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| Gatekeeper | Sep 5 2009, 05:13 AM Post #31 |
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KMI, I agree with everything you said BUT -
Why the soft spot for Pete? is this an Connor/Angel thingie because I don't get it. I like Pete at all and am waiting for his world to come crashing down on him more. :firemad: I do like the part about Joan and Peggy owning the agency. Now that would be great! Edited by Gatekeeper, Sep 5 2009, 05:15 AM.
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| KMInfinity | Sep 5 2009, 08:58 AM Post #32 |
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No I don't think it's the Angel connection. I just think he tries SO HARD and he doesn't have a clue. His family was SO dysfunctional and it was clear he didn't have either a mother or father who gave him a scrap of affection. I see him as the anti-Don. Sure, Don had an awful childhood, but he overcame it. Maybe because he KNEW it was an awful childhood. Whereas Pete had what *looks* like a good home and he's trapped by family history and conventions and in fact had it worse than Don growing up. So what's worse? I see Pete, in the late 60's, finally realizing the pursuit of money and power will never bring him the love he missed as a child, reaching self-actualization, and becoming a hippie. Then he merges his talents and ideas, and creates one of those HUGHLY successful hippie businesses, like Earth Shoes or something. lol |
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| Gatekeeper | Sep 5 2009, 10:08 AM Post #33 |
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KMI, you have a great imagination and I think YOU should be writing for the show. I would love it if they could make me 'like' Pete. ^_^ |
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| blosslover | Sep 5 2009, 11:30 AM Post #34 |
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I love Mad Men, but I don't really take the time to discuss it because it is so rich and layered. Joan's husband hate that rapist, want him to pay. Feel sorry for Joan, don't understand why she had to play the accordion for his co-workers and spouses. I wonder if Peggy's new secretary Olive is like Peggy is in the story, and if she had been part of the later generation become a career woman. Most of the women in the pool at SC aren't married, so it is interesting that she is still working. Plus she is Catholic too as back then most people who went to Boston College were and her son attends that school. I think Roger still crushes on Joan. I wonder is Jane starving herself, sick or something else and it is just a red herring. What does everyone think of the whole Cosgrove/Campbell head of accounts fight? BL (who wants to rewatch season 2 on DVD, and wishes there was a listing on them saying who does the commentaries, I have to go looking for that soon.) |
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| Dax | Sep 6 2009, 01:25 PM Post #35 |
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bl -- From the dvdtalk review -- >> In terms of bonus content, the producers are thoughtful here, as well, and really give us a lot of extra material that ties in with the show. You may find them overly generous, though, depending on your opinion about audio commentaries. Personally, I think two commentary tracks for each of the 13 episodes here is overkill, and I found it a tedious task to slog through them all. Such a copious helping of explanation leaves no stone unturned in terms of what has gone into the making of Mad Men: Season 2 and what it all means, and really, you need never think for yourself ever again, at least as far as this show is concerned. What happened to mystery? What happened to figuring it out ourselves? Does no one remember the dangers of always peeking behind the curtain? Apparently not, so let's have it all explained! There is a basic split between the two tracks. The first audio commentary features series creator Matthew Weiner, by himself on episode 3 and joined by someone else on the rest of them (the exception being episode 5, which doesn't feature Weiner at all, and the first commentary is taken over by the director and the writer). Weiner is particularly invested in the show, and so he is able to really get into the nooks and crannies and talk about what is going on. He is of equal quality sharing a rapport with an actor (such as Jon Hamm on episode 2, or Elisabeth Moss on the finale), as he is with other members of the crew. Spending time with post-production team members on episode 12, costume designer Janie Bryant on episode 6 (the "Maidenform" episode), or musical composer David Carbonara on episode 11 offer welcome turns into different territory and help keep his tracks from growing stale. More help could have maybe been given to the second set of commentaries, which are largely actor populated, but also involve various production team members, such as the writer and/or director of the specific episodes. These tracks work best when actors are chosen for a particular installment based on their importance to the episode, such as the conversation between Rich Sommer, Melinda McGraw, and director Lesli Linka Glatter on episode 3, which features Sommer's character Harry making his bid for the television department and introduces Bobbie Barrett for the first time. Other actor commentaries, such as episode 10 with