would have a serious heart attack if I added one more Housewives show to the mix. Dang it! The OC one finally sounds interesting to me especially with all of the todo about the hubbies. Are ya'll watching NJ? I still adore Caroline and her hubby and kids, especially those cutie-pie boys. :wub1: I would dearly love to :bitchslap: that little twit Ashley, Jacqueline's daughter. A more spoiled child I do not think I have ever seen. Jacquelin looks fabulous this year, BTW. That Kathy chick, the cousin(?) with the funny hubby with the funny glasses is growing on me a bit. She seems almost normal. Teresa's brother is a horny little horndog who thinks the world revolves around him. Ugh. Although his wife isn't much better, those two deserve each other. I did think the mechanical bull thing at Thanksgiving was kinda fun and wild. Teresa seems to be a shell of her former self. I still can't stand her hubby Joe Schmoe. Blech. |
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| bilki | Jun 13 2011, 07:40 PM Post #190 |
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While I'm not watching any of them with undivided attention, I am keeping an eye on all three. For as much as I love to hate Vicki, I was impressed by her taking responsibility for the breakup of her relationship with Don. And when she called Tamra's hot tub hijinks "beautiful", I wondered if maybe Vicki is hoping she'll get her own version of some young stud to rub her the right way. I was annoyed with the bickering between Tamra and Gretchen by the end of the hour. It seems like Tamra only responds to Gretchen with comments intended to continually antagonize her. Alexis is a flipping idiot!!! On NYC, the trip to Morroco paled in comparison to Ramona's renewal getaway from last season. Ramona and Jill's fight was probably the best part, especially with Ramona lying there on the bed sobbing, but it wasn't nearly as shocking as Kelly flipping her lid on Scary Island. There's definitely been some drama this season but Bethenny's absence is like a void that I don't think the show will recover from during this season. I wonder if the Bethenny haters are enjoying this season. Teresa and her brother both seem stubborn, petty and egocentric but I feel like he's a bigger crybaby than she is. Man up and solve the problem! And Melissa singing will only make me want to change the channel. Does every installment of this francise need a singer??? Ashley is a brat, yes. But I suspect Jacqueline had some hand in that happening. I don't know why but I was a little surprised by Chris and Albie's roommate. Edited by bilki, Jun 13 2011, 07:42 PM.
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| jbrr1212 | Jun 14 2011, 01:56 PM Post #191 |
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Vicki did handle herself well in part 1 of the reunion (havent seen pt. 2 yet) I think she said shes dating some friend of Eddies so I'm guessing she already found her young stud. I hope she finds whatever it is shes looking for. Gretchen/Tamra is getting very old. Really dont they have better things to do, than have the same argument for the 257th time. I cant even find the words to describe Alexis..... I agree about Bethenny not being there creates a void. Its like theres more wives but less substance now. I dont know about the Bethenny haters but I'm not enjoying this season near as much as the others. Dont even get me started on Melissas singing :run: I did feel bad for Gia (who I normally think is a raving brat) at her gymnastics meet, she was clearly looking for her uncle in the crowd and then he shows up when its over. He really does need to man up. |
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| bilki | Jun 20 2011, 11:06 PM Post #192 |
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Part 2 of OC's finale became almost unwatchable with Slade showing up and the bickering with Tamra continued. I did enjoy Jeanna popping in. She surprised me a little with her crying, but I thought maybe it was just for show. But then Andy and Vicki commented that she doesn't cry and I thought, "WOW! Maybe Tamra is pure evil!" Peggy telling Alexis that if Jim had something to say he should have the balls to show up and say it in person made me chuckle. NYC is barely holding my attention but I did like LuAnn getting up from the table and walking away from Alex. Again, Alex looked like a fool. Teresa and her brother are both idiots but I felt like she was at least trying at their sit down. Maybe it was just the editing. Did anyone see Teresa on the cover of In Touch Weekly? Some article about her husband, Joe, being charged with obtaining a false driver's license, and how Teresa is worried about what might happen to her family if he goes to prison, which could be up to 10 years. I spotted Danielle Staub in a preview for an upcoming VH1 series titled Famous Food. She's screaming in someone's face, of course. Surprised to see that Mob Wives is ending next Sunday. Seems like it just started. I haven't been following it the past couple weeks, but that finale looks like a Must See! |
