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Nefetiti and Akhenaten; A myth-story out of Egypt
Topic Started: Dec 27 2012, 01:02 AM (1,388 Views)
AmarnaGirl
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LOL - well certainly nothing fancy,just a Bachelor of Science degree,plus my travel agent certification. I've done quite a bit of traveling (both domestic and foreign),but I certainly don't have a Master's or Ph.D or anything like that,and I'm definitely no college professor,LOL. But yea, I tend to read WAY too much,LOL!

I think we might just have to (respectfully,of course) disagree with each other's interpretations.(When I asked for hard evidence - I meant as in academic proof,not just presenting you, yourself, personally. *chuckles* In what way was that supposed to be evidence? ) By all means,you can go to bat for Akhenaten and Nefertiti,if you wish - I'm certainly not telling you to do otherwise,I say go for it,LOL. I agree that there don't seem to be too many who do. Personally, I think they are still two very interesting people (I myself have a couple beautiful prints of the famous bust of Nefertiti - one on papyrus,and one a picture I took myself at the museum when I saw her bust in Germany. Also a lovely silver cartouche necklace of her name, which my husband bought for me.)

I am interested in both of them from an academic study point of view. (Though as I've said before, I'm quite fond of the Aten,in and of itself - but I don't see how you can have Atenism without its' main founder,and I'm just not ready to see Akhenaten in that good of a view yet. That's kinda like Christianity without Jesus - doesn't exactly work,LOL),but still, my appreciation of the Aten doesn't mean I condone much of what Akhenaten had done to his people. He wasn't a good king to his country,his people,or his allies. It's really that simple. He wasn't supposed to have been Pharaoh,it was supposed to have been his older brother. Akhenaten was thrown into a job he didn't want, wasn't prepared for,and wasn't interested in doing. He could have cared less about being the king of Egypt - the Amarna Letters,and other documents tell us that. (Which is generally not a good attitude to have when you actually ARE the king.) As a result,he unfortunately made a great many mistakes,and the enemies to go with it. He made a very good High Priest of Aten,but he was not a good Pharaoh.

I would dearly love to find some other positive aspects of Akhenaten (yes,I'm sure it's possible that he was a good and devoted father and husband,many men are,that doesn't always mean they're good in positions of authority or responsibility.) I'd be curious to know how you yourself can see Akhenaten so positively,in light of the historical evidence to the contrary. You are correct - there is a great deal of negative press regarding Akhenaten (unfortunately,much of it seems to be fairly accurate - Akhenaten brought it on himself.) This is because history and archaeology have not found a lot of good to say about him - quite the opposite. I know they say history is written by the victors,and that's often the case. History did everything it could to erase the Amarna Period. I used to hold Akhenaten in a much higher regard years ago,but then started to do more and more research,as I became more interested in the Amarna Period, and have since sadly discovered quite a bit that now has my opinion of him as a person, "on the fence",so to speak.
Edited by AmarnaGirl, Jan 27 2013, 11:00 PM.
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This is the possible connexion...the people who killed Akhenaten
were under the direct orders of Pharaoh Horem(heb) to kill Akhenaten.
These people would have been known in antiquity as the soldiers of
Horemheb who killed Akhenaten by crucifixion? Those (*Heb)rewic
soldiers and others saw the glory and greatness of Akhenaten after he
had expired; whereupon they realised through their guilt that he had
been right all along. The families of those soldiers and fellow
Atenists gathered together in a mass exodus of their own...was their
destiny and route of travel toward Palestine? The exodus was for a
want of a place of their own to worship the maturity and kindness
(love) of the Aten. They wanted Akhenaten's words of wisdom to live
on forever, plus his spiritual writings (Psalm 104) which show the
love and the power of the Aten. The Hebrewic people wanted
Akhenaten's gift of love 'for' life as he had presented it to all
Egyptians and the Empire during his short pharaoic rule of 20 years.

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But this is only speculation and guesswork. It's a neat idea,sure,but there's no proof for it. It's all theory. We have no historical documentation or any kind of information at all on how Akhenaten died. Also,crucifixion was not a method of execution that was used in ancient Egypt. Horemheb wasn't Pharaoh himself until at least 15 years or so after Akhenaten's death. Where's the information that suggests Horemheb's armies/soldiers were the Hebrews/families of the Exodus? (or any exodus?) Assuming you're talking about the Jewish Exodus story - since there's no evidence whatsoever of an Atenist Exodus out of Egypt. (And the Hebrew situation itself is also in question now by many scholars,since there is no archaeological or historical evidence that shows an event of that scale ever took place.) And even if it did on a smaller scale,Akhenaten still wouldn't have been the Pharaoh of the Exodus. (He would have to have been alive at the time of the Exodus,not dead. Plus, here again,the timelines don't add up. We've both posted on that before. In the Hebrew story,the Exodus Pharaoh is alive and still on the throne.) I remember reading that some people have tossed around the idea that the Exodus Pharaoh was possibly one of the Ramesses'. They all ruled after Akhenaten,since Moses himself lived after Akhenaten's time,and he was the one who supposedly led the people out of Egypt in the Exodus.

You're certainly not the first to try to tie in Akhenaten's rule/ideas with the Exodus story,but I'm sorry,the historical/archaeological timelines just don't line up in a way that would make this a true event. Atenism isn't one of the "Abrahamic" religions,it never was. No matter how hard people try to make it fit into the Judeo/Islamic/Christian theological box.
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Akhenaten and Nefertiti

Much SMEARING and DESTROYING of two of the greatest leaders/lovers in
ancient history was a must for the EVIL Amun priesthood. They were
the winners in the war against truth, towhich the Amun priesthood was
never going to let any upstart (pharaoh) destroy their livelyhood
again. Although as history approached the time of 'Alexander the
Great', they did have a few upstarts; but thats another story.

Freke and Gandy didn't connect the dots...they said the myth is out
of Egypt but they never identified the connexion; here it is.

The truth of love and devotion was put into a myth-fable, "Sleeping
Beauty" which came out of Egypt, through Greece, and presented itself
to you and I. "Sleeping Beauty" shows the glorification of these two
lovers; Akhenaten and Nefertiti. Freke and Gandy stated in one of
their recent books "Sleeping Beauty" is a myth out of Egypt via Greek
myths connected with their Egyptian past. Well, it dawned on me as I
was reading their description...it was how Nefertiti was put into a
trance in never-never-land by the EVIL Amun priesthood. The ordinary
people of ancient times new of this great couple of love and wisdom,
so it was carried in a myth for all to remember.

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