Jon Hamm, January Jones, and Vincent Kartheiser, or episode 9 with John Slattery and Joel Murray, don't really go anywhere, proving you can lead a man to a microphone but you can't make him speak. Attempts to shake up the formula often don't even work. A noteworthy blown opportunity is episode 7, where advertising consultant Bob Levinson sits down with Bryan Batt, the actor who plays Salvatore Romano, to go over the episode where Salvatore starts to become involved with Cosgrove and the office becomes obsessed with Cooper's Rothko painting. You'd think that the advertising consultant might shed some light on the innerworkings of the business; yet, when we peek in on a business meeting with the Smiths, Levinson doesn't delve into what they are talking about, instead he enthuses about the painted backdrop. Your mileage will vary, obviously, depending on how much you like this sort of thing. I am clearly cranky about it, and so pay attention to me as much as you would any crank. For a detailed guide to the commentaries, I can do no better than what my colleague Adam Tyner did in his Blu-Ray review, and so I point you to there. Scroll down to the handy episode-by-episode chart he created. I will second his recommendation of the Robert Morse and Christina Hendricks commentary on the penultimate episode. It's lively and informative. Though, if I were Hendricks, I'd have spent most of it asking Morse about The Loved One. - # - title - Commentary #1 - Commentary #2 1. For Those Who Think Young - Matthew Weiner (creator) - Jon Hamm (Don Draper) and January Jones (Betty Draper) 2. Flight 1 - Matthew Weiner and Jon Hamm - Lisa Albert (writer) and Vincent Kartheiser (Pete Campbell) 3. The Benefactor - Matthew Weiner - Lesli Linka Glatter (director), Melinda McGraw (Bobbie Barrett), and Rich Sommer (Harry Crane) 4. Three Sundays - Matthew Weiner and Maria & André Jacquemetton (writers) - Elisabeth Moss (Peggy Olson) and Colin Hanks (Father Gill) 5. The New Girl - Jennifer Getzinger (director) and Robin Veith (writer) - Jon Hamm, Elisabeth Moss, and Melinda McGraw 6. Maidenform - Matthew Weiner and Janie Bryant (costume designer) - Phil Abraham (director) and Mark Moses (Duck Phillips) 7. The Gold Violin - Matthew Weiner and January Jones - Bob Levinson (advertising consultant) and Bryan Batt (Salvatore Romano) 8. A Night to Remember - Matthew Weiner and Robin Veith - Lesli Linka Glatter and January Jones 9. Six Month Leave - Matthew Weiner and Michael Uppendahl (director) - John Slattery (Roger Sterling) and Joel Murray (Freddy Rumsen) 10. The Inheritance - Matthew Weiner and Lisa Albert - Jon Hamm, January Jones, and Vincent Kartheiser 11. The Jet Set - Matthew Weiner, Phil Abraham, and David Carbonara (composer) - Scott Hornbacher (executive producer), Dan Bishop (production designer), and Amy Wells (set decorator) 12. The Mountain King - Matthew Weiner, Blake McCormick (post-production supervisor), and Jason George (sound effects supervisor) - Christina Hendricks (Joan Holloway) and Robert Morse (Bert Cooper) 13. Meditations in an Emergency - Matthew Weiner and Elizabeth Moss - Kater Gordon (writing assistant), Elisabeth Moss, and Vincent Kartheiser |
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| Krystal | Sep 10 2009, 11:59 PM Post #36 |
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The show just slowly hooks you in farther and farther each week. I loved the glimpse at Peggy's home life, her miserable mother guilting her out for wanting a place of her own. Also loved Joan giving her some woman to woman advice. I feel sorry for Sal's wife. Do you think she was getting a feeling when he was dancing around? |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 11 2009, 05:10 AM Post #37 |
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How would you describe the show? Drama / comedy ? I'm thinking aboiut trying it. |
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| Gatekeeper | Sep 11 2009, 09:49 AM Post #38 |
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Really good soapy drama. :) I think you'd like it Shelle. |
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| Krystal | Sep 11 2009, 03:46 PM Post #39 |
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There is a lot of drama and also some low key dark humor that is so subtle some will miss it. |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 11 2009, 05:30 PM Post #40 |
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We'll give it a try this weekend, I'll let you know :) |
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| Dax | Sep 12 2009, 01:46 AM Post #41 |
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shelle - Rent Season 1. I don't think it's an easy jump-in, several episodes into Season 3. It is excellent drama. Also a period piece, and multi-layered character study(ies)... there's comedy, and it's very funny... there's mystery... Storytelling style- if you loved The Sopranos, you will in all probability love this, too. |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 12 2009, 02:38 AM Post #42 |
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Dax, don't worry. I wouldn't start in the middle. I've got the first season ready now. Btw the reason I got interested is that I saw a promo where I recognized Zoe from the West Wing and I got curious. Also, I really like retro. Edited by shelle_cr, Sep 12 2009, 02:39 AM.