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| Cheryl | Jun 21 2011, 11:49 AM Post #193 |
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NYC--Alex has taken over the Kelly Crazy Train role. I definitely agree that Bethenny is sorely missed. What? She has haters? Seriously, I didn't know that. LOL. What, are they nuts? NJ--Hubby walked in while I was watching the other day and made only one comment. It was about Teresa. He goes, "That one seems trashy." LOLOL!!! |
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| jbrr1212 | Jun 21 2011, 02:56 PM Post #194 |
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Watched bits and pieces of the part 2 OC reunion, it was pretty close to unwatchable. The Peggy/Alexis convo was the best part. Clearly Jim made Alexis look like a fool and she still stood up for him. What a dumbass! I think its almost getting to a point where Tamara or Gretchen will have to go. We all like a little drama but the constant rehashing and bickering between those 2 is not fun or entertaining anymore. I'm lukewarm on NYC this season too. Its like theres nobody to really root for. Seriously someone was dumb enough to put Danielle back on TV? I'll be skipping that one lol. Cant wait to see the sitdown with Teresa/Melissa hopefully its not as annoying as the sitdown with her brother. I didnt feel like either of them were trying to hard. It all seemed very awkward. I know the situation was awkward but still it felt put on a little bit. I hadnt heard about Joes drivers license drama but it doesnt surprise me at all. Hes so slimy I'm surprised theres not more dirt out there on him. LMAO @ Teresa being trashy. Last season she was over the top but this season she does seem a bit more on the trashy side. It does seem like Mob Wives had a short season but some of the VH1 shows are like that. The last couple weeks have been kinda boring, just Renee/Jr. back and forth and lots of setup for the finale. The previews look so good! |
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| jbrr1212 | Jun 27 2011, 03:01 PM Post #195 |
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News from the NYC reunion Holy catfight! The 'Real Housewives of New York' reunion special was taped last Wednesday at Capital in NYC and it was full of tears, laughter and betrayal but nothing was as interesting as one Real Housewife talking about the show in the past tense. "Cindy [Barshop] barely spoke at the taping," a cast member tells me, "And when she did talk about her time on the show it was in the past tense. She is definitely not coming back." Also buzzing around today is a new report by HollywoodLife that in addition to Cindy, original housewife Alex McCord will also not be around for a fifth season, but in an exclusive statement to PopEater, Alex rebuffs such claims. "If I had a dollar every time an 'inside source,' i.e. a cast member, leaked a 'story' that I was out of RHONY, I'd be a multi-millionairess!" Alex wrote to me. A spokesperson for Bravo released a statement, telling me "No decisions have been made regarding next season and everything at this point is rumor." The tradition of the 'Real Housewives' coming together at the end of each season to tape a reunion show has delivered HUGE ratings for Bravo. So much so that these tapings are often edited into at least two hours of TV and have recently even provided footage for a third. "They started taping at 9:00 a.m. and didn't finish until well past 7," an insider tells me. "The first few hours where everyone is on message is always thrown away and replaced by the more juicy stuff that occurs later in the day when everyone's getting tired and letting down their guard. This year Ramona and Jill go at it." After the taping, Ramona tweeted that it had been a wild day and that she "survived the reunion." The next day Alex McCord agreed, tweeting, "Intense day of filming yesterday for Real Housewives of New York." However, Jill Zarin, surprisingly seemed to have a great time, sharing, "OMG what a day," late Wednesday night. Two Housewives that were noticeably silent were Sonja Morgan, who is battling an ugly bankruptcy case, and the newest housewife member Cindy Barshop. "Sonja's struggles with her divorce and financial situation are just too delicious for Bravo to not invite her back," one insider tells me. "But it looks like Cindy already knows her Real Housewife days are over." http://www.popeater.com/2011/06/27/real-housewives-alex-mccord-cindy-barshop-bravo/?ncid=webmail4 Loved the NJ trip to the catskills. Its nice to see them all let down their guard and have some silly fun. WTH was up with that holiday dance thing? That was just weird! It was nice to see Dina on WWH, I didnt know she had a show on HGtv. I may have to check it out. I so wish she'd come back to the show. Mob Wives finale was INSANE! I wont say anything else in case you havent watched yet but WOW! Cant wait for that reunion. |
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| bilki | Jun 27 2011, 07:43 PM Post #196 |
