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Worldwide Atenist Revolution; WAR
Topic Started: Jan 2 2008, 10:29 PM (1,613 Views)
Nakhtpaaten
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Hello I am Nakhtpaaten. I've been an Aten worshipper for most of my life. I first learned about Akhenaten as a child; growing up in a strict Christian environment. I will tell you, I learned to hate Christianity for I went through growing up. I suffered much. Christianity is a farce as is all other so-called mainstream religions. Most of the world's problems are based on false religion. Most atrocities committed were done in the name of false religions. I say there must be a worldwide Atenist revolution to eradicate all other religions and false political dogmas. I am not ashamed to say it. Someone has to say it. If not Meryre then me. Atenism has had no appeal because it has no grand purpose but to spread peace and love; while our enemies continue in their violent ways.

I read on this site concerning the reason's Atenism became extinct and I quote, "One of them is that the religion of Atenism was too rational to appeal to the average people of any time. Another is that Akhenaten himself was too good--and perhaps too farsighted, also--to establish Atenism by means of violence." Also, "The one means by which Akhenaten could have secured Atenism's success as an international creed was violence."

These words I assume come from Meryre himself. Had Akhenaten spread his religion by the power of the sword, we today would all be Atenists and there would have never been any other religion to survive or blossom under such conditions. Today all nations would be as one and there would be peace under an Atenist world government.

Again I make no apologies for the above statements. What we need is a revolution not evangelism. We need to arouse people to action and not be passive in our beliefs. I hope Meryre you take what I say to heart. This may be my only posting to your site, unless I see that my ideas start to hold sway over ever Atenists thinking that join this group.


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Nakhtpaaten
Jan 2 2008, 10:29 PM
Atenism has had no appeal because it has no grand purpose but to spread peace and love; while our enemies continue in their violent ways.

I read on this site concerning the reason's Atenism became extinct and I quote, "One of them is that the religion of Atenism was too rational to appeal to the average people of any time. Another is that Akhenaten himself was too good--and perhaps too farsighted, also--to establish Atenism by means of violence." Also, "The one means by which Akhenaten could have secured Atenism's success as an international creed was violence."

These words I assume come from Meryre himself. Had Akhenaten spread his religion by the power of the sword, we today would all be Atenists and there would have never been any other religion to survive or blossom under such conditions. Today all nations would be as one and there would be peace under an Atenist world government.
Are you suggesting that we should become like the enemy?

You have said one thing that rings true in that there is something lacking in Atenism that doesn't appeal to the masses. Has Meryre been targeting the wrong audience? That is a question that I will ponder deeply; that we should all ponder deeply.

Violence as a final solution? I hope you mean to radicalize Atenism short of actual physical violence. We are not terrorists!

Yet I think a new strategy for spreading Atenism is in order. Didn't Akhenaten try to eradicate the old Amunist religion, short of violence? We should follow by Akhenaten's example.
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Andrew
Jan 2 2008, 11:54 PM
Didn't Akhenaten try to eradicate the old Amunist religion, short of violence? We should follow by Akhenaten's example.
I read somewhere that Akhenaten was an Atheist and that his attempt at the destruction of the old Egyptian religion was a power grab. Atenism was an attempt to concentrate all religious power in his hands and exploit people's superstition that he was a god. Atenism perhaps was the first glimmer of scientific thought in the ancient world. So Atenism could be called Scientific Atheism or maybe Scientific Deism.
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Paula
Jan 3 2008, 07:10 AM
I read somewhere that Akhenaten was an Atheist and that his attempt at the destruction of the old Egyptian religion was a power grab. Atenism was an attempt to concentrate all religious power in his hands and exploit people's superstition that he was a god. Atenism perhaps was the first glimmer of scientific thought in the ancient world. So Atenism could be called Scientific Atheism or maybe Scientific Deism.
I don't think Akhenaten was an Atheist. He was either a Theist who believes in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism). Or he may have been a Deist which is the belief that God has created the universe but remains apart from it and permits his creation to administer itself through natural laws. Deism thus rejects the supernatural aspects of religion, such as belief in revelation in the Bible, and stresses the importance of ethical conduct. In Akhenaten's Hymn To Aten it is said, "No one knows you except your son (Akhenaten)...you have made him to understand your plans and your power." There is no divine revelation here. The hymn insinuates Akhenaten was born with the wisdom to understand Aten's plan and power and no one else; no divine revelation. So Akhenaten was probably a Solar Deist; he worshipped the "energy within the disk"; the disk being Aten. This life giving "energy within the disk" was Akhenaten's God, which is a universal life energy that bind us to "Aten" which we now use as the proper name for the "energy within the disk". In fact the Sun is a ball of energy, like every star in the heavens. We can perhaps distinguish "life energy" with Aten as opposed to inert "lifeless energy" bound in matter that is not biological. All biological matter comes froms the Suns energy, which is captured by plants and converted as food for all life forms.
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I would have to say that something is missing, or some step is not being taken. I don't think violence is the way (or some of the more violent doomsday cults would be much more popular), but more must be done. One step would be to go out and put up flyers around were we live, and hold meetings for people to learn more about Atenism. The internet is a good place for us to meet and learn from one another, but action must be taken out in the real world.
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Nakhtpaaten
Jan 2 2008, 10:29 PM
Hello I am Nakhtpaaten. I've been an Aten worshipper for most of my life. I first learned about Akhenaten as a child; growing up in a strict Christian environment. I will tell you, I learned to hate Christianity for I went through growing up. I suffered much. Christianity is a farce as is all other so-called mainstream religions. Most of the world's problems are based on false religion. Most atrocities committed were done in the name of false religions. I say there must be a worldwide Atenist revolution to eradicate all other religions and false political dogmas. I am not ashamed to say it. Someone has to say it. If not Meryre then me. Atenism has had no appeal because it has no grand purpose but to spread peace and love; while our enemies continue in their violent ways.

