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Topic Started: 13 Mar 2012, 15:22 (1,939 Views)
Flint Flagon
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Robert Lower
Fr. Francis Domingez
13 Mar 2012, 16:32
Flint Flagon
13 Mar 2012, 16:30
Fr. Francis Domingez
13 Mar 2012, 16:26
Ok iwill try to be polite as it appears my previous comments may ofnot been picked up on. Markus is not the sole representative of the Plains, in the same way that Varis is not of the Broken Lands. It is fairer to choose by head of Organisation, than by individuals based upon origin or legend. Those outside of the organisations then elect someone to represent their views.
It's also by my reckoning, the only way you would be guaranteed a seat on this council?
You are saying that the Lord Varis should instantly be granted a seat, despite his own actions againstthe will of the council? No surprise from one of his whipping boys.
Well now I'm confused. Wouldn't your suggestion automatically grant him a seat anyway?
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Santiago
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[OOC] no as francis believes in a united athesia under Kiya, not a united athesia under Varis [/OOC]
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Aurzel
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If you do not have faith in more than half of the proposed elder council then perhaps you should look reassess your position as part of this council.

(ooc: damn lecture, be back in a few hours)
Edited by Aurzel, 13 Mar 2012, 16:39.
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Flint Flagon
13 Mar 2012, 16:38
Fr. Francis Domingez
13 Mar 2012, 16:32
Flint Flagon
13 Mar 2012, 16:30
Fr. Francis Domingez
13 Mar 2012, 16:26
Ok iwill try to be polite as it appears my previous comments may ofnot been picked up on. Markus is not the sole representative of the Plains, in the same way that Varis is not of the Broken Lands. It is fairer to choose by head of Organisation, than by individuals based upon origin or legend. Those outside of the organisations then elect someone to represent their views.
It's also by my reckoning, the only way you would be guaranteed a seat on this council?
You are saying that the Lord Varis should instantly be granted a seat, despite his own actions againstthe will of the council? No surprise from one of his whipping boys.
Well now I'm confused. Wouldn't your suggestion automatically grant him a seat anyway?
an equal seat where he alone speaks only for his organisation, not him speking for his organisation, his land, and as one of the lords which the current set up would suggest (irrespective of Asthvan being present there, Varis is too powerful a figure to not be taken as speaking for all the lords)
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Dargan Drosilan
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Declan Doyle
We return to the point where This is pointless, If your crimes are to be decided by this council of which there are several cases then you cannot have a seat. You are not a judge to your own actions.
Edited by Dargan Drosilan, 13 Mar 2012, 16:41.
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Aurzel
13 Mar 2012, 16:38
If you do not have faith in more than half of the proposed elder council then perhaps you should look reassess your position as part of this council.

(ooc: damn lecture, be back in a few hours)
You have missed my point, an elder council made of the heads of each organisation means that the power is balanced across all who it might affect. An elder council as Kel suggested swings the balance of power into the hands of just a few.
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Dargan Drosilan
13 Mar 2012, 16:40
We return to the point where This is pointless, If your crimes are to be decided by this council of which there are several cases then you cannot have a seat. You are not a judge to your own actions.
No but one of my organisation can go in my place. Afterall the proposal is that this council sits in judgement of all and decides other issues to prevent such arguments as have been seen. As such the fairest way is for every organisation to sit upon it, not merely those chosen by a handful of individuals.
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Flint Flagon
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Robert Lower
Fr. Francis Domingez
13 Mar 2012, 16:40
Flint Flagon
13 Mar 2012, 16:38
Fr. Francis Domingez
13 Mar 2012, 16:32
Flint Flagon
13 Mar 2012, 16:30
Fr. Francis Domingez
13 Mar 2012, 16:26
Ok iwill try to be polite as it appears my previous comments may ofnot been picked up on. Markus is not the sole representative of the Plains, in the same way that Varis is not of the Broken Lands. It is fairer to choose by head of Organisation, than by individuals based upon origin or legend. Those outside of the organisations then elect someone to represent their views.
It's also by my reckoning, the only way you would be guaranteed a seat on this council?
You are saying that the Lord Varis should instantly be granted a seat, despite his own actions againstthe will of the council? No surprise from one of his whipping boys.
Well now I'm confused. Wouldn't your suggestion automatically grant him a seat anyway?
an equal seat where he alone speaks only for his organisation, not him speking for his organisation, his land, and as one of the lords which the current set up would suggest (irrespective of Asthvan being present there, Varis is too powerful a figure to not be taken as speaking for all the lords)
Well then limit the amount of power. Either by legend, or by land. If both then you give one up and let some one else step up.

Oh and maybe the reason I'm loyal to Varis is because I feel he's done far more good for Athesia than bad.
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Dargan Drosilan
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Declan Doyle
It must be just a few this council is to be a council of criminal law not to overrule the rest of athesia. This is to determine whether members of the council as of now are worthy of that title.
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Fulgrim Ironheart

Varis speaks for all the lords? Hey Varis when have you ever spoken for me? I am mildly confused

In fact is varis a ventriloquist?
Edited by Fulgrim Ironheart, 13 Mar 2012, 16:49.
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