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Can't say that I'm disappointed to hear Cindy won't be a part of NYC any longer. She really didn't bring anything fun or interesting to the show, not that I blame her completely. I'd say the producers are more at fault for casting her. They should have cast someone with a more dynamic personality if they thought they really needed another housewife, which I don't think they did. I'm really beginning to wonder if the producers of these shows even know what they're doing. Oh, and I wouldn't be disappointed if they dropped Alex, either! I was very happy to see Dina on WWH. She looked great! Sad to hear that she won't rejoin the show fulltime, but cool that she has her own show. Didn't know that she did. Well, I was a little disappointed in the Mob Wives finale. Don't get me wrong, that fight was a good one! But I felt little Karen was beating a dead horse with all the nonsense about Drita being "her girl". Get over it, already! Loved that Renee got caught in the middle of the fight. Too funny with her there on her back, feet in the air. Good thing she wore those shorts under that skirt! And I hated the point at which they ended the show....they were still yelling at each other! :wtf: I couldn't help but roll my eyes when Drita went on about being shocked that her guy was cheating. Don't all of those guys cheat??? |
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| jbrr1212 | Jun 28 2011, 01:42 PM Post #197 |
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Karen was beating the dead horse a bit but I loved the fight. I was LMAO at Renee being in the middle and Carla just sitting there doing nothing. I was also wondering why Drita was so surprised her man would cheat, it didnt surprise me at all LOL. I'm kinda dying to see what Lee looks like he must be something to get these 2 girls all riled up over him. I'm guessing we'll probably see a bit more of the final scenes during the reunion and see how it really ended. Bummed with the holiday we have to wait 2 weeks! I wont miss Cindy on NYC either. I think with her new babies and the weird situation with her babies daddy they thought she'd be more interesting but she wasnt. I never really minded Alex much until last season and this season I just cant deal with her at all. |
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| Cheryl | Jun 29 2011, 10:56 PM Post #198 |
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Buh-bye, Cindy. Don't let the door hit ya in the ass! :plzdie: Haven't seen the latest WWH yet, thrilled to hear that Dina is on it and actually has her own show? SHUT UP!!!! The last one I saw was with Ramona who had just finished taping the reunion show and seemed emotionally drained. OMG, Bilki--did you see that one? It was the one where Andy got the "Ba-Ba-Booey" phony phone call and was so thrilled since he is a Stern fan. I think he and Howard are actually friends. So freaking cool! |
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| bilki | Jun 29 2011, 11:19 PM Post #199 |
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Well look who it is!!! I just popped over here to say that I thought you, Cheryl, had abandoned us AGAIN! And here you are! I missed the Ramona WWH. Haven't been paying much attention on Thursday nights. I would have loved to hear the phoney phone call. :weeping: The NJ trip to the Catskills was entertaining. Was that Chris who poked Caroline in the back with the grilled lamb's head? That gave me a good laugh! Also thought the holiday dance thing was strange. |
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| bilki | Jul 25 2011, 11:45 PM Post #200 |
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I still wish we had a 'crickets chirping' smiley. It would get a lot of use! The first part of NYC's reunion was good. Lots of fighting and bickering. I thought it funny that they would argue over Andy speaking. Cindy said more than I expected after what was reported about her not saying much. I thought this was interesting--
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| jbrr1212 | Jul 26 2011, 01:21 PM Post #201 |
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The constant yelling over each other started to get a bit annoying by the end and part 2 looks even worse. I dont think Andy ever got a single question answered. He really needs to get a better handle on things or just go away and leave the ladies locked in a room to argue it out lol. I thought it was hysterical when Jill was talking about being scared of Bethenny. I did appreciate LuAnn agreeing that Kelly was out of line talking about Sonjas house and Cindy was wrong taking the conference call at breakfast (though I didnt think the phone call was that big of a deal it was kinda rude). Kelly musta forgot her crazy pills on reunion day cuz shes back to being a cocoa puff. Cindy didnt say much but it was more than I was expecting too. Alex looked strange. NPH was great on WWH. He was so up for trashing the