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| UFO's and the Paranormal; lets talk about weird stuff | |
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| Topic Started: August 25, 2008, 9:38 pm (991 Views) | |
| LightSlayer | August 25, 2008, 9:38 pm Post #1 |
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So with in the last couple of weeks a buddy of mine at work got me hooked on a late night radio show called Coast to Coast AM with George Noory. Its all about the paranormal stuff going on in our world, ghosts, UFO's, psychics, ect. He has guests on every day that have some 'expertiese' on the topics of the night. So I thought why not share this debate here. Now I'm not sure about UFO's being alien life come to earth, but I do believe something is out there in the skies, be it Government, aliens, or a natural occurrence. What do you guys and gals think? Are we alone? Is it a big Government cover up? Or are we just seeing things in the sky? Or don't even stay on the UFO topic if you have had an experience with a ghost, psychic, or other paranormal happening tell us lets talk. |
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| John Aversin | August 26, 2008, 1:06 am Post #2 |
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Wow. What a can of worms. First, just let me say that I've listened to that show before and George Noory is kind of cooky. That being said, I do believe in aliens, ghosts/spirits, and stuff like that...though not that all claimed experiences are real or anything like that. In my opinion, the universe is so big that it is statistically improbable for Earth to contain the only life out there. That means that life practically has to exist out there, though it doesn't necessarily have to be sentient, or remotely as advanced as Earth. But given that Earth is rather young compared to the rest of out solar system, it would make just as much sense that alien species could be sentient and at our level, or past it, in technology and evolution. Even if all we discover in the distant future is algae planets and simple forms of bacteria or even just fish or something....there's gotta be something out there. As far as UFO's being seen...I'm inclined to think that government in general takes it upon itself to decide what people need to know, all for our own best interest. Some governments are better about it, some are worse than others. Still, with that amount of cynicism, its easy for me to believe in government cover-ups. Now, that doesn't mean I think Stargate Command is under a mountain in Colorado, or something like what happens in Men in Black. It does mean, however, that the government either knows very little, or they know a lot and what they know is bad. If they know very little, they don't want to let the cat out of the bag until they can appear still 'in control', etc... If they know a lot and its bad, they just don't want mass hysteria or any undermining of their own power. I can even buy into the Roswell crash and the cover-up at Area 51 going back to the 50's. It's not that big of a stretch. But I do think a lot of the UFO's people see are also test projects for new weapons and stuff....not weather balloons, though. Just my opinon. |
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| Silverwing Wolf | August 26, 2008, 4:27 am Post #3 |
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Ive had an experiance with a poltergist, it sceard me but they can only have power if you belive in them, heh one day I was watching a ghoast clip thing on Youtube and had the Ghostbusters theam playing...it made it less scaery. Aliens would more likely do recon on us befor anything else, but they will see we are still too primitive to contact the clubs have been changed to guns and missiles but we are still primitive. And if aliens DID land and contact us....why would the goverment cover it up? I know some poeple would be scared of them, some would be threatend but many would be courious of why this visitor would travle all that way just to see us, could they help us evolve? could they help us benifit our selves? Not all aliens would wish our destruction, it would be ponitless to send a couple of ships to attack this backwater planet, we can do that our selves. Im sure we are not the ONLY planet with life. Some day they will come, but only when mankind has stoped trying to kill its self and use its wealth and technolagies to rebuild and help out, only then would we be consided worthy for first contact |
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| Roadbuster | August 26, 2008, 9:19 am Post #4 |
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yeah, that's basically what I hear. now, as far as Aliens: Yes and No. Do I think there's some massive coverup? No. Do I think there's records of unexplained things? Yes. Do I think there's aliens? Yes. Do I think they give a rats arse about us and are abducting our rednecks to do anal probes? No. Have I seen anything I can't explain. Yes. And granted I'm from the Gulf Coast area (as is JA) but what I saw was out kinda past nine mile road. With another friend in the car. We saw lights up in the sky when I was driving him home. They lined up, then formed a circle, then flew off. They were there for some seconds, it wasn't an instantaneous thing. We've grown up around a Naval Airstation and have seen all kinds of normal craft. We didn't know wtf that was. Ghost: different thing altogether. Do I believe? Certainly. In fact, and this is what cracks me up, religiously we're TOLD that there are such things out there in our faith (Christianity and in particular the Catholic faith) Unfortunately, I've had no personal 'ghostly' experiences, which really bums me actually. What are ghosts (as in paranormal ghost sightings)? Leftover energies from the spirits, impressions left on the world, and sometimes actual spirits that haven't moved on. Yeah, I'll buy all that. I love watchin Ghost Hunters. Hate Ghost Hunters International. and like laughing at the sillyness of most other 'paranormal' shows (various ghost specials on the travel channel, that british predecessor of Ghost Hunters...) they're all pretty silly. Edited by Roadbuster, August 26, 2008, 9:19 am.