I read on this site concerning the reason's Atenism became extinct and I quote, "One of them is that the religion of Atenism was too rational to appeal to the average people of any time. Another is that Akhenaten himself was too good--and perhaps too farsighted, also--to establish Atenism by means of violence." Also, "The one means by which Akhenaten could have secured Atenism's success as an international creed was violence."

These words I assume come from Meryre himself. Had Akhenaten spread his religion by the power of the sword, we today would all be Atenists and there would have never been any other religion to survive or blossom under such conditions. Today all nations would be as one and there would be peace under an Atenist world government.

Again I make no apologies for the above statements. What we need is a revolution not evangelism. We need to arouse people to action and not be passive in our beliefs. I hope Meryre you take what I say to heart. This may be my only posting to your site, unless I see that my ideas start to hold sway over ever Atenists thinking that join this group.


First off, "One of them is that the religion of Atenism was too rational to appeal to the average people of any time. Another is that Akhenaten himself was too good--and perhaps too farsighted, also--to establish Atenism by means of violence." is a quote from Savitri Devi Mukherji's book "A Son of God."
Secondly, I came from a strict Christian background as well and spend most of my childhood years being fed day and night religious propaganda. I hate Christianity and all organized religions for all the wars and genocide and destruction of culture they have caused. But what you are advocating is no different from any of them, in fact it is worse. You are trying to advocate for a pure, un-corrupted religion that has an amazing potential, taking it to the depths of what the Crusaders did and what ISIS is trying to do, "eradicate other false religions" and put the rest of the world under the thumb of your beliefs, you are willing to kill for them. ISIS believes that there would be peace under a Caliphate, the Christians (like my parents) believe that if everyone believed in Jesus there would be world peace... and the list goes on.
You are not advocating anything different than what the religions you hate are.
And this is sad (but not surprising) that even among small movements like Atenism there are radicals advocating violence, something that is really anathema to Atenism. To spread a religion of peace and love, you DO NOT go out on a crusade and kill infidels, otherwise you are not advocating for a religion of peace and love, you are advocating for a religion of war and violence.
You cannot pretend you are a member of that religion if you don't follow its teachings, especially if you want to use the same methods as the "enemy."
It makes me so sad that so many people think this way, that people would rather enforce their version of truth instead of allowing the truth to find each individual and make their lives have more meaning to them.
Ankenaton may not have thousands and thousands of followers now doesn't mean we must convert them by the sword and resort to terrorism, violating his teachings to have followers. Religion is not about having masses of followers or oppressing our worldview on others. It is about the truth! And about people coming to the realization of the truth through their own volition, not through violence, not through oppression, not through torture, not through murder. The truth is the truth, the truth will prevail, it may take generations, but it will prevail in the end.
Edited by Ankhemmaat, Mar 29 2016, 10:17 AM.
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Paula
Jan 3 2008, 07:10 AM
Andrew
Jan 2 2008, 11:54 PM
Didn't Akhenaten try to eradicate the old Amunist religion, short of violence? We should follow by Akhenaten's example.
I read somewhere that Akhenaten was an Atheist and that his attempt at the destruction of the old Egyptian religion was a power grab. Atenism was an attempt to concentrate all religious power in his hands and exploit people's superstition that he was a god. Atenism perhaps was the first glimmer of scientific thought in the ancient world. So Atenism could be called Scientific Atheism or maybe Scientific Deism.
Atenism quite clearly has a deity in the center of its religion to be worshiped, therefore Ankenaton was not an Atheist. Nor did Ankenaton claim he was god, he claimed he was the son of god, but every Pharaoh was taught to believe that.
The concept of "self" as a singular and coherent entity is a fictional construct, and an individual rather comprises conflicting tensions and knowledge claims (e.g. gender, class, profession, etc). The interpretation of meaning of a text is therefore dependent on a reader's own personal concept of self.
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Atenism is very simple. The "sun disk" is the source of life on earth, and thus the true creator, but since there is also a spiritual element to the conception of the deity Aten, then it can be claimed that the spiritual "God" of Aten's spirit is the true organizer of life on earth. At any rate, since Aten is always there, as reliable as the sun's light, people take for granted that their sins are ALL forgiven, and that there is the possibility of an Afterlife since Pharaoh Akhenaten also postulated the existence of the human soul. That clearly defines Atenism as a religion and NOT as atheism. Atenism is NOT Atheism, clearly. However, the consistent application of doubt against the mythological and nonsensical claims of false-religion (such as Akhenaten's rejection of Amunism) defines Atenism.

The Aten is God.
There are no others.
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A Prayer for Truth, Love and Peace

"O Great Aten, shower forth thy truth into the minds of the discerning such that the truth shall rise to preeminence and the untruths shall fall into obscurity. We seek after thy will and happiness. We shower the world with unconditional love which is according to thy will and pleasure. We hallow and revere thy story, glory and majesty, forever and ever. So mote shall it be."
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