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| bendy | Jan 4 2012, 06:18 AM Post #1 |
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hey there everyone. I'm interested to know what devotees of the Aten believe or think about Homosexuality. I myself am gay and want to know if being homosexual is considered the same way as being heterosexual. |
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| bendy | Jan 26 2012, 10:27 AM Post #2 |
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anyone with any thoughts???? |
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| AmarnaGirl | Jan 26 2012, 10:34 AM Post #3 |
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From what I've read on the couple of Atenist websites I've seen,it's not a big deal. It's each person's own personal preference. That's what I got out of it,anyway. Hope that helps! |
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| Maaritaten | Apr 27 2013, 07:13 PM Post #4 |
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From what I can gather from ancient egyptian theological litterature, from Amarna and otherwise, the sexual orientation of an individual is of no interest to anybody but to that individual. Atenism could not be described as 'moralistic' religion in any sense - unless your view of Ma'at is kinda off.... |
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'Let me be satisfied seeing You, Oh Living Aten!' - adapted from the Hymn of Tutu, Chamberlain of the Two Lands | |
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| Belial | Mar 5 2014, 03:48 PM Post #5 |
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Sorry for my bad english, but here is some ideeas: Aten, ok the Sun God...ok ? well let us go, to the time of Hitler, Hitler wanted to bringe back Aten. He wanted to transform Berlin according to plans of the ancient city of Akhenaton, the ideeas of the Aten cult is: 1.God, 1.Religion, 1.Ruler of the Earth, 1.Language, etc...the sames ideeas of Hitler. You need to go deeper in the subject if you want to understand the philosophy of the Aten Cult. |
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| AmarnaGirl | Mar 9 2014, 01:57 PM Post #6 |
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What exactly does Hitler have to do with Akhenaten and the Aten? I think it's safe to say Hitler was not interested in "bringing back Aten" if he even knew anything about Aten at all. Hitler was a racial supremacist, genocidal criminal,and general all-around loony-bird fruitcake. I don't see these same qualities showing themselves in Akhenaten and his actions (though Akhenaten may have been a bit of a megalomaniac,we can't say for sure. We so far have no evidence whatsoever that he wanted to intentionally exterminate an entire group of people,plus invade every single country that bordered his own.) It is also safe to say Hitler didn't want to transform Berlin according to Akhenaten's city plans; Hitler wanted to transform Berlin according to Hitler. History also shows Hitler (although raised a Catholic) was quite skeptical of religion in general by the time he took office; it simply wasn't a major theme for him. What he was interested in was the "purity" of the German people,racial superiority, and extermination of the Jewish people (which I find ironic,since if you study history,you will find that Hitler himself had some Jewish blood in his family line.)etc,etc. If you are saying the ideas of the Aten cult are the same as the ideas of Hitler (and I strongly disagree with you on this),then you are in effect saying Akhenaten and Hitler were the same. Which of course,they weren't. They were not the same kind of person, nor did they have similar practices to carry out their ideas. What are your sources for saying Hitler wanted to bring back Aten,transform Berlin according to Akhenaten,and that Hitler's ideas were the same as the Aten cult? Says who? These two men are as completely different in their ideas,beliefs,and practices as two people could be. I do not see similarities between the two. (except possibly the shared megalomania,I'll grant that one) In fact,the ONLY thing that links Hitler to Akhenaten is the fact that the famous bust of Nefertiti was listed as one of Hitler's favorite art pieces,and so was safely hidden during WWII,because Hitler refused to let the sculpture out of Germany. Edited by AmarnaGirl, Mar 10 2014, 03:24 PM.
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| Maaritaten | Apr 5 2014, 12:54 PM Post #7 |
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Oh my, oh my... |
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'Let me be satisfied seeing You, Oh Living Aten!' - adapted from the Hymn of Tutu, Chamberlain of the Two Lands | |
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| Ankhemmaat | Mar 26 2016, 03:35 PM Post #8 |
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Not to sound like the bad guy, but historically the Egyptians frowned on being gay. However, I have never understood why being LGBTQIAPN+ has anything to do with or why god would care about who you love. I think any god that isn't a god of war, violence and genocide, would be more appalled by the crimes committed in their name, rather than acts out of kindness and love. So this is truly an area where Atenism can be improved upon from ancient times. Belial, where do you come off comparing Ankenaton and Atenism with Hitler, or even trying to claim Hitler knew anything about Atenism! Hitler was a genocidal maniac, he had no care for religion, he had no regard for human life and he certainly couldn't care less about Ankenaton! Nor do I see how your remarks have anything to do with the question posed by bendy. |
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| Pharaoh | Mar 31 2016, 10:59 PM Post #9 |
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Aten forgives everyone, and Pharaoh pardons presumably everyone, so it shouldn't matter if you're homosexual, even if it is a sin. However, there is spiritual glory found in abiding by the law of righteousness, and homosexuality has for a very long time been considered a sin. So if you're homosexual, you're still going to be alright in the Afterlife, but you won't have the glory of lawfully abiding in the light of God. In other words, homosexuality is a sin, but since all sin is forgiven, go right ahead.
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| Maaritaten | Oct 26 2016, 07:25 PM Post #10 |
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Homosexuality is a sin? Interesting. How can a religion with an impersonal deity and no saviour even have a concept of sin? That is not to say we shouldn't have a moral code at all, but if we accept this world and everything in it as originating from the life giving forces of light, that moral code should be based solely on respecting each and every individual and their choices, as long as they to not trespass on the integrity of others. Who I choose to have sex with is nobodys business, as long as it is consensual. |
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