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| GC Rust | August 26, 2008, 3:09 pm Post #5 |
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Indeed. Ghost Hunters is probably the only Paranormal Investigative show to handle things like an investigation and is very professional and scientific. And I'm right there with you disliking GHI. Take the worst cast members from Ghost Hunters, throw em in Europe/Africa primarily, then have these excitable kooks claims up and down things are haunted based solely on personal experiences. I'm a firm believer in Ghosts, Spirits, and Paranormal Entities, but even I don't take things at face value. I believe my house contained (I use past tense because they've been quiet for several months now) two spirits, but I have no documentable proof of this claim. I've conversed with and been seduced by demons, been backed up by angels, gained and encountered Guardian Spirits, and to quote Winston off "Ghostbusters": "Seen sh** that will turn you white." But I don't begrudge anyone who is a skeptic or looks at me like I've gone loony. I have no proof to any of it. As for Aliens - of course I believe in extraterrestrial life. Do I believe it's contacted Humanity? All I can say to that is: Why? What would that species have to gain by contacting us? Humans have a annoying superiority complex in this regard. For all we know, they've come to continue diplomatic relations with Crocodiles or Dolphins.
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| Roadbuster | August 26, 2008, 4:13 pm Post #6 |
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EXACTLY!! Everyone I've talked to feels the same slaggin' way! Well, at least GH is back... I think next Wednesday. |
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| Blue Phoenix | August 26, 2008, 5:38 pm Post #7 |
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i've had a few experiences with spirit(s) of some kind. the house i grew up in was a hundred years old. being upstairs was spooky (that's where i slept; my parents slept downstairs) and others who came to my house saw... something. i'm just glad it didn't follow me when i moved out. aliens? well... it would be extremely pompous of us to think we had the entire universe to ourselves. with all the cell phone usage we have nowadays, and all the gadgets and gizmos that people have, how come we're not seeing more images of UFOs and such? |
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| John Aversin | August 27, 2008, 8:01 am Post #8 |
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My personal thoughts on aliens, or at least the more defined ones than I put up here earlier, are following. Incidentally, this is always a theme I wanted to work into some sort of fiction story. There are forces out there that can't be seen, like the earth's magnetic field for instance. We know its there, we can measure it, but it isn't tangible. And a hundred years ago (maybe more, maybe less), we had no inkling of an iron core with a magnetic field and what that did for our planet. My theory is that there is yet another type of energy field out there. It isn't eminating from the planet, and it isn't something we even know to look for yet, let alone how to look for. This field, however, acts in the universe as an area of interference for whatever more sophisticated aliens use as a power source. Think of trying to run a jet engine in a non-oxygenated environment....I'm no engineer, but I don't think that would work. The same goes for the slice of space we live in. It either has something, or possible is lacking something, in the form of an energized-area that keeps us from being contacted. That original idea was really outa the blue, but it almost made sense to me later. It would explain, if superior aliens exist, why they haven't made contact. It would also explain why, when they do try to make contact, it either fails and they crash (Roswell), or they show up briefly, realize the problem and then get the hell outa Dodge. It might also explain why we are still technologically behind, if because of this energy field, or its lack, we can't harness the type of energy needed to go all Star Trek. It's a rough theory, I'll admit. But it might be true and, even if it isn't, it sure would fit nice for a sci-fi story. Cos the day it clears up, or expands to us, we're gonna be really thrown into the mix. |
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| Blue Phoenix | August 27, 2008, 8:48 am Post #9 |
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Extrapolating on that 'fact'... if we are being held back as a species in one area, the unique characteristics of humans would cause us to excellerate in some other area, either physical or mental, to give us something all other races lack? And does that make us a threat or something to exploit? that could be a great book, and your theory at this point could lead you anywhere your imagination desires! |
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| Roadbuster | August 27, 2008, 9:35 am Post #10 |
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Well, technologically, we're not that behind for our current pace of technological evolution. Plus, if you need a reason they haven't contacted us... why haven't you talked to an ant recently? Granted, there are a few that may try, but the point is that the bulk of our civilization would find such an excercise a little pointless and silly, since ants probably have very little to say that would truly prove interesting to us. Same method can be applied to a species that has developed any type of travel and technology that could span stars in a single lifetime. As much as our Sci Fi films seem to think we'll master this quickly, it's not likely. |