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| Dax | Sep 12 2009, 11:10 AM Post #43 |
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She (Elisabeth Moss) is SO good as the show's female lead (she's that, more than the male lead's wife is). And yeah, knowing her as good girl Zoey Bartlet for all those years - and then the turn she did as the really BAD girl on ABC's one-season show Invasion... you'll love her here. You're in for a real treat, marathoning two and a half seasons of Mad Men... |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 12 2009, 12:33 PM Post #44 |
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We'll see how much a marathon it would be. The hubby doesn't seem to be interested. But once X factor ends tonight, I'll force him to sit the pilot with me :) Also, I'm still checking the complete WW on our HMV and cannot decide. Complete Friends are for the similar price, so it's really hard for me to choose. Not to mention complete X files my friend wants to sell for a really reasonable price. |
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| Dax | Sep 12 2009, 12:46 PM Post #45 |
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Someday, I'll probably bite on a Complete X-Files... shame the last set went out-of-print so fast... you can still get it, of course, but deep discounters like Amazon and Deep Discount don't have new copies any more... I'm sure Fox will put out ANOTHER set somewhere down the line (and include the second movie... wouldn't mind The Lone Gunmen being in the same box, too...). |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 12 2009, 02:56 PM Post #46 |
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We've got in at HMV for 70 pounds now and I think I can get the used ones for about 50 something. It's from a friend of mine, so I know it's in a good shape. I'm excited just thinking about having it one day :) I love looking at my DVDs a lot. Signing out to finally see the pilot. |
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| Krystal | Sep 12 2009, 03:07 PM Post #47 |
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Another example of Betty's bad parenting was the way she ignored the kids grief at the loss of their Grandad. Don is a better Dad thena she a Mom, although Dads in those days really were expected to goout and bring home the paycheck, not take much of a role in their children's lives. Don is truly the male lead in the show, but Peggy is the female lead for sure. And Moss is brilliant in the role. |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 12 2009, 04:56 PM Post #48 |
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I loved it. Both 101 and 102. Not so much my hubby, so it looks like a marathon. I'll join you soon in discussing the thrid season. |
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| Cheryl | Sep 12 2009, 09:19 PM Post #49 |
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I think she absolutely knew......she'd be an idiot not too. Poor Sal was VERY gay in that scene! :P Jana--Elisabeth Moss (Peggy) is one of my fave female characters. Especially this season. You just never know what to expect out of that girl.....she is very complex. And smart! |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 13 2009, 08:03 AM Post #50 |
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About to watch 107. Of course now, few episodes later, the hubby glances with me from tiem to time and asks questions to disturb me. How do you like that everyone smokes there? It really bothers me. Especially the women cooking or taking care of the kids, with a cigarette all the time. Btw I finally get why everyone was so excited about Victor on DH. I like him as Roger but I did hate Victor a lot. |
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| Cheryl | Sep 13 2009, 09:44 AM Post #51 |
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It gets worse with the smoking, especially with the women......just you wait. But that is how it was in those days. The dangers of smoking weren't that well known or out there and almost everyone smoked. And you were allowed to smoke anywhere.....people didn't care. My dad used to smoke in the house (my mom occasionally too) and we didn't think a thing of it. Now, I'm aghast when I hear of smoking inside their houses when they have children. Such a different era back in the 60's!