women and playing Andys silly game. Enjoyed that more than the reunion. Thats interesting about the ratings/Bethenny. Though she was my favorite of the NY ladies I never thought she was the "star" of the show. I do miss her on RH but having them seperated gives me more of a chance to enjoy her solo on her show. NJ was pretty fun this week too with all the Christmas drama. Caroline was fierce throwing Kim G out of Melissas house. Felt bad for Chris as he really was stuck in the middle but he seemed to have it under control until everyone came outside. Loved Jacs hubby Chris calling in to the radio show, that was sweet. He really does seem to try hard with Ashley and shes just an obnoxious brat. I really kinda like Melissa, still not sure about Kathy. Caroline was also great on WWH. She seems to be not real keen on Teresa these days, though she had nice things to say about Joe which confused me. I think I read somewhere that Beverly Hills is shooting now so that should be the next to air if we're not having another DC season i think. Curious to see whos back and whos not. I know we have at least one newbie (Eddie Cibrians ex) so it should be interesting but they have big shoes to fill with drama queen Camille out. |
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| Cheryl | Jul 26 2011, 09:51 PM Post #202 |
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OMGoodness, I'm so far behind! Had a family reunion to go to this past weekend and the preparations as well as being gone for 4 days took its toll on my t.v. viewing! I think whoever wrote that article about Bethenny is an asshole and is purposefully trying to make her look like a beyotch. These days I don't believe anything unless I hear it straight from the horse's mouth. Don't be messin' with my Bethenny, Jason, and Brynn now! :violent: The latest WWH I saw was last night and was the one with Melissa and Joe Gorga from NJ and I must say that those two are growing on me. Even my hubby was cracking up at Joe doing every dare the audience gave him. Drinking his alcoholic drink (looked like vodka/cranberry with lime) from a baby bottle was freakin' hysterical! He reminded us of Goat Boy on SNL. :lmfao: Can't wait to catch up the rest of the way and see the NY reunion show! |
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| bilki | Jul 26 2011, 11:36 PM Post #203 |
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She's ALIVE! Most of what was written in that article about Bethenny was hearsay, but I enjoyed reading it, nonetheless. I doubt Bethenny was hoping RHONY would fail, as she has her own show, money and new family to keep her company. The thing with Kim G made me chuckle. I like Kim G. She causes trouble, and that's what I like to see when I watch these shows. I don't think she's as nefarious as Danielle could be, so I don't see what's so bad about her showing up at a party and causing a little trouble. Caroline kicking her out was fun to watch, but sometimes I think Caroline is too much of a Debby-Do-Gooder for the show. I wonder if they're almost finished taping BH. I would have thought they'd be done by now. Seems like the shows were almost a year old when they started airing last fall. So Camille won't be a part of the cast? That makes me sad. Maybe ATL will start by the end of the summer. I think they usually start late summer, though they got pushed back some last year. |
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| jbrr1212 | Jul 27 2011, 03:23 PM Post #204 |
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Kim G causing trouble is fun but its also nice to see the troublemaker find some trouble every once in awhile. I just wonder what the backstory is between Caroline/Kim I've always thought theres more to that story. And the way Al reacted to Kim at the party makes me think so even more. Caroline is a debby do gooder for sure but I think she brings a certain voice of reason to the show that I would miss if she was gone. I think they must have just finished BH taping because I just found this that says they are set to premier in Sept. http://www.toofab.com/2011/07/27/real-housewives-of-beverly-hills-season-two-promo-brandi-glanville-video/ I cant get the video to play but the article says Camille is back. I had heard before that she was leaving so it looks like it will be a full house of crazy in BH. Fun. |
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| bilki | Jul 27 2011, 04:54 PM Post #205 |
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Oh jbrr, thank you so much for posting that link! The video played for me using google chrome. LOOKS GOOD! Even Adrienne looks like she's getting in on the drama. I do like Caroline. She's a strong woman. I like her 'no bullshit' attitude. But sometimes she comes off as if she's above all the drama, but I guess that's part of what makes her Caroline. I certainly wouldn't want her to leave the show. Here's some interesting news--
realitytea.com I'm guessing we'll be seeing more of Kim G. Edited by bilki, Jul 27 2011, 05:17 PM.