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| LightSlayer | August 27, 2008, 2:36 pm Post #11 |
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I like the think that we have been visited, hell that we have even reverse engineered tech from a downed ship (Roswel). It helps to explain the sudden jump in our technology level in the last 60 years. It all seems to fast for me to be all human designed. |
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| Roadbuster | August 27, 2008, 2:50 pm Post #12 |
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I don't know.. we're pretty obnoxiously creative creatures. |
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| Blue Phoenix | August 27, 2008, 7:44 pm Post #13 |
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i agree with every word you said, Roady... i just don't put all those words together, usually. ![]() dunno, LS, there have been times in history when the world suddenly heated up, with music, machinery, politics, all sorts of things. couldn't we have done it on our own? |
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| LightSlayer | August 28, 2008, 4:44 am Post #14 |
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I'm not saying we couldn't have done it ourselves, I"m saying that as far as I know in all of our history we have never has such a quick leap in our tech level. It just seems fishy to me. Oh and after listening to last Thursdays ep of Coast to Coast I learned that NASA is run by space Nazi's from Mars
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| John Aversin | August 28, 2008, 7:24 am Post #15 |
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I agree, Lightslayer. We went from horse-travel to space travel in under a century. Maybe the miasma is thinning.
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| Roadbuster | August 28, 2008, 9:14 am Post #16 |
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*shrug* but from a civilized standpoint, great leaps begin to be made at certain points when a civilization is communicating more freely. The quicker our own methods of learning and communicating are, the more we can advance. |
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| LightSlayer | August 28, 2008, 9:57 pm Post #17 |
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Ok lets combine a little religion, mythology, and UFO theory. Their are many theories out there that the supernatural occurrences in the Bible are due to aliens. That they came to use to teach us and have us worship them. This theory transverses mythology from all lands, the Greek gods, Egyption god, ect. It also go so far as to say that the half breed creatures in the old myths are infact alien human hybrids. So what do you all think? |
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| Roadbuster | August 29, 2008, 9:28 am Post #18 |
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doubt it. And most of the half-breed creatures in mythology were likely due to man finding fossils and bones of other creatures and not quite understanding what they were. There was actually some program I watched that demonstrated some of it, showing how certain fossil leftovers could easily be misconstrued to be bizarre (moreso than Dinosuars were in the first place) animals. |
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| John Aversin | August 29, 2008, 11:02 am Post #19 |
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Possible, but I wouldn't take it as far as Stargate does. I say that even though I think the Stargate take was ingenious, and I'm a huge fan of the show. Still, it's hard to rule it out. The real problem I have with that is that it is generally fuel for those who wish to debunk religion. That, incidentally, was the only problem i had with the last couple seasons of SG-1. The overtone of the whole theme was that religion was bad, and science was good, and it's one or the other. Despite that, I liked the show. It certainly played up the bad side of religion, it just neglected the good, I think. |
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| Silverwing Wolf | August 29, 2008, 7:56 pm Post #20 |
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Funny thing on a TV chanel here called Monster Hunter where a team...American I think, anyway what they do is go ALL over the world to find out IF the mythical monsters like Big Foot, The Yeti Wolfman/boy I think that was a boy, to find out if they where real or just fakes. Never saw that show, but Its kinda like Ghost hunders always using a night camra and close ups of the peoples faces with them acting freeked out. Now do YOU guys belive these things are real? or just made up. Grady video footage, blurry at a distance photos and one persons account dosnt really make it real, but could it be possible that creatures like this do exist, and the reason we never see them is beacuse they are weary of us or affrade. If this team come to Scotland in search of Nessy I will watch it |
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