That's funny! Yeah, I guess if you didn't know him as Roger first, you would hate him even more. Victor sucked........Roger is fabulous......love him! Jana--it sounds like your hubby may be coming around. Didn't that happen to someone else here? Or was it you with another show you watched? |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 13 2009, 11:00 AM Post #52 |
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Cheryl, he's always like that. He says he's not that into it, but whenever he's around I watch something, he asks all kind of questions :) |
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| Krystal | Sep 13 2009, 12:47 PM Post #53 |
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Smoking was done everywhere and by everyone. I was lucky my parents did not smoke, but all of my other relatives did and when they'd come over the place was totally fogged in. Wait till you see the pregnant women smoking and drinking, and that was par too. I recall my aunt smoking away martini in hand while she was pregnant with all 4 of her kids. Two of them have had cancer before the age of 50 and one is not going to make it. One wonders if there is a relationship. Also love the kisd standing up in the back seat ofthe cars, no seat belts. But then cars were made like tanks, still wouldn't stop you from becoming a kid missle if you were hit. |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 13 2009, 02:22 PM Post #54 |
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I always knew people smoked more before, but watching this still shocks me. Apart from the smoking, it's killing me to see all the husbands cheating :( Which reminds me, in the first eppy when Paul "visits" Penny, have they known each other before her first day there? Have I missed something? And why does she like him? He's sleazy. Don, I would understand. Roger as well. But Paul? My husband asked the same question and all I could come up was the age factor. Speaking of Don - WOOOOOOW. So sexy. I love that all the men wear ties and everything. And Betsy's dresses are always so cute. I really love how the whole show is done. It looks so accurate. |
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| Cheryl | Sep 13 2009, 03:59 PM Post #55 |
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Hahaha.....Don is a hottie, for sure. That's why he gets away with a lot of stuff without me hatin' on him. I don't even remember the first eppy so can't help you out there......sorry. |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 13 2009, 04:39 PM Post #56 |
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112 - I hate Paul. He stole the package for Don. I have a feeling he's going to blackamil him to give him the post. I hate him. I hope Roger is not leaving for good after the heart attack. |
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| Dax | Sep 15 2009, 08:59 AM Post #57 |
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Not Paul... Pete. And not Penny... Peggy. |
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| Krystal | Sep 15 2009, 09:40 AM Post #58 |
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OK, so how did everyone like the birth? Out goes Dad, no news till the kid is there, and mom gets the drugs (maybe not so bad!). "Are you going to breastfeed? NO". How much you wanna bet Don does it with the teacher? |
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| shelle_cr | Sep 15 2009, 01:07 PM Post #59 |
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Sorry Dax :0 Penny was a typo. With Paul / Pete, for some unknown reasons I think he's Paul. That's why it surprises me that much that everyone keeps calling him Pete or Peter :) Just started 202. The finale was interesting, especially Peggy's pregnancy. I noticed she didn't look as slim as the other girls but I thought it was because of the way she dressed. Maybe it was and there was no creative intention to make her look like that. What surprised me most was when she gave birth. When the doctor said she was pregnant I had no idea how far she was. As for Pete, when he told the boss about Don / Dick, I just loved "Who cares?" so much. I'm glad it's over for now. I guess they'll get back to it one day for Betsy to find out but it's good that it's not hanging there with Pete knowing and blackmailing Don. I really like this show a lot. It's slow and I really like that about it. I despise the smoking and cheating a lot, but I enjoy the show itself. I cannot wait to catch up with you and discuss it real time. Hopefully before this season ends :) Oh, Peggy kept the baby, I'm glad. Though she's an "auntie", it is still good she didn't give it away as I thought after the finale. Edited by shelle_cr, Sep 15 2009, 03:57 PM.
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| shelle_cr | Sep 15 2009, 04:03 PM Post #60 |
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Also, I don't like Duck. I feel he's bad news. I blame the actor :) Being the creepy Paul on DH, no one can expect me to accept him as a nice guy. |
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