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| Cheryl | Jul 27 2011, 10:19 PM Post #206 |
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Hey now.......who rattled YOUR chain? ;) OMG! Jbrr....you MUST find a computer and check out that promo! I'm ready for the season to start NOW!!! Holy cow, Taylor looks like she's losing it this season. And who was that new chick (Brandy?) that Kim was fighting with there at the end? Is that Cibrian's ex? If so, oh my! Good stuff is coming our way. I agree that sometimes Caroline can be a little preachy and do-goodyish but I love her anyway and she IS the voice of reason on that show. She always says what I am thinking. And I love her relationship with her hubby and her kids. And for God's sake, her sons are freaking HOT! Did I mention that? Especially Albie. Yummy. Joe Guidice is too gross for words. He's a pig. When I was standing in line at the grocery store the other day I saw a tabloid headline that said Teresa was preggers. There's no truth to that, is there? I didn't believe it but you never know. Please don't be mad at me for saying this but those two don't make the prettiest of children. I only speak the tooth!!! :scared: That old hag Kim G cracks me up. She's a troublemaker for sure! :violent: |
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| jbrr1212 | Jul 29 2011, 01:59 PM Post #207 |
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Finally got the video to play. Wow! Cant wait for the season to begin... Yep Brandi is Cibrians ex. The sneaky Cedric makes an appearance, hmm. Looks like it could be crazy good fun to watch. |
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| bilki | Jul 30 2011, 10:59 AM Post #208 |
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Yes, there are plenty of tasty morsels in that BH preview. I'm most intrigued by Adrienne saying something about Lisa stirring the pot. I wonder if they're purposely misleading us, or some kind of rift has developed between them. Also thought it funny that we see Taylor doing her "Enough, enough!" thing again. Has anyone seen that silly Andy Cohen doing his PSAs about celebrating each others differences? Isn't that a laugh considering the whole housewives franchise revolves around conflict. |
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| Cheryl | Jul 30 2011, 10:11 PM Post #209 |
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LOL, no I haven't seen it but I think you have a crush on "silly" Andy Cohen. You sure do diss him a lot! :slap: Okay, so I watched the NY reunion today. Good Lord, way too much fighting and yelling, I agree with you guys. Every one of them was annoying except maybe Luann. But especially Cindy and Kelly. Kelly as the voice of reason? I don't think so! I think she just got a little smarter this year and saved her "crazy" self for off camera! Does Sonya remind anyone else of a younger, blonde Barbra Streisand? I really like her. Also watched the last NY eppy with the two parties--Melissa and Teresa's. I don't think Melissa is as bad as Teresa makes her out to be. Caroline throwing Kim G out of Melissa's party was funny. I love, love, LOVE Chris, Jacquline's hubby and Caroline's brother. He never causes a lot of drama but always has such wise words. I don't blame him for not liking Ashley very much in spite of loving her because he raised her from the age of 5. She is absolutely unlikable and spoiled rotten. And those are the good things I can say about her! |
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| bilki | Jul 31 2011, 12:08 AM Post #210 |
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Oh you! I diss on that silly Andy Cohen because 90% of the time I think he's totally lame. Lame jokes, acting like the crappy prizes he gives away are cool is lame, and his interviewing style is often lame. I don't dislike him as much as I dislike Julie Chen but he runs a close second. All that said, I still enjoy Watch What Happens. I didn't mind all the bickering on part 1 of NY's reunion. I'd even say I enjoyed it, for the most part. Perhaps because they kept talking over that silly Andy. :bunny: Here's my thing about Ashley. Yes, I think she's a spoiled brat. But I don't think she got there all on her own. Maybe Jacqueline tried to buy her love, or maybe Jacqueline felt bad about separating from her father and overcompensated with material things. Maybe Chris had the money to buy her nice things and Ashley just started taking it for granted, I don't know. It just seems like Jacqueline and Chris had some part to play in Ashley being the rotten brat that she is. |
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